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At the moment it seems nvidia have a mess in their lineup but i think they will clear the situation soon.It is already known they have a new 8800 GTS sku that will probably position the card again above the GT.So they will solve one problem.The other one is going to be the GTX.If the new GTS is faster than the GT then it will be very very close to the GTX if not better.So maybe they will have a GTX revision ready to ship as well that will clear their lineup.Thats my guess from what i read .I have a GTS 640 for almost a year and i really like the SLI 8800GT idea.But i will wait a month or so to see whats new.

Don't count on a replacement for the GTX anytime soon. And I doubt the new GTS will arrive until something challenges the GTX/Ultra for top spot, or they start making more G92s than the GT sells on its own.

Right now they're in their perfect position to move old G80s and have unmet demand for the G92. Once that changes, then we'll likely see the splash of new SKUs.

Demand for the 8800GT is already high but from what they say they have the new GTS SKU ready.And if they have to move old G80 they sure have to set the price below that of the GT since noone seems to want them anymore.I believe if the price of a GTX fall at around 400 Euro (its around 500 now) that would be an indication of something new coming right after they get rid most of old GTs/GTX.Then it would be a good time to buy a GTX.
Still , the problem with games goes on.We`ll buy Crysis now and play it next year

OMG I picked one up at Wal*Mart today. OMG my iconsch look totally schweet. OMG schuper cool. Windows vista experiensche is totally schweet. People are going apesh*t over this card. I think a few more months time will yeild a much nicer gem...

Agreed, with the steps currently taken, nvidia will be fattening their pockets even further. We can all hope for a high end soon. But the biggest fact to keep in mind is the performance of the 8800 GT. We all know how demanding Crysis is...Considering the price performance ratio for the 8800 GT, it was the perfect solution. Unless the R670 can put a dent into the 8800 GT's sales and offer better performance, I don't see much happening in terms of a new high end. Interesting though how well the 8800 GT suits most users...IMO the perfect release to coincide with crysis considering how demanding the game is. If nvidia didn't launch the 8800 GT...There would be a lot of unhappy customers brewing from Crysis buyers.

I'm curious to see some benchmarks for a new GTS based on this 65nm process/architecture.. But for the moment, considering the market, I doubt a new high end will arise within this year. Probably late q1 or early/mid Q2...But we'll have to see how everything unfolds with the r670 till then.

Honestly though..I might nab two of these 8800 GT's for my next rig. Considering the price, it should be definitely worth it. This is indeed rare though, I'm normally against SLI unless you use 1920 or higher resolutions...But considering two GT's turn out to be roughly the same price as a GTX...It should be more beneficial to nab two 8800 GT's. But I'd have to look at a more detailed review to see if it's worth it. Especially considering I'm going to be on a FW900 Sony monitor (<3 CRT). Won't be forced to high resolutions, so it might be worth it to nab a GTX instead depending on my gaming resolution. I will either use a 1680 based res or 1920...all depends on the game choices though. Guess my timeframe is in my favor, no rush to buy. Which IMO is the best factor...Never a good thing to rush into hardware uninformed...

I undersatnd that, you miss my point, about the GT and GTX. Having it ready doesn't mean it's strategically beneficial to launch it right now.

you obviously don't know the market, those that wanted the GTX before, still want it, because it's still top dog compared to the GT. Which is why you don't put the GTS in to simply get less money and leave yourself and your OEM partners with a warehouse full of G80s.

What like buying a GTS-320 last week for $240 would've been?
Nah, when they drop the price of the GTX dramatically it's not the time to buy a GTX, it's the time to get ready for a replacement.

I don't know why someone would do that. I'll buy Crysis now and play it now on my Mobile HD2600. What's the point in waiting? I don't need to make myself feel better by saying I can only play at ultra-high settings, that's what replayability is for.
That would be like only now taking the shrink wrap off Oblivion or Fear, why wait?

