A third of Vista PCs downgraded to XP

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Vista’s death march picked up some pace yesterday, after a metrics researcher revealed that nearly 35 per cent of PCs built to run the Windows operating system have been downgraded to XP.

In a survey of more than 3,000 computers, performance testing software developer Devil Mountain Software estimated that more than one in three new machines had either been downgraded by vendors such as Dell, or by customers once they bought the PC....

A third of Vista PCs downgraded to XP
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Well Jake, thank you for the two month old "information" But you may want to go ahead and read the source article - The survey doesn't cover 1/3rd of 'people', it's 1/3rd of enterprise users. Software standards being what they are at most corporations, the surprising number isn't 1/3rd are being downgraded back to XP, it's that 70% are keeping it.

It's the exact same stuff every time there's a new OS:

Intel upgrades to Windows 2000 six months after Windows XP was released:
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inqu [...] over-winxp

Sluggish corporate adoption of Windows XP:
http://www.computerworld.com/print [...] 76,00.html

Microsoft offers new licensing terms and other incentives to jump-start stalled corporate XP adoption:
http://www.crn.com/it-channel/18821819

Three years after release, XP uptake still too slow:
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0 [...] 00.htm?r=8

Four long years after XP release, more corporate desktops still using Windows 2000:
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/X [...] Years-End/

Think of it in terms of the cheap bastards running corporate IT nowadays.. PC turnover is what... a 5 year cycle at most places?

But then again, this being Tom's, it must be difficult for even Moderators to refrain from spreading partisan FUD. I had hoped such garbage could at least be contained to the CPU and GPU forums with all the children. But apparently that's a little much to ask for.

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Our Windows Sentinel tracking data shows that 35 percent of mainly enterprise-class users "downgrade" their Vista systems to XP

Well, this does appear to be the source. But they didn't even mention 'enterprise' in the register article!! The Register LOL What a POS ABM dish rag.

Yea, if only 1/3 of Enterprise owners are downgrading that is news - according to Vista haters it's practically EVERYBODY.

What a joke.

Good catch Scott.

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Not surprised really since Vista has been considered junk since it's launch. I mean why use something that eats system recourses and crashes often, when you can use XP that does exactly the same quicker and more stable? I mean it's just common sense really. Vista sucks badly and the article link above comes at no surprise.
I've switched to apple Mac myself, kept the XP system as the spare. I mean Apple works straight out of the box, with none of that Vista bloating. I thought the Mac was all hype, however I soon understood it eats windows for breakfast. My advice buy a MAC!!

To sum up: VISTA SUCKS!!

OH!! ONCE AGAIN!! VISTA SUCKS!!

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To sum up: VISTA SUCKS!!

OH!! ONCE AGAIN!! VISTA SUCKS!!

You see, it's totally unsupported, hate driven, biased BS trolling like this that shows you where all of this is coming from. In the real world Vista is doing great, is way past the early problems caused by the new and superior security model, and the inevitable early driver issues and is actually passing XP in adoption rates, is not buggy at all, and it still kicks Macs A$$ in gaming and pretty much everything else. You see here in the real tech world we test things for ourselves instead of relying on the opinion of actors on TV or on the biased, valley centric, know nothing tech bloggers.

Amazing what hundreds of millions of Apple dollars can do. Mac is OK, if you like that kind of thing, not that there's anything wrong with that . .

hey some idiots got Daddy's $$$ to burn on overpriced systems and can't build their own and they gotta impress those goth girls down at Starbucks while the rest of us are at work.

What's that market share up to now, 4% yet? Watch he'll probably say it's 8% LOL and this will prove something else.

Steve want's to know, how's that Kool Aid tasting?

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To sum up: VISTA SUCKS!!

OH!! ONCE AGAIN!! VISTA SUCKS!!

It's your blind ambition and poor judgement that I call in to question.

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I haven't seen Vista crash once since I started using it... makes me wonder where people get their information. Certainly not from actually trying the product themselves... it's much better to rely on third-hand information, right?

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Zoron wrote :

I haven't seen Vista crash once since I started using it... makes me wonder where people get their information. Certainly not from actually trying the product themselves... it's much better to rely on third-hand information, right?

