RFD: comp.sys.mobile-world

Archived from groups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.handhelds,comp.sys.palmtops (More info?)

REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
unmoderated group comp.sys.mobile-world

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
worldwide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup comp.sys.mobile-world. This is
not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural
details are below.

Newsgroup line:
comp.sys.mobile-world Mobile entertainment, unlocking, and phone accessories.

RATIONALE: comp.sys.mobile-world

The newsgroup 'comp.sys.mobile-world' would be a forum for all the
mobile games, ringtones, graphics, mms, videos, gsm phones unlocking and
accessories for various phones. People can discuss any of the mobile
topics of their interest.

Currently, comp.sys.handhelds and comp.sys.palmtops are the only
existing newsgroups on mobile phones topic. "mobile-world" will
specially be a mobile phones unlocking, mobile games, ringtones, videos,
graphics, mms and various phones accessories newsgroup.

Cellphone can be considered as another world in today's scenario.
Several unmoderated online forums and newsgroups dedicated to mobile
phones do exist and have a large amount of traffic, experience shows
that the lack of a unified forum and hampers the development of a decent
discussion on cellphone (few exceptions do exist). We would like to work
together with our members to make such groups where you find every
solution of your problem.

"mobile-world" will be a newsgroup for general audience for general cell
phones discussions as per the interest. The group will be a place for
mobile/cellphone unlocking; accessories and entertainment related topics
thus would avoid any general confusion or disagreement on the subject.

CHARTER: comp.sys.mobile-world

comp.sys.mobile-world is an unmoderated newsgroup for discussion of the
mobile entertainment, mobile phone unlocking and several mobile phones
accessories, and related technologies.

Appropriate discussion in the group will involve mobile phones and other
mobile accessories - related information. Some examples of topics that
should be posted to comp.sys.mobile-world:

- General question regarding the mobile games, ringtones, mms, videos,
graphics.
- GSM phones unlocking questions and unlocking software questions, also
solutions.
- Questions for various mobile phones accessories and solutions.
- Or any mobile phone or cell phones related Discussion.


Posting guidelines:

1) Posts must be related to mobiles discussion, which includes all the
games, ringtones, graphics, mms, videos, phone unlocking and various
phone accessories.

2) All the discussions irrelevant to the topics should not be made.
Personal attacks, incitement to retribution (i.e. flames and obvious
trolling), or general hostility should not be posted.

Clearly inappropriate postings include:

(1) Personal attacks

(2) Discussion that isn't about Mobiles or irrelevant to the topic.

(3) Posts may include links to websites or personal pages that contain
relevant and on-topic information about Mobile and mobile industry.

(4) All the posts should be of public interest, question or solution of
any problem or any mobile information that is of public interest.
Binaries (e.g. image files, sound files) are not permissible.

END CHARTER.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for
a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal
is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For
Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion
warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups, news.groups,
comp.sys.handhelds, comp.sys.palmtops

Proponent: Deepak Rajput <groups@moftware.com>

Archived from groups: news.groups,comp.sys.handhelds,comp.sys.palmtops (More info?)

In news.groups yeltrabnhoj@email.com wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:19:41 +0000, Deepak Rajput <groups@moftware.com>
>wrote:

>> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
>> unmoderated group comp.sys.mobile-world
>>
>>This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
>>worldwide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup comp.sys.mobile-world.
><snip>
>>RATIONALE: comp.sys.mobile-world
>>
>>The newsgroup 'comp.sys.mobile-world' would be a forum for all the
>>mobile games, ringtones, graphics, mms, videos, gsm phones unlocking and
>>accessories for various phones. People can discuss any of the mobile
>>topics of their interest.

>Except it it applies to iDEN, AMPS or CMDA systems. I'm sorry, but this
>forum is named in a misleading manner, as many people in the world (US,
>Canada, Mexico, Russia, Romania, Free Korea, New Zealand, Australia and
>other nations) do not use GSM-based systems.

>If the name remains comp.sys.mobile-world then I will vote aganst it.
>comp.sys.mobile.gsm is much more appropriate.

What aspect of the proposal suggests this will be a GSM-only newsgroup?
If the proponent intended a wider scope, then it would be a good idea
to add wording that reflects that wider scope.

[snip]

>>CHARTER: comp.sys.mobile-world
>>
>>comp.sys.mobile-world is an unmoderated newsgroup for discussion of the
>>mobile entertainment, mobile phone unlocking and several mobile phones
>>accessories, and related technologies.
><snip>

>Redundant, given the wide diversity of unmoderated groups beneath
>alt.cellular which already serve this market.

