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forgot to write back deal lmao. im gonna give it a go. just gotta check n see if my fan can sit anyway. i also broke one of the pin bits when putting it in. theyre a real pain in the hole to fit in. it works fine tho!!! i hate those fans.
ive thought about water cooling. my mate got it in, but he said its loud. im just gonna wait until i move out and then ill buy a fish house and oil cool this bad boy 
with the antec 900 its as cold as ice haha
my 2 cents about 6000+ overclocking..
i got inspired by this thread, and tried the limits of my config. 6000+ cpu, gigabyte mobo, kingmax ddr800 ram.
the result: overclocks like crap.
temperature isnt an issue, every bootable config stayed under 55C all the time. according to otheros, its not the cpu either. its the ram that is crap.
i tried upping ht voltage, i tried upping drr voltage, i couldnt go above 210MHz FSB, though even 220 would boot, maybe more, but otheros halted with error after 3 seconds for everything above 210.. one time, i got a BSOD during otheros test.. 
if i would get ddr1066 rams, i guess it would break the barrier.. until then, hello 3GHz.
'bandras' overclocking result lmfao . That Ram looks like it should clock quite high as the 667 version gets to 850 with lose'nd timings. Have you increased the vcore much. A Ram failure tends to, but not always halt on the Boot.
@ smyffalis. Water's really quite good to be honest and it depends on the dB(A) of the fans you get for your rad and the pump/pump mounting. It'll be interesting how the temp results vary. Out of interest could you post them once you've checked your fan fits?
| closed_deal wrote : 'bandras' overclocking result lmfao |
this just in.. downgraded the cpu multiplier to 14, FSB up to 220, RAM running @ 441MHz, CPU running @ 3100MHz, no errors in orthos for 7 minutes, declared stable.. no upped voltages, though cpu-z reports 1.42V vcore (opposed to the 1.35V set in bios..).
Lol - 7 mins stable. But yeah looks like your getting there, must admit those AMD's are difficult to overclock compared to Intel's, but the sense of achievement is a damn sight higher .
As for your verect as opposed to vdroop (guess thats what you'd call it lol). I'm baffled, wouldn't even know how to Google search that in less than 4 words...
You can see what voltage I've used to get it to 3.5ghz so if you want higher be prepared for some warm gaming sessions .
| closed_deal wrote : Yeah the 6000+ doesn't get a great CPU score at all, but at 3.4/3.5ghz it gave a fair old boost to the SM2/SM3 scores. Must give the gfx better breathing space.
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i can imagine, the 3.5GHz is quite an increase..
i tried 3dmark06 again, this time FSB 220MHz, and congrats to me, i just went over 10k (10025 points, to be exact). now thats something.. +50MHz ram, +100MHz cpu = +175 points.
im sorry, thats +70 ram, +100 cpu = +175 points.
(am i the only one seeing the pattern here? )
Now if only you could do that with the std multiplier 
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*Edit* Damn you bandras, gotten me tinkering further now... Just hit a bench stable 4.4Ghz and run 3DMark06 now getting 19248 woot. That last 200Mhz increase = 509 3Dmarks .
Message edited by closed_deal on 08-04-2008 at 11:59:23 PM
Can't see that it won't fit, but it's definitely a good idea to wait till you have some TIM before trying it out .
LAWL to tell ya the truth i once had my vcore at 1.8volts and 3.4 and the putter wouldnt get past xp start page
and im runnin at 3.3 vcore 1.6 and mi temps are cpu 33 degrees and notthbridge 42 degrees
temps probly abit higher in game, but i could bump up mi fan speed
Oh yer and i got a zalman 9700cpu cooler so yeh..... 
tc thnx 4 help and hope 2 hear from ya
stabe az but not ingame!!! 
Nice going fella, but try and lower your HT Link multiplier to x4. Or maybe try CPU multiplier at 14 FSB at 250 (you'll have to either lower your RAM ratio to 2:3 or if you want 1:1 depending on your RAM's quality just loosen the timings from 4-4-4-14 to 5-5-5-15 and increase the voltage to no higher than 0.2V of manufactures recommended specs).
