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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:34:41 -0700, "Quaoar" <quaoar@tenthplanet.net>
wrote:

>Jack Zwick wrote:
>> One can not transfer files (such as pictures taken) with the bluetooth
>> as configured in the Verizon model of the Motorola v710..
>> Upset users are suing:
>>
>> <http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1293&e=1&u=/nm/20050113
>> /tc_nm/telecoms_verizonwireless_lawsuit_dc&sid=95573419>
>
>This, of course, is going nowhere at high speed.

People need to wake the eff up and start voting with their DOLLARS.
VZW is a gigantic, arrogant company, an won't change until it loses
enough customers to competitors like Cingular who have a clue re:
Bluetooth and other features that customers want.

--
Friends don't let friends shop at Best Buy (except to buy loss leaders for resale on eBay).
(See http://tinyurl.com/6efhd)

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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:31:47 -0500, Justin wrote
(in article <slrncuiks3.817.nospam@debian.dns2go.com> ):

> Subject: Re: Verizon sued for crippling Bluetooth in Motorola v710
> From: Justin <nospam@insightbb.com>
> Date: Today 12:31 PM
> Newsgroups: alt.cellular.cingular, alt.cellular, alt.cellular.verizon
>
> SinghaLvr wrote on [Sat, 15 Jan 2005 02:18:17 -0500]:
>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:26:18 -0500, John Navas wrote
>> (in article <_P1Gd.2030$m31.23836@typhoon.sonic.net> ):
>>
>>>
>>>> Verizon is a lot more secretive than Microsoft.
>>>
>>> Say what?! LOL
>>
>> We know what Microsoft is planning on releasing in 2007.
>
> No, we know what their PR dept is telling us they may release in 2007.
>

How is that different than what the company is planning to release? (I did
purposly put the word "planning" in my statement.)
(As in plan, as in plans often change ....)

I'm not sure where we disagree.

VZW seems far more secretive about their plans, at least in so far as phone
releases go. They seem to be a wee-bit more forthcoming about their network
plans.

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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:25:29 -0800, Scott en Aztlán
<slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote:

>People need to wake the eff up and start voting with their DOLLARS.
>VZW is a gigantic, arrogant company, an won't change until it loses
>enough customers to competitors like Cingular who have a clue re:
>Bluetooth and other features that customers want.

Well, aside from the "power to the people" rhetoric, I agree. If you
don't like VZW's Bluetooth implementation...go to Cingular. Or
T-Mobile. Or whoever. Suing a cell phone company because you weren't
smart enough to research your purchase properly is nuts.

But Cingular, oddly enough, is also a "gigantic, arrogant company".
So is T-Mobile. You don't get warm, friendly, personal service out of
a major company.

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SinghaLvr wrote on [Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:28:25 -0500]:
> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:31:47 -0500, Justin wrote
> (in article <slrncuiks3.817.nospam@debian.dns2go.com> ):
>
>> Subject: Re: Verizon sued for crippling Bluetooth in Motorola v710
>> From: Justin <nospam@insightbb.com>
>> Date: Today 12:31 PM
>> Newsgroups: alt.cellular.cingular, alt.cellular, alt.cellular.verizon
>>
>> SinghaLvr wrote on [Sat, 15 Jan 2005 02:18:17 -0500]:
>>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:26:18 -0500, John Navas wrote
>>> (in article <_P1Gd.2030$m31.23836@typhoon.sonic.net> ):
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Verizon is a lot more secretive than Microsoft.
>>>>
>>>> Say what?! LOL
>>>
>>> We know what Microsoft is planning on releasing in 2007.
>>
>> No, we know what their PR dept is telling us they may release in 2007.
>>
>
> How is that different than what the company is planning to release? (I did
> purposly put the word "planning" in my statement.)
> (As in plan, as in plans often change ....)

Microsoft announces products they KNOW they can't release by a certain
date. That's how.

