Phenom and RD790 in October?

Good news Baron ... did you get a chance to look at the stuff on the cache comparisons in Scott's article?

Various news sites reported that during the 9/10 Barcelona launch AMD officially claimed that Phenoms would be available only in December (while given to reviewers in late November).

what a hater!

wait wait wait. Its always wait unitil this or wait until that. Wait until the r600 comes out. On a side note did anyone see whatt company intel bought. • UPDATE - Intel to buy Irish game software tools firm Havok
at Reuters (Fri 7:30p go to yahoo finance

Oh jesus sounds like intels got gfx,cpu and a ppu coming on the one chip now or just gfx with ppu on board...why else would they buy them?

And you should get a clue.
Everyones is silly every now and then, I think Baron paid his dues when it comes to his "horrible mistake".
Maybe it's time people get over it?

I was more so waiting for DX10 cards that weren't $500 and also for 2x2GB RAM to be reasonably priced. I really didn't want a jet fan, as noise is bad enough now. Hopefully I can swing a lower priced Blackbird with water cooling. No more fans for me.

DING. Even AMD isn't saying it's coming out this early. Is Barcelona even 'actually' out yet? Can you 'actually' order one?

I think, at the earliest, you'll be able to go to NewEgg and buy a Phenom in January, at the earliest. I believe AMD said a Q4 launch, which means they'll announce the product on December 31st.


Don't worry about this thread. It's just more MISINFORMATION, which is what Baron specializes in, misinformation that portrays his favorite company in a good light. I don't understand it, but he cheers for AMD like it's a local sports team or something.


Besides all the FUD out there by Baron, I am excited for Phenom. I don't understand why it's going to take AMD so long to get it out, but it will be welcomed competition in the desktop market. I plan on building a new system in June of 2008. If AMD and Intel are neck in neck in both performance and pricing I will go with AMD (as long as they're not about to bankrupt, I need upgrades).

That's of course your opinion. You should know that a positive spin isn't FUD. Do you really think that they can have any kind of volume if they don't sample final silicon by October? They are only shipping the single socket FX. Truthfully, I'd rather see the Budapest but it's good that they're moving quickly to get quad core out. The biggest clue is the fact the mobos are basically ready. Digitimes reported on the Asus and MSI boards a few weeks ago. AMD has already showed 3GHz. 2.3GHz should be no problem.

I'm not excited about Phenom for AMDs sake. I want an incredible upgrade and this will be it. It'll probably be next year anyway as my lowly 4400+ still does everything I want and pretty fast too.

Beating what? I don't think someone calling someone else a "hater" without knowing what happened was right. I don't care if BM wants a Phenom 4X system. I didn't link to any of the posts, so how was I bringing it back up? I hope BM does get the system he wants. I just don't want to hear about it every other week for the next 3 months or so.

Get a clue? First you call someone pathetic and now you tell me to get a clue? hahaha. Okay.
You can revel in BM's wishes, I'd rather he just buy the thing first, and not do this again.
You want to cuddle up to BM and share the experience of wanting a Phenom CPU, have at it. Then maybe you and him can PM each other about the systems you both want in private, and spare us all the details.

Well, a 3 core CPU might be possible if they can just disable one of the cores from the native quad cores, and sell them as 3 core CPUs. Similar to the Cell processor, where it can still run with 1 or 2 of it's 8 cores disabled.

It can keep the trashed 4 core quads from ending up in the garbage, I suppose.

APM cannot fix problems before the wafer is finished. It can analyze results before the next lots to run through a tool or adjust the process, but once a wafer has been worked on, it's pretty hard to fix it, even through rework, especially if metal layers have been laid down on the wafer. So, to say that APM can fix a problem while a wafer is in process is not true. It can adjust for problems, but once a lot has been processed, it's pretty much done - good or bad.

As for adding a level, that is true, but I still believe it's more a way to salvage unusable 4 core die. It's a much easier way to deal with any single die defect, than throw them in the scrap heap. Either way, it's a smart move to try to sell a 3 core die CPU, than dump them.