Hope this helps to get her stable and may give you a chance to lower that vcore 
a tad .
LAWL ty
i dnt noe wat ur talkin about ram timings and all
but if it helps i got 2 adata ddr2 800 stix and 2 cheapies i fink are ddr2 667, so would thoze **** rams be able to handle it or sumfing.
In mi bios in the memory clocks and speed bit theres a whole lotta things to change and fiddle with what things am i looking 2 increase/decrease/change
and thnx agen bro u been a real help here
First you'd have to remove the 667 cheapies to get her stable, best not to have a mix in there . When you go into the DRAM Configuration page in the BIOS find the : RAS TO CAS, RAS TO RAS, RAS Precharge and CAS Latency.
Those Adata sticks look rated at CL5, so all of those options want to be at 5 for the time being. Two options:
1. Look at the voltage on your RAM itself and then add 0.1-0.2V to it on the DDR2 RAM voltage, leaving the 'DRAM clock' at DDR2 800. or
2. Leave the voltage at std and lower the 'DDR2 Clock' to the next number below 800.
As for the HT link in your BIOS it's called K8 MCP55 HT Speed. Two options:
1. Set it at 1000Mhz and increase the HT voltage by 0.05v until it a stable Boot.
2. Set it to 800Mhz and leave the voltage at std.
The best way to go about this is to go for option 2 on both of them and get your FSB stable through minor vcore and NB (MCP in your case) voltage increases. This means that whatever's causing the instability can only be the vcore or NB voltage as the RAM and HT are working well within their limits .
Then you can go about getting the RAM to run faster maybe even lowering it to CL4 with a slight voltage increase, once thats stable get the HT link stable .
*EDIT* Forgot to say: Watch the temps, try using 'REAL TEMP v2.70' and a 8hrs small FFT run on 'Orthos' (10 mins for a temp bench, 8hrs for the stability) . 60C is the max you want to see, try keeping it at 55C Loaded.
Message edited by closed_deal on 08-17-2008 at 11:39:51 AM
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OK ill give it all a try and ill post with my results
omg i cant oc 4 **** im so lost
Don't get angry with it, 3.4ghz is a very good overclock to get stable on an AMD CPU. As you can tell in the start of this post it took me weeks to refine it to 3.5Ghz, so take your time read the overclocking guides over and over as I once did (boring and confusing, but persistence prevails in a successful overclock and greater knowledge).
Also take one step at a time, it can take sometimes up to ten times per changed setting to get it correct!!! Changing loads in a one'r doesn't help you to diagnose your problems.
Try to find your CPU's max stable FSB first, remember what your minimum NB and CPU voltages you had to achieve them stably. (Unlink your RAM, lower your HT muliplier and lower your CPU multiplier).
Once you've found the max stable FSB your CPU can take, you know theoretically what you can achieve on the standard 15x CPU multiplier. You may even find you can overclock more on a lower multiplier, as I did .
From here you can slowly work on getting the RAM at DDR 400/DDR2 800 or more. Then you might even be able to set the HT multiplier to it's default multiplier.
Remember that basically :
vcore; affects the speed the CPU's FSB can run at.
NB voltages; affects the Mobo's ability to run higher FSB's and helps stabilize the RAM to the FSB.
HT voltage; allows to a limit, the speed the HT can maintain stability.
RAM voltage; allows the RAM to run at higher speeds with STD timings
or STD speed with tighter timings
Message edited by closed_deal on 08-20-2008 at 01:25:08 PM
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omg.. well i been trying 4 agez now and i rekkon its my moboz overclocking performance thats holding me back
im planin on getten a 780a mobo or a 790i and getten a intel
I have two 3870's in crossfire @ 850/2402. Why go with a 7** mobo are you getting another gfx card for SLI? Otherwise it's probs better to get a good P35 on the cheap or maybe a P45 at a tenner more ...
and i shuda sed b4 but i forgot, my mobo isnt that good 4 ocing the voltages go up in 10s
Woot WOOT i got it all stable after trying all day .
all thanx go to closed_deal u have been a great help and u explained things well.
are ya still planing on getting a phenom?