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It will happen. One day Verizon will be cower to the competition and have to
start dumping it's employee's first (there's no loyalty to them anyway) and
then start practically giving away their service. History tells us people,
big brother Verizon will eventually fall and have to speak to the masses.
I'm am longing for that day, which will happen maybe in 2005 I'm told.

Anyway, Cingular is a large corporate mogul also...but they services and
products are much better and they don't cripple any of their hardware at
all. Swap a SIM card and you're up and working. Not to mention the many
times I've indicated Cingular's (GSM) available phone list.

Hey, will GSM outlast TDMA? Or vice-versa?

"Scott en Aztlán" <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:34:41 -0700, "Quaoar" <quaoar@tenthplanet.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Jack Zwick wrote:
> >> One can not transfer files (such as pictures taken) with the bluetooth
> >> as configured in the Verizon model of the Motorola v710..
> >> Upset users are suing:
> >>
> >>
<http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1293&e=1&u=/nm/20050113
> >> /tc_nm/telecoms_verizonwireless_lawsuit_dc&sid=95573419>
> >
> >This, of course, is going nowhere at high speed.
>
> People need to wake the eff up and start voting with their DOLLARS.
> VZW is a gigantic, arrogant company, an won't change until it loses
> enough customers to competitors like Cingular who have a clue re:
> Bluetooth and other features that customers want.
>
> --
> Friends don't let friends shop at Best Buy (except to buy loss leaders for
resale on eBay).
> (See http://tinyurl.com/6efhd)

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John Navas wrote:
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <34ootcF49nudjU1@individual.net> on Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:25:00 -0600,
> "Shaolin Superfly" <shaolinsuperfly@yinyang.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Scott Stephenson" <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in message
>>news:4aGdnTR22pLFtnrcRVn-3A@adelphia.com...
>>
>>><glaabtom@netscape.net> wrote in message
>>>news:1105665280.454644.233640@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>>I just looked on the VerizonWireless site and on the V710 page it
>>>
>>>states, "And with Bluetooth® wireless technology, you can make
>>>hands-free, eyes-free calls, and connect to your PC or PDA whenever and
>>>wherever you want."
>>>
>>>
>>>>Since PCs and PDAs are not generally recognized as voice devices, it
>>>
>>>certainly seems that VZW is touting data capabilities. They don't say
>>>you can "connect your PC/PDA to the internet," they say you can
>>>"connect [your phone] to your PC or PDA". Connect _from_ where? The
>>>internet? Not likely.
>>>
>>>
>>>I can connect to my computer with my non-BT phone. It's not needed to
>>>connect and/or transfer data between the two.
>>
>>
>>But VZW advertises the ability to connect with Bluetooth then disables those
>>features in the phone.
>
>
> If Bluetooth works (and it does) then it's not disabled (and it isn't).
> Unless Verizon Wireless specifically promises features that aren't delivered,
> then there is NO CASE.
>

Just by mentioning the word "Bluetooth" makes Verizon liable.
Bluetooth IS a method for wireless data exchange with a computer.

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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:34:19 -0500, xman@thedripper.com wrote
(in article <10uivid23o0mee@corp.supernews.com> ):

> Anyway, Cingular is a large corporate mogul also...but they services and
> products are much better and they don't cripple any of their hardware at
> all. Swap a SIM card and you're up and working. Not to mention the many
> times I've indicated Cingular's (GSM) available phone list.

as you correctly point out .... there's really nothing wrong with being a
"big gigantic" company. It's when that same company is arrogant that things
go bad. (Wal-Mart is a terrific example of this .... )

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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:17:45 -0500, Justin wrote
(in article <slrncuiuj8.817.nospam@debian.dns2go.com> ):

>>>
>>> No, we know what their PR dept is telling us they may release in 2007.
>>>
>>
>> How is that different than what the company is planning to release? (I did
>> purposly put the word "planning" in my statement.)
>> (As in plan, as in plans often change ....)
>
> Microsoft announces products they KNOW they can't release by a certain
> date. That's how.
>

Perhaps ... but we still know what they are planning to release ....
eventually.

Your interpretation of Microsoft's business practices also doesn't change
what I wrote.

