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Jack Zwick wrote:
> In article <35h49vF4fp9atU1@individual.net>,
> "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@HotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>> Since the Moto v710 is CDMA, can anyone show a single CDMA phone with
>> bluetooth that allows file transfer?
>
> How about the Sony T608 ?

from http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=228

The first CDMA phone with built-in Bluetooth for North America. Sports a
color display, 1xRTT high-speed data, and Java downloadable applications.

Offered By:
. Sprint Discontinued


Notice it was only offered by sprint, and is discontinued.....

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David M. Moore wrote:
> "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@HotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote in
> news:35h49vF4fp9atU1@individual.net:
>
>> 2 Discontinued models, phones have no native bluetooth, but clip on
>> adapters allow it.
>> Motorola Timeport 270c, and the Sony Ericsson T61c
>
>
> Both of which, when those adapters are attached, support file
> transfer via Bluetooh. I happen to have a Verizon-branded T61c.
>
>
> David

Guess I don't understand your point.. we both agree the phones themselves
*DON'T* do it, unless you get an adapter in which case the adapter does it,
not the phone. In any case, both are discontinued, so there are no current
Verizon cellphones that support BT and File transfer.

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In article <35hfovF4leg96U1@individual.net>,
"Peter Pan" <Marcs1102@Hotmail.com> wrote:

> Jack Zwick wrote:
> > In article <35h49vF4fp9atU1@individual.net>,
> > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102@Hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Since the Moto v710 is CDMA, can anyone show a single CDMA phone with
> >> bluetooth that allows file transfer?
> >
> > How about the Sony T608 ?
>
> from http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=228
>
> The first CDMA phone with built-in Bluetooth for North America. Sports a
> color display, 1xRTT high-speed data, and Java downloadable applications.
>
> Offered By:
> . Sprint Discontinued
>
>
> Notice it was only offered by sprint, and is discontinued.....

What's the matter, gotta pick nits because you were proved wrong?

I didnt see where you asked for a different Verizon phone.

And 30 seconds of Googling will find you instructions for activating a
SprintPCS phone on Verizon.

You asked for a CDMA phone with Bluetooth file transfer, and despite
being "discontinued" 30 seconds of Google effort will find you a new
T608.

OK - How about the Treo 650 as a CDMA phone with Bluetooth file transfer
that is not "discontinued" ?

or the Sprint LG PM-325, or PPC-6601


Now we're up to 4 CDMA phones with Bluetooth File Transfer.

Your apology will be accepted.

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In article <35hg8lF4m2le9U1@individual.net>,
"Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@HotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:

> David M. Moore wrote:
> > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@HotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote in
> > news:35h49vF4fp9atU1@individual.net:
> >
> >> 2 Discontinued models, phones have no native bluetooth, but clip on
> >> adapters allow it.
> >> Motorola Timeport 270c, and the Sony Ericsson T61c
> >
> >
> > Both of which, when those adapters are attached, support file
> > transfer via Bluetooh. I happen to have a Verizon-branded T61c.
> >
> >
> > David
>
> Guess I don't understand your point.. we both agree the phones themselves
> *DON'T* do it, unless you get an adapter in which case the adapter does it,
> not the phone. In any case, both are discontinued, so there are no current
> Verizon cellphones that support BT and File transfer.

Did you bother to read the highly misleadly statements on the Verizon
website:

"Bluetooth is a low bandwidth, wireless networking technology designed
primarily to replace cables for communication between personal computing
and communication devices. It is intended to be used for both voice and
data communications. "