Well done fella 
your one of the few ! Must be as choked up about it as i was lol 
!
Lets see your CPUZ upload page, a milestone in your overclock experience .
Nah i think Phenom's gunna have to wait for a while, my setup atm is plenty to run my main comp usage (BF2/nrop and many others... 
).
@ the last resort: You've seen the drama justbmagik has gone through to get the 6000+ stable are you willing to take it this far 
, the challenge is there... if you choose to accept it !
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Hello all,
This is my first time overclocking so my goal is a fairly pedestrian 3.2.
I upped the FSB to 216 at stock multiplier X15 for 3.24 GHZ.
Crucial ddr2 6400 ballistix ram at 4-4-4-12 2.2 volt (crucial recommended stock voltage for those timing). CPU/8 = 810 MHZ. Idles at 31-32c max at 43c playing a few old games. Vcore is at stock (1.35)
I would like to know if any of this seems like a bad idea, as I have no experience. Also what programs should use to better check stability?
Thanks in advance and great work on all of the overclocks above me. (Maybe someday, I will try to push that far.)
Message edited by deathbringer on 09-07-2008 at 04:59:57 AM
No Probs, and good luck in your future overclocking !
The best place to start, i find is to find out what your maximums are ie.
Maximum motherboard FSB before and after NorthBridge voltage increases.
Maximum RAM frequency at desired timings, before and after RAM voltage increases.
Maximum Stable HT Frequency before and after HT voltage inceases.
Then you get a good idea about what limits your CPU's frequency increasing. For example: you get a Prime95 failure.
Your maximum mobo FSB after voltage increase is 260,
Maximum RAM at C4 is 840 with voltage increase, 820 without.
Max HT is 1200 with voltage increase. 1000 without.
Scenario 1 ;
Your at 215 FSB on the CPU with 1.5vcore with everything else set to auto.
Snag 1: 215 times 4 = 860... so you either need to loosen the timings slightly or change the CPU:RAM strap/ratio.
Sang 2: 215 times 5 = 1075... so you need to increase your HT voltage or lower the HT multiplier to 4.
Hmmm.. i was going to go through a few more scenario's, but tbh from just that one you can get a fairly whole idea how the fault finding goes about. If the CPU FSB is within all your other limits you require more vcore. If it's outside any of those limits you have to change the relevant one accordingly. Dead simple in theory, though it takes time and practice to understand and get a 'feeling' on whats causing the boot failures or prime95 failures.
Always be weary of your temps, not just your CPU, but your mobo and possibly your RAM.
Never go more than 0.2 volts over manufacturers rating with RAM, it very rarely helps with further stability!!
Personally my views on vcore are, If your cooler can keep it within limits it's alright. You have to make up your own idea's on a satisfactory safe point weather following the manufacturers guidelines or by guidance from others!
You can severely/permanently damage mobo's with too much NB voltage, make sure your mobo has adequate cooling!
Only use the minimum amount of voltage required to get your system stable, it not only prolongs the life better, but can reduce your elctrical bill aswell .
Otherwise, be patient with it and more importantly enjoy your tinkering !
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Well guys. i fanally oced my 6000 to 3.425 ghz quit stable, thanks to phyclone who helps me a lot to that
I found a hidden panel in the bios, so i could put the HT at x4, the fps at 228 and the mult ratio at 15x XD
ps. i decided to make a "new thread" cuz i know there are a lot amd 6000 here.. this is agresive oc. (i think)
Hi yukss and welcome to the forums 
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Thats a pretty sweet overclock you have there . Whats your limiting factor atm, the HT multi was dropped so im guessing it's the FSB or RAM? Have you tried lowering the multi from 15 to 14 and raising the FSB?
I only ask as your vcore seems to be quite low for that higher overclock . You could even squeeze more out of it than the rest of us at that overclock setup .
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