Do i need a whole new pc.. or would this work?

Hey guys!

I've been kicked around a lot andtill now couldnt decide what hardware i would need.....

I own a Dell E510 2.8HT processor 1 gig ram 500 Ultra psu and Ati X1950 Pci X16 Graphic card.

Lately i've not been geting smooth play in a multiplayer game i play known as f.e.a.r so i want to buy a new mobo and processor.....i have AMD x2 6000 in my mind......... a couple of questions i have are...

1. What motherboard would be the best with AMD x2 6000 which would outperform others and will not hurt my pocket too( not forgeting the fact i already ahve ahigh end graphic card)

2. Would i need a new case.. or my dell E510 case would work?

3. Can i use my old hard disk from the dell pc....

4. Will i need a new copy of windows? or can i use my older copy on the Dell pc harddisk( i have the installation cd)

5. My ram is pc 4200 1 gig stick, can i use it... ?

These are a couple of questions i had in my mind... if i have more... ill bring it up.....i dont know nothing about hardwares ...and i've been wasting a lot of money on junk....pcs... like Dell E310... then Dell E510...

Any help would be appreciated
Thankyou!

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This is a nice board and reasonably priced, $99
http://www.newegg.com/product/prod [...] 6813131022

You'll need new RAM, the old won't fit, you'll need DDR2. I'd get a new case, just use the Dell as a backup. I like the Antec Sonata II, $99, has decent PSU, quiet, and easy to work with but cases are really pretty personal things.

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g-paw wrote :

This is a nice board and reasonably priced, $99
http://www.newegg.com/product/prod [...] 6813131022

You'll need new RAM, the old won't fit, you'll need DDR2. I'd get a new case, just use the Dell as a backup. I like the Antec Sonata II, $99, has decent PSU, quiet, and easy to work with but cases are really pretty personal things.

He says he has pc 4200 RAM which is probably DDR2 533, so it is usable though AM2 processors see a significant performance boost from using low latency DDR2 800 but that can be a later upgrade. A new mobo may or may not fit since current dells use mainly BTX mobos but you can always spend another 40 or 50 dollars on a new decent case.

You can use pretty much everything from your Dell including the HDD but you will have to reinstall windows, you will be able to reuse the windows installation disc but you might have to reactivate it over the phone with Microsoft if the disc is over the activation limit.

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You most likely won't be able to use the Windows CD that came with the Dell. As soon as you try to use it, it is going to give you an error message that says this disk must be used with a Genuine Dell PC or something like that. In other words, if it does not detect the Dell BIOS on the motherboard, it won't install. It usually is not a true Windows install disk anyway, but simply mirrors an image of the the OS and all the other Dell crap that goes along it with back to your drive exactly the way it was when you bought it.

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turboflame wrote :

He says he has pc 4200 RAM which is probably DDR2 533, so it is usable though AM2 processors see a significant performance boost from using low latency DDR2 800 but that can be a later upgrade. A new mobo may or may not fit since current dells use mainly BTX mobos but you can always spend another 40 or 50 dollars on a new decent case.

You can use pretty much everything from your Dell including the HDD but you will have to reinstall windows, you will be able to reuse the windows installation disc but you might have to reactivate it over the phone with Microsoft if the disc is over the activation limit.

Missed the RAM , agree would be better off with 800.

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Let me elaborate a little on the install disc. If your Dell came with a genuine Windows disc, as g-paw stated it should work. If it is a "recovery" disc, like most prebuilt systems by Dell, Gateway, HP etc. come with, it won't work.

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hey guys
thanks for the helpfull replies....
i already have a 500 watt ultra psu which i recently bought.... was worth 69.99 or something... and is pretty reliable i think......
and yea guys.. so the motherboard g-paw preferred........is it liek the best.. in its price range with no defects....the reviews were only 60% good though....on that specific motherboard............
and yea if i buy a new copy of windows... and everything my pc would cost me a healthy 500-600 isnt that too much?
Shouldnt dell let me use the Xp .......on my new pc...
im basically upgrading my pc to play f.e.a.r a game.. which currently lags on my pc.. so im loking for a mobo that would work perfect..and run my game....lag free...
Thanks.

Reply to zee3b

if i were you i'd also look into intel..., and if you don't th edefinetly get good ddr2 800 or 1066 ram, low latency preferably

Reply to gators1223

FEAR has a nifty settings menus where you can tweak CPU bound and GPU bound options. Your problem is most likely due to your weak CPU, just turn down the CPU settings to medium or so.