Not completely relevant. Alt.* is not part of the Big-8. This proposal
seeks to create a group in the Big-8 hierarchy, which apparently doesn't
have a group dedicated to mobile phone technology. The existance of an
alt.* version is not necessarily worth consideration.

It is quite conceivable that the alt.* version is well established and
well propagated, thus its readers should vote against it if they expect
an erosion of its readership or some sort of damage to the alt.* group.
However, it is also possible that many of those readers would rather be
subscribed to a Big-8 newsgroup for any number of reasons, for which they
may vote for the group and abandon the alt.* group en masse. Being
a redundant proposal in this way is not objectionable in of itself. Its
the later results of that redundancy that matters. So what will the
effects be if some form of the proposed group is created, and are they
desired?

ru

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Quality, usefulness, merit, or non-newsgroups popularity of a topic
is more or less irrelevant in creating a new Big-8 newsgroup.
Usenet popularity is the primary consideration.

Archived from groups: news.groups,comp.sys.handhelds,comp.sys.palmtops (More info?)

>>On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:19:41 +0000, Deepak Rajput <groups@moftware.com>
>>wrote:
>
>>> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
>>> unmoderated group comp.sys.mobile-world
>>>
>>>This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
>>>worldwide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup comp.sys.mobile-world.
>><snip>
>>>RATIONALE: comp.sys.mobile-world
>>>The newsgroup 'comp.sys.mobile-world' would be a forum for all the
>>>mobile games, ringtones, graphics, mms, videos, gsm phones unlocking and
>>>accessories for various phones. People can discuss any of the mobile
>>>topics of their interest.


>In news.groups yeltrabnhoj@email.com wrote:

>>Except it it applies to iDEN, AMPS or CMDA systems. I'm sorry, but this
>>forum is named in a misleading manner, as many people in the world (US,
>>Canada, Mexico, Russia, Romania, Free Korea, New Zealand, Australia and
>>other nations) do not use GSM-based systems.
>
>>If the name remains comp.sys.mobile-world then I will vote aganst it.
>>comp.sys.mobile.gsm is much more appropriate.


On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:58:09 +0000 (UTC), ru.igarashi@usask.ca wrote:

>What aspect of the proposal suggests this will be a GSM-only newsgroup?

From his use of the phrase
"gsm phones"
but no mention of other systems.

>If the proponent intended a wider scope, then it would be a good idea
>to add wording that reflects that wider scope.


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Archived from groups: news.groups,comp.sys.handhelds,comp.sys.palmtops (More info?)

In news.groups yeltrabnhoj@email.com wrote:

>>>On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:19:41 +0000, Deepak Rajput <groups@moftware.com>
>>>wrote:
>>
>>>> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
>>>> unmoderated group comp.sys.mobile-world
>>>>
>>>>This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
>>>>worldwide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup comp.sys.mobile-world.
>>><snip>
>>>>RATIONALE: comp.sys.mobile-world
>>>>The newsgroup 'comp.sys.mobile-world' would be a forum for all the
>>>>mobile games, ringtones, graphics, mms, videos, gsm phones unlocking and
>>>>accessories for various phones. People can discuss any of the mobile
>>>>topics of their interest.

>>In news.groups yeltrabnhoj@email.com wrote:

>>>Except it it applies to iDEN, AMPS or CMDA systems. I'm sorry, but this
>>>forum is named in a misleading manner, as many people in the world (US,
>>>Canada, Mexico, Russia, Romania, Free Korea, New Zealand, Australia and
>>>other nations) do not use GSM-based systems.
>>
>>>If the name remains comp.sys.mobile-world then I will vote aganst it.
>>>comp.sys.mobile.gsm is much more appropriate.


>On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:58:09 +0000 (UTC), ru.igarashi@usask.ca wrote:

>>What aspect of the proposal suggests this will be a GSM-only newsgroup?

>From his use of the phrase
>"gsm phones"
>but no mention of other systems.

He did state "can discuss any of the mobile topics". More importantly,
GSM is mentioned as ONE example of sample topics in the CHARTER.
Generally, any list of topics in proposals should not be considered
exclusive. Just because he mentioned GSM somewhere, it doesn't mean
that's the only variant that will be allowed/appropriate. It is
impossible to list all variants without the CHARTER becoming dated.
Further, it is not recommended to even try to build a comprehensive list
of appropriate topics. The best a proponent can do is cite an example
and move on to something different. As such, I do not recommend voting
NO simply on the inference of an exclusion. If you can determine an
explicit exclusion, then you have something to vote against.

ru

--
My standard proposals rant:
Quality, usefulness, merit, or non-newsgroups popularity of a topic
is more or less irrelevant in creating a new Big-8 newsgroup.
Usenet popularity is the primary consideration.