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What is wrong with "Wally World"? I purchase everything there :-)


"SinghaLvr" <singhalvr@charter.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BE0EEA8800166513F02845B0@nntp.charter.net...
> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:34:19 -0500, xman@thedripper.com wrote
> (in article <10uivid23o0mee@corp.supernews.com> ):
>
>> Anyway, Cingular is a large corporate mogul also...but they services and
>> products are much better and they don't cripple any of their hardware at
>> all. Swap a SIM card and you're up and working. Not to mention the many
>> times I've indicated Cingular's (GSM) available phone list.
>
> as you correctly point out .... there's really nothing wrong with being a
> "big gigantic" company. It's when that same company is arrogant that
> things
> go bad. (Wal-Mart is a terrific example of this .... )
>
>

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"John" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> Just by mentioning the word "Bluetooth" makes Verizon liable.
> Bluetooth IS a method for wireless data exchange with a computer.

But wireless data exchange with a computer is only one possible example. BT
is much more than that, and the Verizon site did clearly show me which
Bluetooth functions were available on Verizon phones.

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Can you get Cell Phones there?

Mij Adyaw wrote:
> What is wrong with "Wally World"? I purchase everything there :-)
>
>
> "SinghaLvr" <singhalvr@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:0001HW.BE0EEA8800166513F02845B0@nntp.charter.net...
>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:34:19 -0500, xman@thedripper.com wrote
>> (in article <10uivid23o0mee@corp.supernews.com> ):
>>
>>> Anyway, Cingular is a large corporate mogul also...but they
>>> services and products are much better and they don't cripple any of
>>> their hardware at all. Swap a SIM card and you're up and working.
>>> Not to mention the many times I've indicated Cingular's (GSM)
>>> available phone list.
>>
>> as you correctly point out .... there's really nothing wrong with
>> being a "big gigantic" company. It's when that same company is
>> arrogant that things
>> go bad. (Wal-Mart is a terrific example of this .... )

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John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in
news:EE5Gd.2060$m31.24334@typhoon.sonic.net:

> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <Xns95DF24A39B73Bdmm2002dmm2002dmm@140.99.99.130> on Sat, 15 Jan
> 2005 08:36:06 GMT, "David M. Moore"
> <davmooDEATH@TOgibbousmoonSPAMMERS.com> wrote:
>
>>That comes straight out of the description for the V710 on Verizon's
>>own website...http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?
>>item=equipmentUpgrade&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=1570
>
> All I get at that URL is:
>
> Upgrading our website
>
> We are improving our web site to serve you better
>
> We're currently upgrading our website and apologize for the
> inconvenience. Please visit us again soon.

Then try:

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?
item=phoneFirst&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=1570

The first link I gave I was logged in to my Verizon Wireless account and
was following the links for "upgrade your phone", and that may make a
difference. The new link above was arrived at by following links from
their front door at www.verizonwireless.com to their description of the
V710. You may have to at least enter your zipcode. And with the
exception of some slight formatting, it says the exact same thing in the
first paragraph that I quoted in my original post.


>
> It could simply mean (say) a modem connection.
>

Yes, it could. But Verizon needs to clearly state that. That I am aware
of, and please correct me if I am wrong on this, Verizon is the only
carrier that limits Bluetooth usage on a phone. Their limitation is not
what is common and expected in the industry. This would be, in my
opinion, like Nissan fixing their new cars so the gas tank can only be
filled at a Nissan dealership by a Nissan employee for an additional
charge, but they never bother to clearly state that anywhere before they
make the sale. The average consumer who is knowledgeable about cars is
going to assume that you can use any brand of gasoline and can use self-
serve because that is what is common in the industry.

Is it "illegal"? No, probably not, and I really don't expect the
plantiffs in the lawsuit against Verizon Wireless to win. And I even
think "unethical" is probably too strong a word to describe what Verizon
is doing. But I do think "misleading" hits the nail squarely on the
head, and they need to clearly state in their product descriptions what
can and cannot be done with Bluetooth on that particular product
offering.


