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How about DRM DRM DRM. Enough said. If you like it, then use it. It offers me nothing but bloat. I did use RC1 and it ran fine, the little I used it. I don't buy OEM PCs so I don't have to worry about them foisting Vista on me. Since it offers nothing at all over XP and does have plenty of negatives, then I choose not to use it. If you really want to understand Vista then see this video, it explains it all in great detail. Make sure you watch it to the end.

Important Vista Information

And you think windows 7 won't have DRM? Think again.

Funny that the only real complaint your video puts forward about Vista is that it crashes a lot. XP crashes MUCH more often then Vista. If a driver messes up in XP it's a BSOD and automatic restart. In Vista if a driver fails Windows gives a nice little message basically saying "Please wait while we fix this driver issue" and you don't have to worry about losing data. I've had beta video drivers crash durring gameplay and all I see is a momentary pause in gameplay follow by a "Vista recovered from a video driver error. Also I never noticed the absence of messenger from Vista until I watched that video. I went on a search in my start menu and I'll I could find is a link to a download for. It's actually not even installed, unlike XP which includes it on initial install. And I would take windows defender over the biggest piece of bloatware ever created - Norton AV! Seriously I haven't ever run AV or AS software. Really unless your a moron who clicks on links like a turets patient Windows Defender is more then enough and takes up far less system resources then Norton. As a member of the Geek Squad this was something we really hated since our #1 service was to sell Anti Virus and Anti Spyware setups on new PCs. When Vista came we had to still try and sell it despite knowing it was completely unnecessary.

So thanks for that informative video. It actually helped point out advantages that Vista has.
1. Better error handling and fewer crashes
2. No more mandatory MS Messanger!!!
3. Don't need AV and AS software that does more to slow down you system then it does to actually protect anything.

It was a joke. Get it? I can't believe you analyzed it. Although, truth in humor.

Defender is better than antivirus? Are you kidding? That is exactly why I would never ever ever go to the Geek Squad for advice. And now you understand the joke about the Geek Squad, you gave me the punch line. I will agree Norton is crap, but I bet the Geek Squad recommends it all the time, or do you guys recommend Mcaffee, worse crap. Have you ever looked into alternative Antivirus software? Maybe you could try AVG. It is free for personal use, has a small footprint, and works quite well. There are several other excellent free antivirus programs as well.

I never said that. I can guaranty their will be DRM in the next abomination that is released. Unless maybe MS will understand the error of their ways.....Nah, it will never happen. Oh, don't forget trusted computing which goes hand in hand with DRM and more. It is certainly here to stay as well. Say hello to big brother.

You can choose to lay down and accept all of this as a done deal. I choose to revel in the fact that MS is eating a little sh.. trying to get Vista accepted. Maybe if it flops they will think twice...Nah.

They will get my copy of XP when they pry it from my cold dead fingers. Nothing that anyone can say about the merits of Vista will change my mind.

Free AVG, are you kidding? That POS has made a ton of money for Best Buy/Geek Squad. 90% of the people who come in for Virus/Spyware removal are either using AVG (free not pro) or nothing. I'm not sure which is worse. We ALWAYS recommended Trend Micro AV as far as AV software that we sold (obviously BB is not going to recommend something it doesn't sell). Near the end of the time I was working there we started to carry Kasperspky and there was a big push to make to start recommending that. The only draw back to that was that it was difficult to keep in stock and was a little more expensive then the software we bundled with various services. As far as Norton and McAfee even us unfortunate souls at Geek Squad know how much they suck. We'd even tell their sales reps that when they came in. They usually agreed with us. Anyways like I said I never use any of that crap anyways. Isn't that one of the great touts of Linux/Mac users - that they don't need it? With XP I would run into an occasional problem and would have to clean up. But between Defender and IE7 I've yet to have a single issue and with no noticeable foot print. I didn't even release that I had defender on for a while. I've turned it off for benchmarking and like Windows Sider bar there's no difference on or off.

Zorg I loved your video.
One would think that with all the anti-GS/BB stuff on this forum that the rodent would not be thumping the chest like Joe Young. Oh well it's all overhead anyways.
Anti virus, I like Avast, used to use panda, but they just kept going up in price.
My ISP gives me CA's security suite, I use it on a few computers.
Firefox is the only browser to use, it just is.
I notice that many people just don't know the difference between then and than, interesting.

Gotta love the the personal attacks from the guy with the screen name BBKNIGHT, one of the biggest scum bags in US sports. Might as well just call yourself JOHNROCKER. If that's your real name I'm sorry but I'd seriously consider getting it legally changed just to avoid any confusion.

what are you a mind reader?, no where in his post does he refer to purplerat... my avatar looks more like a "clown" than a purplerat.... so what reference are you using to achieve such psychic intuition?

all this could have been avoided if when you say you are going to leave a thread, just leave it without saying anything.... otherwise what is the point?

Hey bobbknight, since this is all way over my head maybe you can fill me in on how we're all supposed to think in online forum land (or at least pretend to think to avoid ridicule).

Is it ok to hate Vista but still like XP? or do we have to hate anything MS?

Is any comercial software acceptable, or should we only claim alligence to open source?

Which CPU manufacture is ok to like this year, AMD or INTEL?

Is it ever acceptable to us a GeForce 8600? What about *gasp* aa 8500 or 8400?

I use an cheap Ultra PSU, am I going straight to hell?

I play EA Sports games, does that automaticly revoke my gamer identity?

I drive a domestic car ... oh wait that's another forum.

Vista SCREAMS on 64-bit with 8 GB of RAM!!!

Hell, I had three virtual machines (OSX, Server 2003, Ubuntu) running at the same time with Windows Media Center recording a show and playing Dawn of War: Dark Crusade without any lag whatsoever.

Startup time in the beginning was ultra-fast. Of course that gets slower when you start installing apps and filling up your boot drive.

OTOH, Vista 32-bit is VERY slow compared to XP. I personally wouldn't run Vista using anything less than 2 GB of RAM. 4 GB is ideal.

Totally hear you there killer. Just for fun I made a video of doing something similar to what you described, albiet on a kind of crappy system. here's a link.
http://www.purplerat.net/?center=vista_doesnt_suck.php It gets a little choppy, but only when recording with fraps. I haven't gotten around to doing the same on my main system.

Oh totally!!!!!

I bought Vista for the purpose of DX10 like it was going to be impressive, and now all I want to do is tie this disk to a rock, and throw it through the window of Microsoft HQ.