Oh and Inq has been posting quite some shady stories lately.
Remember the phenom 3dmark benchmarks?

@BM - X-bit labs has a peek at the newest FSN8 board from Asustek.
The spacing between the CPUs look a bit tight to put in some 3rd party HSFs, imo.

An interesting note was this little tidbit:

Enjoy - X-bits Lab 1st Look

That's why I always say take things with a grain of salt. The Inq reported that the platform was dead a few days ago. Hopefully this means that Asus will release a Phenom BIOS for the original QFX board soon. Of course that means having the dual socket versions. The FX80 single socket is due first, hopefully along with Budapest.

There is already word of Phenom mobos for AM2+.

Well, I take most of the "upcoming" products with a shaker of salt, nowadays. Too many claims of performance boosts on a pin change, or something small. It's crazy.

As for the Inq. report of 4X4's death...yeah, it was a bit pre-mature, but unless Phenom performs and is priced right, it might not be the best setup for most people (of course, early adopters, AMD loyalists, and people with too much money, excluded). I'm just wondering why they still continue to push the Quad SLI/Crossfire thing. Has there been anything to show that it's worth the money to run 4 GPUs?

I understand that you're just relaying what you heard, but it's just pretty hard to rework an entire lot of wafers once they go through certain layers of process. APM or not. I can see APM adjusting for impending lots, but not for lots that have already been processed.

As for AMD's plan during the IDF....I honestly could care less about either. As long as AMD saves its money on skywriters or printing presses, and just shows something unique (I don't know if a 7 hour Puma platform demo would be that fun to see), then it's a wash for both companies. If AMD decides to pull the "let's screw with Intel" routine, it could backfire on them (anyone remember the "Dual Core for Dummies handout?). AMD should just try to push its own wares, and not worry about what Intel has plans for at IDF.

That's fine with me, but it also depends on what BM decides to write himself.

Other than that, I have no issues with people here. But I will call out any FUD, misinformation posted. Not to bash, but to make sure this place is a sort of FUD free zone.

It's not hard for a manufacturer to cherry pick a product and show it off. Ever notice how a Whopper looks like perfection in a commercial but the one you actually get looks like it was thrown together by a high school drop-out (which ironically, it was)?

So AMD cherry picks a processor and runs it at 3ghz. Even AMD is only shooting for 2.5ghz in Q4. Which of course means 2.5 ghz announcement on December 31st and actual product sometime in the end of January/beginning of February.

Baron, don't you get it? AMD, ever since they got blind-sided and butt-whooped by Conroe has created a trend of OVER-PROMISING and UNDER-DELIVERING. That is the AMD way now (AMD used to be the opposite).


If AMD has something for October they would have giggled and gushed about it already by now for their stock's sake.

Don't get me wrong, K10 excites me and I'm glad AMD is back in the game. I just don't have an appreciation for all the fanboys (no offense to you) scrambling to explain why it's not 40% better. Yes, AMD is going to roll out 25% better clocks in the coming months, but face it, Intel is about to roll out a lot of stuff too.

If AMD can make a profit off of the new Barcelona and Phenom, they have a chance. But if they continue to sell at a loss they will become financially insolvent and incapable of getting more money.

I believe you misunderstood my point. I have no doubt that a Phenom cpu, whether its a FX80 or a standard Phenom cpu, will run rings around any X2 series cpu. When I used the example of a FX62 compared to a 6400+, it was meant to show that the FX62 was a high expense cpu that is now beaten by a standard 6400+ cpu, thus making the purchase of a FX62 a waste of money.

In like manner, if AMD releases a FX80 at 2.3 ghz and then releases a standard cpu that runs at 2.5 ghz or higher, then the FX80 would seem like a waste of money. Perhaps it will have an unlocked multiplier, similar to the FX62, but if its overall clockspeed, even with overclocking, can't be raised any higher then that of a later standard cpu, say one running at 3.0 ghz, then what does the FX80 accomplish in real terms? I would rather see the FX80 either coming out at a higher clock speed in the first place, or have the FX designations dropped. I may be wrong in my assumption, but that's the way I see things at the moment.