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Jack Zwick wrote:
> In article <35hfovF4leg96U1@individual.net>,
> "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Jack Zwick wrote:
>>> In article <35h49vF4fp9atU1@individual.net>,
>>> "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Since the Moto v710 is CDMA, can anyone show a single CDMA phone
>>>> with bluetooth that allows file transfer?
>>>
>>> How about the Sony T608 ?
>>
>> from http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=228
>>
>> The first CDMA phone with built-in Bluetooth for North America.
>> Sports a color display, 1xRTT high-speed data, and Java downloadable
>> applications.
>>
>> Offered By:
>> . Sprint Discontinued
>>
>>
>> Notice it was only offered by sprint, and is discontinued.....
>
> What's the matter, gotta pick nits because you were proved wrong?
>
> I didnt see where you asked for a different Verizon phone.
>
> And 30 seconds of Googling will find you instructions for activating a
> SprintPCS phone on Verizon.
>
> You asked for a CDMA phone with Bluetooth file transfer, and despite
> being "discontinued" 30 seconds of Google effort will find you a new
> T608.
>
> OK - How about the Treo 650 as a CDMA phone with Bluetooth file
> transfer that is not "discontinued" ?
>
> or the Sprint LG PM-325, or PPC-6601
>
>
> Now we're up to 4 CDMA phones with Bluetooth File Transfer.
>
> Your apology will be accepted.

Sorry, didn't realize you are an ignoramus and can't read.... The title of
this thread is VERIZON SUED FOR CRIPPLING BLUETOOTH...

Anyone with common sense would know it is *VERIZON*, and not a sprint phone.

Oh well, guess it just proves what a 'tard you are.......

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Jack Zwick wrote:
>
> Did you bother to read the highly misleadly statements on the Verizon
> website:
>
> "Bluetooth is a low bandwidth, wireless networking technology designed
> primarily to replace cables for communication between personal
> computing and communication devices. It is intended to be used for
> both voice and data communications. "

Funny how you are such an idiot that can read a verizon website, yet you
post about phones from OTHER carriers like sprint.

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In article <35hob7F4n81n2U1@individual.net>,
"Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@HotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:

> Jack Zwick wrote:
> > In article <35hfovF4leg96U1@individual.net>,
> > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102@Hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Jack Zwick wrote:
> >>> In article <35h49vF4fp9atU1@individual.net>,
> >>> "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102@Hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Since the Moto v710 is CDMA, can anyone show a single CDMA phone
> >>>> with bluetooth that allows file transfer?
> >>>
> >>> How about the Sony T608 ?
> >>
> >> from http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=228
> >>
> >> The first CDMA phone with built-in Bluetooth for North America.
> >> Sports a color display, 1xRTT high-speed data, and Java downloadable
> >> applications.
> >>
> >> Offered By:
> >> . Sprint Discontinued
> >>
> >>
> >> Notice it was only offered by sprint, and is discontinued.....
> >
> > What's the matter, gotta pick nits because you were proved wrong?
> >
> > I didnt see where you asked for a different Verizon phone.
> >
> > And 30 seconds of Googling will find you instructions for activating a
> > SprintPCS phone on Verizon.
> >
> > You asked for a CDMA phone with Bluetooth file transfer, and despite
> > being "discontinued" 30 seconds of Google effort will find you a new
> > T608.
> >
> > OK - How about the Treo 650 as a CDMA phone with Bluetooth file
> > transfer that is not "discontinued" ?
> >
> > or the Sprint LG PM-325, or PPC-6601
> >
> >
> > Now we're up to 4 CDMA phones with Bluetooth File Transfer.
> >
> > Your apology will be accepted.
>
> Sorry, didn't realize you are an ignoramus and can't read.... The title of
> this thread is VERIZON SUED FOR CRIPPLING BLUETOOTH...
>
> Anyone with common sense would know it is *VERIZON*, and not a sprint phone.
>
> Oh well, guess it just proves what a 'tard you are.......

P L O N K

You were convinced no CDMA Bluetooth phone did file transfer. I proved
different.

Who's the retard?

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In article <35h49vF4fp9atU1@individual.net>,
"Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@HotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:

> >>>> The point is there are a LOT of bluetooth phones out there that
> >>>> don't support file transfer,
> >>>
> >>> But no-one can name a single model that does not.
> >>
> >> Funny, I specifically named how to find DOZENS of em....
> >
> > Instead of saying how to find them, how about naming them?
>
> Don't be an idiot..

I'm not.

> The bluetooth specs are at www.bluetooth.org and they say absolutely
> nothing about requiring file transfer..

