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You picked that up did you?

Yeah Kyle, et al have been questionable since he went crazy go nuts about rumours about cards. The thing is that like another notorious site, when they make errors they always seem to favour one side of the equation, and then later when it's pointed out they say 'oops typo'. The last time they did the HD3870 review the apples to apples issue came up again because they fudged the graphs;

http://www.hardforum.com/showpost. [...] stcount=64

To me playability is all well and good, but when they run their comparison with the low settings they use for Oblivion turning off all the grass and such, it just makes it more obvious that subjective 'playable' reviews do a poor job of giving an overall picture.

Why even bother with playable when you have a hystogram that can easily show dips and play issues... as long as you don't monkey with the graphs of course.

It's funny that [H] had to pre-mention that their graphs would be way off others because people would question this "playability apples to cookie" method of theirs.

Quickly looking at it for the first time, I notice this;

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/arti [...] VzaWFzdA==

and ask why does [H] compare 8X ADSS AA to TRMS CSAA, which is SuperSampling versus Coverage MultiSampleAA, when other reviews show that to even match MSAA the G80needs to runs at 8X Q not CSAA or else there are IQ differences because the CSAA does less work and produces less of a picture. They should've used at least TASS to keep the methods similar. Yet in the 'differences' area they say no difference, which even goes against their own previous investigations into the IQ differences between the two. Once again makes you question credibility oh randomly picking settings, especially if they aren't equal.

There was a time wehn playing with the settings to avoid floptimizations made sense and they did both apples to apples alongside best playable, now there is few apples to apples and the playable settings are questionable like the Oblivion settings where now the settings are floptimized.
So if you can't even keep those consistent even with previous reviews, what's the point?

Both are st00pid, but nothing beats having 3 different versions of the the GF8800GTS core, with various variants under that further still.

That was the crown as dumbest naming scheme sofar, and that even beats the Volari V8 Duo.

How is this 'becoming', that's the way it has been since the nvidia FX issues where games were being optimized and floptimized for one card or the other. At least that generation people knew the best even if they didn't think it would matter immediately (so short term both were worth options depending on titles).

Fastest card between the X800 and GF6800 without a doubt was the X800, however if you wanted to get some features not available on the X800 then you needed the G6800, so as far as back then there was the same pick-chose the games issue. Then came the GF7800/X1800 and initially it was pretty simple, until the X1900 came about and then suddenly there was a 'shader heavy / texture heavy' choice.

So really that same 'chose for the games you like' issue has been around for a while, and not only for the high end, so don't understand your complaint as being something new.

IMO, no definitely not.

Even best case scenario there won't be a huge boost, when we talk about 10-15% it's not going to be very noticeable or IMO even worth the effort of switching out.

I'd say the same about a GF8800UltraPlus if they added 75Mhz on the core and memory.

Wait for something really worth upgrading to, which IMO this isn't, in the meantime save your money and buy more games/beer/movies/beer/music/beer/uhmmmm/beer.

9800GTX new finally out!!

http://getclippings.com/image.php?id=783802

Sarcastic A%&!..LOL

If i were looking right now to buy a new Graphics card the 3870X2 would be my choice..why you ask? Well when my MSI 8800GT came out i paid 333$ for it including taxes and shipping. Now for about 100 more dollars i could have gotten waaay more performance almost 50% more! for 25% more cash!

Makes me wish i would have waited but im very pleased with this card.

Its good to see ATI doing good these days.

I don't think I've ever seen benchmarks so incredibly dynamic than in this recent article. Sure, we've seen flip flops per game in other benchmarks, but there's generally one clear victor. At a 7% margin (and again, that's based off of which tests you're going by because @ 1680 the Ultra wins w/eyecandy and is w/in .6 FPS w/out, which is well under 7%), taking away even one game out of the 9 would drastically change the numbers. For instance, as the argument has been made time and time again... if you only look at Crysis benchies, I don't think anyone would take the x2 On the other hand, if supreme commander is your thing, it would be pretty foolish to pick the Ultra.

Game politics aside (which developer is in which camp's pocket), I'd rather have a card that supports my game of choice. Last year, that card was the 8800GTX for any game. Now it's either or depending on the game.

But for anyone who actually wants to upgrade from a 8800GTX/ultra to this card, you should check your mouth for ATI's balls.

It's good to know yours are already firmly entrenched in nVidia's.

I think the GX2 will be competitive in price to the 3870x2. Having two G92s in SLI on the GX2 would probably be close to an 8800GT SLI setup so I would assume that it would also fall in the $450 range. Also several other websites were speculating this price.

Also with the current 8800GTX and Ultra I don't think they'll be dropping much more in price. There probably isn't any profitability left in these cards at the price in which there being sold for now. The lowest price on a GTX that I found on Newegg was for $419 and XFX has theres for $400 after $50 MIR. But this just means that the market is ready for a new line of Nvidia cards, maybe G100? Remember how much the 7800GTX was going for even just a few months ago.

good post man

I like your reasoning again in your last 3 posts... " Hugs big furry ape"

Last card before my 8800GTX was a Radeon 9800proSE.

I'm sorry that I go for whatever the best card for my budget is at the time of purchase. Guess that makes me a fanboy.