David

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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:03:54 -0500, Peter Pan wrote
(in article <34tepvF4f6bajU1@individual.net> ):

>
> Can you get Cell Phones there?

You used to could ....
BellSouth used to have Kiosks in the stores. I'm not sure if Cingular still
does. It's been a while since I've been in there.

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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:50:35 -0500, David M. Moore wrote
(in article <Xns95DFABB156DACdmm2002dmm2002dmm@140.99.99.130> ):

> When the others can give me that same degree of
> performance, then I'll consider switching.

Just curious ... (I really don't know the answer to these...)

1) Are you in a VZW Analog or Digital area?

2) If Digital, doesn't Sprint roam on VZW towers, so they would work also, or
are there other issues with Sprint's service?
(If the answer to #1 is analog then disregard # 2)

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SinghaLvr <singhalvr@charter.net> wrote in
news:0001HW.BE0F05BD001CC590F05095B0@nntp.charter.net:

> 1) Are you in a VZW Analog or Digital area?

My area (southcentral Indiana, US) is digital.

> 2) If Digital, doesn't Sprint roam on VZW towers, so they would work
> also, or are there other issues with Sprint's service?
> (If the answer to #1 is analog then disregard # 2)

That I cannot answer. All I know for sure is that three friends who have
Sprint have constant trouble making calls in this area, and I don't.


David

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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:55:02 -0500, David M. Moore wrote
(in article <Xns95DFB643ADF0Bdmm2002dmm2002dmm@140.99.99.130> ):

> Subject: Re: Verizon sued for crippling Bluetooth in Motorola v710
> From: "David M. Moore" <davmooDEATH@TOgibbousmoonSPAMMERS.com>
> Date: Today 5:55 PM
> Newsgroups: alt.cellular.cingular, alt.cellular, alt.cellular.verizon
>
> SinghaLvr <singhalvr@charter.net> wrote in
> news:0001HW.BE0F05BD001CC590F05095B0@nntp.charter.net:
>
>> 1) Are you in a VZW Analog or Digital area?
>
> My area (southcentral Indiana, US) is digital.
>
>> 2) If Digital, doesn't Sprint roam on VZW towers, so they would work
>> also, or are there other issues with Sprint's service?
>> (If the answer to #1 is analog then disregard # 2)
>
> That I cannot answer. All I know for sure is that three friends who have
> Sprint have constant trouble making calls in this area, and I don't.

Interesting ....

Thanks for the info.

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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:13:05 GMT, "David M. Moore"
<davmooDEATH@TOgibbousmoonSPAMMERS.com> wrote:

>Is it "illegal"? No, probably not, and I really don't expect the
>plantiffs in the lawsuit against Verizon Wireless to win. And I even
>think "unethical" is probably too strong a word to describe what Verizon
>is doing. But I do think "misleading" hits the nail squarely on the
>head, and they need to clearly state in their product descriptions what
>can and cannot be done with Bluetooth on that particular product
>offering.

I'd agree with that, but I wouldn't call their current
literature/advertising "misleading" at all. I saw it, and I wasn't
mislead. I bought the phone strictly for what it does - connect
wirelessly with the Internet via Bluetooth, for my laptop and PDA. It
does that quite well.

Would I have been disappointed if I knew about Bluetooth's ability to
transfer files, contacts, etc. and found out after buying it that
VZW's implementation didn't support that? Perhaps. But if I already
KNEW Bluetooth could do that, wouldn't you think I'd make sure the
phone could do that before I plunked down the $400 I did to buy it out
of contract?

If you know about Bluetooth, chances are you have a myriad of
resources, online and otherwise, to find out about this. A quick trip
to the v710's description on PhoneScoop, for one, would have answered
the question, even before the phone was released. And you know...you
could always ask the VZW sales person - "I need to do this, this and
this with Bluetooth on the phone, can it do that?" If they'd have
answered "yes" for file transfer, etc., then I'd understand if you
were ticked off.

But I don't understand if you didn't take the time to do the research
before you bought the phone.

Mike