Which has nothing to do with your claim that there are Bluetooth phones
(other than the V710) that don't do file transfer via bluetooth. We're
simply asking you to name them (or some of them, or even one of them).

> Since the Moto v710 is CDMA, can anyone show a single CDMA phone with
> bluetooth that allows file transfer? (hint, there are none, zero,
> nada, zilch)

What other CDMA bluetooth phones have bluetooth?

> there have been 4 Verizon BT phones..
> 2 current models (neither of which do file transfer)
> Audiovox PPC-6600

I can't find this one on Verizon's web site. But Audiovox does list it
as being available from Verizon; however, they list it as a pocket pc,
not as a wireless telephone. But it is amazing that a pocket PC doesn't
allow data transfer.

> Motorola V710

yeah, we know about that one.

So, what you are telling us is that because Verizon has chosen to
cripple the phone by not allowing data transfer, we should not complain
that Verizon has crippled the phone by not allowing data transfer?

They don't allow data transfer (other than phone book and calendar)
through the USB port either. We should just take that lying down, too?

You sound just like General Bullmoose.

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In article <35hg8lF4m2le9U1@individual.net>,
"Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@HotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:

> Guess I don't understand your point.. we both agree the phones
> themselves *DON'T* do it, unless you get an adapter in which case the
> adapter does it, not the phone. In any case, both are discontinued,
> so there are no current Verizon cellphones that support BT and File
> transfer.

And that's the problem.

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In article <35hohjF4m5lghU1@individual.net>,
"Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@HotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:

> > Did you bother to read the highly misleadly statements on the
> > Verizon website:
> >
> > "Bluetooth is a low bandwidth, wireless networking technology
> > designed primarily to replace cables for communication between
> > personal computing and communication devices. It is intended to be
> > used for both voice and data communications. "
>
> Funny how you are such an idiot that can read a verizon website, yet
> you post about phones from OTHER carriers like sprint.

Funny how you are such an idiot that can read that Verizon says that
Bluetooth is intended to be used for data communications, yet defend
Verizon for suppressing data communications in its own phones.

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"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
news:michelle-BA46C4.09554423012005@news.west.cox.net...
> In article <35h49vF4fp9atU1@individual.net>,
> "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@HotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>> The point is there are a LOT of bluetooth phones out there that
> > >>>> don't support file transfer,
> > >>>
> > >>> But no-one can name a single model that does not.
> > >>
> > >> Funny, I specifically named how to find DOZENS of em....
> > >
> > > Instead of saying how to find them, how about naming them?
> >
> > Don't be an idiot..
>
> I'm not.
>
> > The bluetooth specs are at www.bluetooth.org and they say absolutely
> > nothing about requiring file transfer..
>
> Which has nothing to do with your claim that there are Bluetooth phones
> (other than the V710) that don't do file transfer via bluetooth. We're
> simply asking you to name them (or some of them, or even one of them).
>
> > Since the Moto v710 is CDMA, can anyone show a single CDMA phone with
> > bluetooth that allows file transfer? (hint, there are none, zero,
> > nada, zilch)
>
> What other CDMA bluetooth phones have bluetooth?
>
> > there have been 4 Verizon BT phones..
> > 2 current models (neither of which do file transfer)
> > Audiovox PPC-6600
>
> I can't find this one on Verizon's web site. But Audiovox does list it
> as being available from Verizon; however, they list it as a pocket pc,
> not as a wireless telephone. But it is amazing that a pocket PC doesn't
> allow data transfer.
>
> > Motorola V710
>
> yeah, we know about that one.
>
> So, what you are telling us is that because Verizon has chosen to
> cripple the phone by not allowing data transfer, we should not complain
> that Verizon has crippled the phone by not allowing data transfer?
>
> They don't allow data transfer (other than phone book and calendar)
> through the USB port either. We should just take that lying down, too?
>

Don't take it lying down. But you need to identify one other industry where
the consumer dictates to the provider what services they are required to
provide to avoid litigation. And you need to identify any other cellular
provider where the consumer dictates what type of information is transferred
by the provider's network. And while you're at it, name any industry that
doesn't allow for individual companies to add or subtract optional features
on a product.