And no, I'm 99% sure dell won't let you use XP, because... it's Dell

Message edited by emp on 07-15-2007 at 04:38:18 AM

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There is a chance that you could reuse XP from the Dell, as said before it depends, if you have a reinstallation CD then you should have no problems, if it's a "recovery disc" then it's useless.

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The cd says...
Reinstallation DVD means it should work? someone told me they only work with dell motherboards...
And yea..i repeat my question..... does anyone know any better motherboard.. to go along with amd 6000 .. i want to go with amd because they are cheaper in price.. and most of my friends use it.. and have no lag........
The motherboard Paw suggested http://www.newegg.com/product/prod [...] 6813131022

shall i go with this one.... and yea... some reviews say its not compatible with all rams.... and stuff like that which i have no knowledge off.

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zee3b wrote :

The cd says...
Reinstallation DVD means it should work? someone told me they only work with dell motherboards...
And yea..i repeat my question..... does anyone know any better motherboard.. to go along with amd 6000 .. i want to go with amd because they are cheaper in price.. and most of my friends use it.. and have no lag........
The motherboard Paw suggested http://www.newegg.com/product/prod [...] 6813131022

shall i go with this one.... and yea... some reviews say its not compatible with all rams.... and stuff like that which i have no knowledge off.

If it's a reinstallation DVD it will not work on another compute, it would basically be a clone of the machine when it was shipped. As far as I know XP always shipped on a CD not DVD and would say Windows XP. As for the mobo, I'm not pimping ASUS but in general ASUS is considered one of the best mobo mfg. Suggest you google reviews of AMD 570 and 590 mobo but the latter will be much more expensive, i.e., read professional reviews. Couple of things about newegg reviews to keep in mind. An overall excellent/good rating of 75% is pretty good. Also, read the reviews, skimming one was complaining about poor tech support and website design. Another complaint was no firewire. If you want firewire, buy a board with it don't complain because the board doesn't have it and you knew this at the time. Complaining about the fact that it's tough to find a non-SLI board with firewire is legit but this applies of almost all mfg. Poor tech support is the norm and while ASUS website is not the best out there, once you figure it out it's not that bad. At least for me when reading newegg reviews, I look for consistent problems with a product and if the problem will be a problem for me, e.g., I don't overclock and if this is a complaint, it doesn't affect me. Also some of the complaints are about things that people expect a product to do when it was never intended to do it. As for compatible RAM, I always check the RAM mfg website to see what RAM is compatible with the board I'm buying. Over the years I've had 5 or 6 ASUS boards and never had a problem with memory. Just suggesting to read these reviews critically and not use as your sole source.

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everyone else is right, sadly. the xp installation disk will NOT work with a new motherboard. I work with dell computers at work and we have all sorts of extra installation cd lying around. I thought it would be a good idea to grab one, take the cd key off a laptop that was getting thrown away and use it at home on a second computer. It did not work. When those cd install windows, they look for the cdkey from the bios, not from user input. When I install them on a dell computer, i never have to input the installation key. Sorry to tell you this, but you will have to buy a new os

hey ...
Thanks for the help guys.........
So now... in my mind i have that mobo..http://www.newegg.com/product/prod [...] 6813131022
Amd 6000 processor.........
i've decided to upgrade ram too
What ram shall i get guys... i saw kingstons 800 2 gig for 109 bux... but i was wondering... if i should go for the ocz ram instead.....well i've been upgradin like mad for the past couple of months... so i wanted a upgrade which would last 2 years atleast... and save me money...
What do you recommend guys....
I still havent ordered the hardware...so i have room for any change possible...
once again im looking for an upgrade which would last me 2 years atleast or more....
Thanks.

Reply to zee3b

i would go with the ocz. you should be able to find some for under 100 after rebates. I think the corsair c4 is about 93

Would it work for windows xp?
and would it be fine for playing f.e.a.r

Reply to zee3b

@ OP: Your DELL case will not fit the motherboard as it has a different screw layout than standard ATX board.

Reply to Shadow703793

any ram will work fine. Just be sure to get ddr2 800 and get as low a latency as you can. i recommend 4-4-4-12 or below

do you care about open box or not? if you don't mind open box, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 813130047R but if you do, see about this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813130047

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Reply to rammedstein

As you plan to retire your Dell, gut it and sell/through out some
parts you should legaly be able to re-use the WindowsXP Serial # that came with the Dell (sticker on the side?, or use software
key look-up)
Borrow someones WindowsXP-home retail version, it may ask you to call in as online is not working due to DELL keys normally only work with dell versions of XP CD.