People complaining about performance forget the point behind gaming, PLAYING THE GAME. Who cares if you can't run Uber-Ultra, if they had the option of DX11 and Ray-tracing built into the game, but your PC only played it at 2 fps, would that mean you needed to wait for 2 years to play it? Nah, you play it at max you can now, then again when you activate alot more features. It's not like they're charging you for the DX9 version, then selling you a DX10 patch, and then selling a DX10+ patch, you get it all at the start for the same price, just don't expect it to all be playable and consider it like "unlockable content", that you can see now, but that you can't unlock playability/performance until new hardware arrives.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I am under the impression that you have to buy the card directly from EVGA in order to use the step-up program. Buying from a vendor like NCIXUS, NewEgg, Mwave, etc. usually yields a lower purchase price but no access to the step-up program.

That's false. Just buy the card and make sure you register your product. Once you do you are under the step up program/lifetime warranty.

I agree, and most would be G8600/HD2600 or GF8800GTS-320 users IMO.
I think it's a perfectly timed launch (kinda helps being an EA partner for the launch in this case for timing, not necessarily for performance).

[quote]But for the moment, considering the market, I doubt a new high end will arise within this year. Probably late q1 or early/mid Q2...But we'll have to see how everything unfolds with the r670 till then. [.quote]

Yeah I don't think there will be a new 'high end' this year, but I woud say that there is likely to be two more launches this year just before Xmas, and those will likely be the GTS replacement and the RV680. both of those will likely challenge and probably beat the current GTX/Ultra performance, but neither of which I would consider to be their 'high end replacement' where we usually expect to see 20-50% improvement on the past model. I expect both companies to introduce SLi / Xfire dual-chip one bord solutions for that, which is similar to how you're considering the current GTs.
It sounds like both nV and AMD are trying to ride out this generatoin until they go to the R700/G100, or at least that's the vibe I get with so little information coming out about anything else.

Indeed. It'd be nice to see the new GTS benchmark wise. They should surpass the GTX/Ultra as you stated quite easily. It's somewhat mystifying when you consider how much profit Nvidia has pulled in with the g80 series. Now, the g92 will take that a step further. Heck, the 8800 GT is selling out quickly. To think they will release a GTS refresh as well is even more mind boggling. When being able to comprehend the immense performance gains in the 8800 GT, wonder how the refresh of the GTS will push that further. I have to admit a very clever strategy in terms of Nvidia's release strategy..Release a 250 dollar product with a immense price/performance ratio...Then shortly after the GTS refresh..Which will take that even one step farther. Without a doubt it will surpass the GTX/Ultra (Seems like it will considering the 8800 GT's performance). Once again, a cheaper solution then the GTX, as well to drive the market into a frenzy. Then down the line, a new high end derived from the g80/90 architecture. Damn exciting...

I really do hope AMD/ATI has a great performer on their hands. It'll just drive the competition further and speed up the release of the GTS refresh. When you consider the current scenario, You'd have to call the GTS refresh a "8900/8950" when you break it down... Quite an exciting time ^_^...Let's hope AMD can push the envelope as well in order for nvidia to release their big guns quicker. The faster we can get better hardware, the more enjoyment we'll get from crysis ^_^. Personally I'm one of those individuals who is going to skip crysis till I have a rig capable of running it with some high settings (3.2 prescott and x700 pro doesn't cut it >_< ). The realism and eye candy is immense from low, mid, high, and very high settings from what I've seen. So going to hold out to experience the full picture at once.

That's good to hear. I read some bad information somewhere and was actually considering ordering my new card directly from EVGA and paying a bit more money than other online retailers. Thanks!

I wonder what the XFX Fata1ty series of this card is gonna be clocked at...I mean EVGA already has it at 700mhz. My guess would be 750mhz+ since the Fata1ty version of the 8800GTS was 650mhz, a 150mhz increase. That'll beat the GTX alright.

Well, overall a bit short of a review, not enough to quench my thirst. Right now I'm kicking myself for buying a 8800GTS during summer.