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In article <0e6dnRtlu6G1RG7cRVn-qw@adelphia.com>,
"Scott Stephenson" <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote:

> Don't take it lying down. But you need to identify one other
> industry where the consumer dictates to the provider what services
> they are required to provide to avoid litigation.

No I don't. All that needs to be proved is that the company advertised
a feature, even if by implication, and didn't deliver on its promise.

> And you need to identify any other cellular provider where the
> consumer dictates what type of information is transferred by the
> provider's network.

Irrelevant, because Bluetooth transfer isn't done by the provider's
network any more than USB transfer is.

> And while you're at it, name any industry that doesn't allow for
> individual companies to add or subtract optional features on a
> product.

Again, irrelevant because it's a matter of advertised functionality.

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Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
> Again, irrelevant because it's a matter of advertised functionality.

You keep saying that, but you missed what I think is the most important
point, they do *NOT* advertise that you can do that.. Some people just
assume they can do it, but it doesn't say you can anywhere.

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In article <35i8skF4nf6nmU1@individual.net>,
"Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@HotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:

> > Again, irrelevant because it's a matter of advertised
> > functionality.
>
> You keep saying that, but you missed what I think is the most
> important point, they do *NOT* advertise that you can do that.. Some
> people just assume they can do it, but it doesn't say you can
> anywhere.

Yes, they do advertise it by implication, when they say that BT is
designed for data transfer. This has been pointed out to you more than
once.

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"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
news:michelle-703206.11505223012005@news.west.cox.net...
> In article <35i8skF4nf6nmU1@individual.net>,
> "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@HotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:
>
> > > Again, irrelevant because it's a matter of advertised
> > > functionality.
> >
> > You keep saying that, but you missed what I think is the most
> > important point, they do *NOT* advertise that you can do that.. Some
> > people just assume they can do it, but it doesn't say you can
> > anywhere.
>
> Yes, they do advertise it by implication, when they say that BT is
> designed for data transfer. This has been pointed out to you more than
> once.
>
> --

And data transfers between the headset and the phone when you use a BT
headset. What? You weren't talking about that kind of data? Neither is
Verizon, and anything less than an industry expert going on record and
saying that data does not flow between the phone and the headset is going to
quickly deflate this action. And as I've already posted twice (and has been
posted many times by others), Verizon actually states that the type of data
transfer you are looking for does not exist with them and has stated that
publicly in their website for quite a long time.

Anybody complaining about this is guilty of sloppy and incomplete research.
The fact that anyone is trying to hold the company responsible for the basic
stupidity of others is quite amusing.

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On 2005-01-23 00:43:52 -0500, nospam <nospam@nospam.net> said:

> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:20:38 -0500, Peter Pan wrote
> (in article <35fqspF4l155vU1@individual.net> ):
>
>> The point is there are a LOT of bluetooth phones out there that don't
>> support file transfer,
>
> But no-one can name a single model that does not.


Blackberry 7290 and 7100t (r,v) do not support Bluetooth file transfer

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In message <0001HW.BE17C311001FE9FBF04075B0@nntp.charter.net> SinghaLvr
<singhalvr@charter.net> wrote:

>I'm actually in agreement with you. It's not required. I just have not seen
>any devices that currently support bluetooth and not file transfer. (Not
>recently anyway). We see quite a few devices at my workplace (long story,
>but we write software that utilizes bluetooth file transfer among other
>things) and so far I can't think of a device that's come through from any
>vendor that didn't support this functionality.

Not to be argumentative, but I've got a bluetooth headset or two here
that doesn't support file transfer.

>I guess I'm more surprised that VZW would do something so different from most
>of the other vendors. Since you can still do file transfer with a USB cable
>they haven't prevented anything or protected any "contractual obligations",
>but they have raised the ire of at least a few of their customers. I'm not
>sure what the benefit will end up being to Verizion.

It could be that they have a contract which restricts them to using a
specific vendor for wireless application installation.

Using a cable might not violate the contract, but using anything
wireless, be it over the cellular network or over bluetooth, would be
classified as a violation.


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