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Zee3b: Dell utilizes a BTX rather than a ATX motherboard in many of thier systems, including the e510.

I would suggest that you look for a BTX, micro-BTX or pico-BTX motherboard... Most of them also require you to get a BTX cpu heatsink and fan. But these systems can be upgraded. I made the mistake of purchasing the e310, and have since upgraded the system to an Intel BOXD946GZTSSL 946GZ motherboard with a Core 2 Duo E6600...

The good thing about the BTX design is it disapates heat very efficiently, and the bad thing is that you usually have very little room to add extra drives.

SkittlesLA

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don't get an open box mobo, it will mean more money down the drain for cables than the price difference for the retail motherboard

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Which version of X1950 do you have? There are substantial differences between the low and high end cards. I am wondering if you are making the wrong move in the short term - keeping the video card and changing everything else. If you can't do both, maybe it is better to upgrade the card now and later build a better system for it. Otherwise you might be spending a lot now for little improvement in game play. I don't play FEAR but maybe if you tell us which version the video card is some others who do can provide some input.

:bounce:

Message edited by rockyjohn on 07-22-2007 at 07:13:23 PM

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gators1223 wrote :

don't get an open box mobo, it will mean more money down the drain for cables than the price difference for the retail motherboard

err he's saving $40 odd dollars over this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813130047
How much are SATA/IDE cables? $20 max for the lot. 2xhdds 2xburners. You only get one SATA power cable and one SATA data cable with most Mobo's anyway. Driver/manual? they're free, Just download off the MSI website.

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I think we should point out here that by far the most important thing to F.E.A.R is the graphics card and u can get away with a relatively bad processer
also did you say earlier that the game LAGS? does it only happen online?

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Hey guys...
Thanks for the replies i appreciated....
The only reason why i'm upgrading is becuase i want to play f.e.a.r without any lags.....
My card is Ati X1950 256 mb.............it is not a bad card.....specially for f.e.a.r my friend plays f.e.a.r on ati X1650 which is a older version.... and he doesnt get any lags....
I think i will have to buy a new casing too... since.. most of the boards are ATX and not btx.....
So much money for one game.... ehh....
I think its because of my processor though.... and the stupid design of e510 mobo...

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So guys... im going to order...
Amd x2 6000 processor.....
This motherboard... (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131022 )

Can you guys recommend me case and the memory.. please... well the one low in prices and good in performance.... thanks...

And if you think i should go for some other motherrboard then let me know that too..

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for a case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 29021&Tpk= antec%2b900

for memory

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820145034

my friend has that case and it has excellent air flow and a resonable price. I have that memory and I am very pleased with it.

The motherboard reviews said its pretty picky on ram.... so do you think that Ram should be compatible with that motherboard?

a person said that "1.95v max limit voltage support for DDR2" What does that mean....... ?

Would i be able to run 4 gb on my pc?

Would that ram work fine.. and not cause problems for me....
And i think i might go for a cheaper case.. dont have much budget for it... can you recommend me some other case

a little cheaper.... i already have nice 5000watt psu ultra Xfinity only 2 months old.....though....

Reply to zee3b

Are you going to overclock? If not it's not important. Why is your x1950pro lagging? Hell I'm running an x2 4000+ and 2 gigs of DDR2 667 ram at with almost everything maxed out at 1280x1024 and I've never lagged.

case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811119068

don't buy a videocard yet. test the x1950 on the new system before buying a new card.

Message edited by marlborosmoker on 07-27-2007 at 04:06:56 AM

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Hey a guy messaged me this combo

Thermaltake Swing
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ (3GHz)
Biostar TFORCE 7025-M2

What do you think about this? is the motherboard better then the one im planing to buy..... and No im not overclocking.

I just need a rig which would run games like f.e.a.r and Quake wars smooth without any lag.

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I want to order this weekend............
Im just a little curious because... i feel like ditched by Dell....the first pc was E310 with no PCI -E x16 slot.... ehh ... and no stereo mix either......then this E510 mobo which wont run for nothing...

Hey guys i've changed my mind a little ....how about this motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813131013

instead of the other one i posted this ones 40 dollars more though.... does this mobo outperforms the other?

