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First, isn't this is PC Enthusiast Website? Notice the lack of Mac or Apple Enthusiast. You people with your arrogant attitudes who think the Mac is better because you paid more bash the PC and then want to be part of a PC forum.

For your question of if there are any good things about apple, the answer is yes. They are good for basic internet browsing. That’s it. Any advanced picture editing, video, sound, or other can be done on a PC... for less $$$.

I run Vista, I have no problems that I can blame on Microsoft. Just because you don’t know how to use it or work your computer does not mean that it is Microsoft’s fault that you have a handicap. Not only is it stable and I find it fast (not as fast as XP, but then again... all these arguments happened about XP vs. 2000). Then again, it is fast with my Q6600, 4GB of RAM, and 8800GTX. When was the last time you went to a hardware store and bought a random part for your Mac... and it just worked?

As a Mac owner, that does not bring any more real facts than me not being a Mac owner. That statement alone proved my point that most or all (me included, just not about Apple) are arrogant pampas asses. How can you bring the real truth.... when you have no idea what... it... is? So, yes, you are wrong. And because you have no words for it, you wrote your dissertation about how you are an Apple fanboy, which is the worst type of fanboy.

I own a Macbook, there is no positive side. It is hard to use, confusing, and locks up at random while using Safari. I paid to much for, have no real performance over my PC, can connect to less devices than my PC, not to mention had to go to a Apple store to get it. Have you tried to go into one of those places? They are filled with people that are bubbly and are uneducated about... ANYTHING! The sales person was trying to show off how much an Apple can load up with only a gig of RAM. It used all of it, then about 3 Gigs of virtual ram. When he asked me if my PC could do that, I said yeah... but faster... without using any virtually ram... while listening to music as well. If you don't own a Apple product or Mac, then why are you bytching about not having a topic here? There are lots of apple forums out there, just get ready to get censored.

SECURITY FEATURE!!!! HAVE YOU NOT READ ANY OF THE PROBLEMS WITH LEOPARD!!! LEOPARD HAS MORE SECURITY OR OS ISSUES A DAY THAN XP AND VISTA COMBINED!!!! (Maximum PC article) There are security issues with Mac's, they are just not as apparent because there are not nearly the same amount of users as there are of PC users. As the amount of users grow for Mac, then more viruses there will be and you will start to see some more malware. They are not perfectly protected against these, there is just no reason to make them right now. Not enough Mac users. Apple's security comes from the lack of support.

This site is negative on Macs and Apples because this is a PC enthusiast site. Not Mac or Apple enthusiast, but PC!

You are a fanboy for Apple/Mac/Steve Jobs because you don't own one, but you are acting like they are better. I own one and I will still admit that the PC is better, Vista is better.

Once again, PC enthusiast forum. I strongly am against this site catering to Apple or having any such forum here. We look at both Apple and PC's from time to time and criticize both. We are going to be slightly biased for the PC already, but many a time we can not justify a Mac. Just get used to it, join an Apple forum if you want to talk to... pro apple people.

So can that "game" run on my Macbook pro? Can my Mac run Crysis, Oblivion, Guild Wars, Need for Speed Carbon, Juiced, Need for Speed Underground, X-3 Reunion, Doom3, or other large games the day of release? For some of the games that I have listed you, you can play. But you had to wait at least a year of so for it. Not to mention, what happens if I want to run AMD or ATi products? What if they offer a better product? Why are you limited to only Intel and Nvidia? Where are your options? What is the part of customizing the computer to be yours? Where is the challenge? Where is the fun? Where is the ability to save money? I got a student discount on the base model that made is less of a hassle to buy it, but it is still an overpriced Web surfing only device. That’s all they are good for! If you want to argue with me, please give me a program that you can use on a Mac that does not have a PC counterpart. Its also funny how Mac OSX boots slower then XP when you install XP on a Mac. Good stuff!

I own a Mac, and I have to say, you are really are arrogant saying that on this PC Enthusiast forum we have to talk about Apple. Why don’t you go to Apple and tell them they need to send commercial out with the Mac vs. PC line about how PC is better. Have PC come out and say want to play this brand new game? Wait, you can’t. Never mind. Or talk about how it is easy to upgrade, software or hardware, as long as you know what you are doing. Or have PC talk about how his security actually can work in practice and not theory, for it gets proven every day! What about Macs new ability to be able to retrieve things you delete, while PC has been doing this since... DOS!

Ok, take a deep breath... Just please realize that this is a PC forum. My rant is over. I will submitting this dissertation to Temple!