I totally agree Z, as you know I had issues in the beginning but they were soundcard driver issues which thankfully Creatives Alchemy drivers have finally resolved, so Vista wasn't actually the problem at all during that time period, I also haven't had a crash since I started using Vista that wasn't directly related to OCing and fine tuning settings, which normally will crash any OP/SYS on the planet, until you get your OC dialed in, but since then No Problems.

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techpro wrote :

I mean why use something that eats system recourses and crashes often, when you can use XP that does exactly the same quicker and more stable?

For some reason that brings to mind, the parable of the wolf and the grapes, he tried so hard to get the grapes and couldn't, they were overhead just out of reach, so he thought to himself If I can't have them no one else will either, so he spent his time there telling passers by, the grapes were bad, to discourage anyone else from even trying to get them, sound familiar.

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I mean why use something that eats system recourses and crashes often

Proper amount of system memory for the 32bit or 64bit versions of Vista is most important for system resources.

Most crashes are driver related, and to date have been resolved, by the hardware vendors, but that is not the fault of Vista.

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when you can use XP that does exactly the same quicker and more stable?

Unfortunately thats just flat not true, XP cannot run Direct X 10 so XP cannot do exactly the same, and FYI synthetic benchmark wise, Vista now out performs XP!

Try getting your bashing information from newer articles.

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Vista does scare off some people because its a new operating system and you have to learn how to use it, even though you can actually trim down and configure Vista to mimic XP, or Win2K, or even 98SE if you so desire, but why would you do that?

If all someone does is email and surf the internet, they really don't need Vista anyway, any old clunker OP/SYS with old hardware can do that, Vista is cutting edge stuff, and you may as well jump on the boat, because you will eventually anyway, don't expect MSFT to resurrect XP, they're going forwards not backwards.

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Scotteq wrote :

... But then again, this being Tom's, it must be difficult for even Moderators to refrain from spreading partisan FUD. I had hoped such garbage could at least be contained to the CPU and GPU forums with all the children. But apparently that's a little much to ask for.

Hardly FUD, but whatever. Tell you what scotteq, you buy me a copy of Vista Ultimate 64 ... I'll run it on my new build (now that I have minimum of 4 GB of RAM).

The next new OS that I plan to "learn" is linux ... I don't hate Vista, just don't plan to buy it.

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The headline you posted, Jake, insinuated a third of ALL PCs... not just enterprise PCs as was clearly the case. That sounds a bit FUD-ish to me. Did I mention that the Bank of Nova Scotia still uses Windows 95 on their workstations? This year, they finally plan on deploying Windows XP. Our two other big banks (RBC and CIBC) use Windows 2000 on their workstations. So you'll excuse me if I don't gasp in shock that they're not yet adopting Vista when they haven't even adopted XP for their environments.

So far, TD has been the only bank I've seen that uses XP on their workstations. There are a lot of Credit Unions that have adopted XP... but again, this was a more recent adoption and certainly didn't happen immediately after XP's release.

I suppose to some people, your article is news. To me, it's just more of the same. I don't expect companies still using 10 year-old versions of Windows to suddenly jump on the Vista bandwagon. If people used corporate deployments of OSes to judge when they should upgrade... we'd probably still be using Win 2K or just starting to upgrade to XP.

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Anything from The Register is FUD on the face of it, unless it is verified elsewhere!! That much is proven time and time again.

It isn't that the Vista uptake is great, it's actually sluggish on the enterprise side and many will indeed wait for 7 since it is coming so close on the heels of Vista.

Some of this is warranted due to the complex enterprise ecosystem and the new vista security model which would break a lot of their stuff. They needed an extra compelling reason to switch and I guess the increased security just wasn't quite enough. The OSes out there now are MATURE, they work, so switching is not so automatic anymore.

But a lot of this has to do with FUD too. FUD that elitist and valley-centric, Apple loving and Linux pushing ABM bloggers and writers who represent a very tiny part of the actual tech world have been pushing HARD from their mom's basement bunkers - not to mention the hundreds of millions of Apple dollars that have gone into smearing Vista with baseless and vague claims on TV.

It seems that it is the responsibility of unbiased tech people and (long time tech moderators) to tell the whole story instead of mindlessly playing along in this "lets smear Vista campaign".

BTW, despite the immensely dedicated efforts of certain people Vista 64 is kicking a$$ in the gaming\enthusiast market that Tom's serves. And yes, XP is also still going strong. They are both good.

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