And i've finally come up with a case...i found it.. on a deal... and was cheaper then in newegg..
http://www.clubit.com/product_deta [...] =CA1386027

What do you guys think of this change?....let me know guys and i will order tonight or tommorow night... since most users stop by weekends...
Thanks for the help guys i wont be buggin you guys no more... hehe

Message edited by zee3b on 07-29-2007 at 02:34:12 AM

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Still waiting

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Best AM2 mobo I can think of:

EVGA 122-M2-NF59-TR Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 590 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6&Tpk=evga %2b590

Less flashy case, but will meet anyone's needs:

COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-UW Black Aluminum Bezel, SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811119068

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zee3b wrote :

Hey guys!

I've been kicked around a lot andtill now couldnt decide what hardware i would need.....

I own a Dell E510 2.8HT processor 1 gig ram 500 Ultra psu and Ati X1950 Pci X16 Graphic card.

Lately i've not been geting smooth play in a multiplayer game i play known as f.e.a.r so i want to buy a new mobo and processor.....i have AMD x2 6000 in my mind......... a couple of questions i have are...

1. What motherboard would be the best with AMD x2 6000 which would outperform others and will not hurt my pocket too( not forgeting the fact i already ahve ahigh end graphic card)

2. Would i need a new case.. or my dell E510 case would work?

3. Can i use my old hard disk from the dell pc....

4. Will i need a new copy of windows? or can i use my older copy on the Dell pc harddisk( i have the installation cd)

5. My ram is pc 4200 1 gig stick, can i use it... ?

These are a couple of questions i had in my mind... if i have more... ill bring it up.....i dont know nothing about hardwares ...and i've been wasting a lot of money on junk....pcs... like Dell E310... then Dell E510...

Any help would be appreciated
Thankyou!

ok try this.. uninstall ALL drivers in your hard drive, then put the hard drive in your new computer.... then if windows says that you have to re activate windows then use the product key that the sticker(COA) of your dell machine and activate it by phone and that will work, that's what i did :sol: :bounce:

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Emp that motherboard looks perfect for gaming......
I will go for that....
But I think Im going to stick with the other case though...... looks cool and has 2 fans too.... Thanks for the help.

Hey Bonner... lolz... yea i think that should work.....Microsoft guys said yes they do allow me to use it again.... and Dell guys said shouldnt be a problem either..... i think im all set....hopefully.... i'll have no more problems or confusions..

Guys one question i asked,,,, before.. the case i was looking at.,..... everything should fit in it? right... i mean... it shouldnt be small right? :ange:

Message edited by zee3b on 07-30-2007 at 01:38:51 AM

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Ok cool np, cases are after a matter of personal preference. I prefer a more reserved case without so much of the flashy stuff (Im an Antec P180 kind of guy )

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hey but eveyrhing should fit right?
Hey one more question.... i have a ATX psu runin on my tower just noticed... does that means.. i have a ATX case?

Message edited by zee3b on 07-30-2007 at 02:08:28 AM

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could be a m-ATX case. Can't really tell only by that.

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Found out.. its a btx case... but weird people say ATX psu should work on it... on diff posts...... wow im lost...
Hey on Amd 6000 review some guy said it requires a lot of power...
500 watts should be fine right?

Message edited by zee3b on 07-30-2007 at 03:32:28 AM

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Your X1950 GT/Pro/XT/XTX? should consume more power than the X2 6000+, as long as it's a quality brand 500W unit, yes. But there are cheap units that I wouldn't trust to power a light bulb.

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Reply to emp

atx psu might work with a btx case, but the motherboard you've chosen is atx and it won't work with a btx case

Reply to gators1223

Oh sweet thanks guys....Emp i have a ultra 500 watt psu.... i think its reliable lolz... well i hope...and one Ati X1950 pro requires 450 watts............. for crossfire it needs 550watt..Well i think im all set... i will order everything tomorrow.....

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emp wrote :

Best AM2 mobo I can think of:

EVGA 122-M2-NF59-TR Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 590 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6&Tpk=evga %2b590

Less flashy case, but will meet anyone's needs:

COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-UW Black Aluminum Bezel, SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811119068

I agree about that mobo - It's the one I have right now and have my AMD 5200+ 2.6Ghz oc'd to 3.03Ghz no problems....

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Just a question!!!

Are you running antivirus when gamming????

My PC lagged a lot when playing BF2 with antivirus on.

Message edited by betunn on 07-30-2007 at 07:49:19 AM

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Na...i always disable it.... doesnt make any difference even if i have it installed or not checked everything

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