***Thank you for pointing out any missed spelt or wrong words. I got flustered and just had to post it!

rant. rant is over.

to speak or say something in a very loud, aggressive, or bombastic way, usually at length and repetitively

This is a hardware forum. You can't build a Mac from scratch legally.
Only some upgrades are allowed.
There are better places for Mac owners than this.
If Apple opens up on hardware, I'm sure more people would be interested and Tom's would have more posts about Macs.
Until then, I would choose another site, if my main interest is in Macs.

Thats the newest. I was refering to the last time I saw a review of Apples Mac Pros. The base model of the Mac Pro was $2500 and came with a 7300GT. It made me go "Whoopie". The new ones do have 8 cores and according to Grimmy post come with a HD2600XT? Dear God why do they use old hardware?

Sure they will update the Mac Pros every year or so but still for what you pay, in the desktop arena anyways, you get relatively little.

Are people still posting here?

Spaztic 7 said everything I was going to say. The thing I will point out is the recent articles I've seen on Tom's about Apple is the things Apple CENSORED from their own forums!

Really?

Hey Grimmy, look at this:

Specifications

Two 3.2GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon (8-core)
4GB (4 x 1GB)
1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
2 x ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256MB
One 16x SuperDrive
Apple Mighty Mouse
Apple Keyboard (English) + Mac OS X

Total: $7,099.00

Its like buying an Alien Ware. Man with that amount of money I could build almost 3 PCs with QX9650s, sell 2 for more than I paid for parts and make money. And still have a better machine in the end than this.

Yes, thank you for that! I completely missed that! That also pointed out exactly what I was doing!



physx7:

Yes, they are censoring their own forums.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/apple- [...] -1020.html

Yea. It was when Apple's Monitors were failing on those ones where the monitor and PC are the same thing and on some that came with the Mac Pro. They decided to skip the responsability portion and ignore it.

Ahh man... the mighty mouse is included in that package? Swwweeeeeet!! I can't wait to win the lottery, so I can waste some cash.

Touch-sensitive top shell
It looks and feels like a sleek one-button mouse, but Mighty Mouse's smooth top shell hides a powerful secret: touch-sensitive technology under the shell detects which part of the mouse you're clicking, so you can both left-click and right-click. And if you prefer the simplicity of a classic one-button mouse, Mighty Mouse is up to the task. Just use the Mac OS X system preference pane to configure it how you want.

They've finally got with the times at least and developed a two button mouse. I think this puts them squarely at 1997. Good for them.

^ MIGHTY MOUSE MIGHTY MOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!

Does everything a normal mouse does but with a cool name by APPLE!!!!!!!!!

*Disclaimer*
Mighty Mouse will not cook, clean or do your homework

Word! It takes a lot of research or actual experience to compare vastly different products.

For example, many here are complaining about hardware compatibility. While it is valid to say that random DDR2 sticks laying around have a higher risk of being incompatible in a Mac, the price of Mac-compatible DDR2 is hardly more than regular DDR2 without compatibility assurance... dirt cheap either way now.

Someone was complaining about the expensive Apple LCDs ($500+ vs. $200 for 19" comes to mind). They forgot to mention quality and usability differences. One of the ~$500 Apple LCDs is one of few S-IPS LCD panels in that low a price range. The $200 generic LCDs change color when you look at them from a higher or lower angle and darken/show uneven brightness when viewed from the sides... all TN panels do that. S-IPS doesn't do that. That ~$500 LCD is being used with a PC system at work for quality reasons, and it's fully compatible. That's not to mention that the LCD has active USB and Firewire ports, making it unnecessary to fit a beige box or hubs right next to the monitor for peripheral device accessibility. That might come handy when your computer is on the floor above or behind a drywall separator!

This is a hardware enthusiast site, and Apple sells hardware. If there is demand, I'm sure a Mac forum would spring up.

This specifically is the CPU forum, though, and Apple doesn't actually make CPUs or many core PC components. They do design a lot of very cool enthusiast-class hardware and then release it widely. See that Mighty Mouse up there? It's like engineering a laptop trackpad onto the mouse surface. They haven't just made an ordinary two-button mouse; not only aren't there fixed separations between the buttons, but the possibilities open up to customize button quantity and placement/shape, or to make dynamic buttons (e.g., scrollwheels). As I don't own one of those, I don't know how well the architecture is refined. I believe the design prevents both left and right buttons from activating at the same time, though ideally they could program it just to recognize functional combinations such as scroll-selecting on a wheelmouse.

MIGHTY MOUSE

Mis-ter Trou-ble ne-ver hangs a-round
When he hears this Mi-ghty sound
Here I come to SAVE THE DAY
That means that Mighty Mouse is on his way
Yes-sir when there is wrong to right
Mi-ghty Mouse will join the fight
On the sea or on the land
he's got the sit-u-a-tion well in hand.