AMD talks up Griffin

Today AMD has released info on it's new Mobile rocessor called Grifin. Griffin, contrary to what many people believed IS NOT based on K10 but on K8. It has several advances that should mae idle power nearly negligible with additional sleep states and the ability to throttle each core independently.

This announcement also makes fools of all those wo doubted the addition of the 4 cycles of latency they SAID was to allow for larger caches at 65nm.

As we all know Brisbane only has 512KB L2 while Griffin has 1MB. I guess they are going to increase the cache after all. Yet another time when Intel fangirls should have listened.


Links everywhere, The Register, Anand, THG, etc.


They also reportedly tweaked the IMC for independent operation and better prefetching. It looks like it is following AMDs usual power before perf mantra but the enancements talked about may provide 10-20% improvement over Turion.

Baron, you forgot the most interesting part Mid-2008.

That is a ways out but I think it's better since they have 65nm Turions shipping now and need to concentrate most of their efforts on K10 and its chipsets.

This sounds most like flame bait. I don't see it making fools of anyone the way it is written.

90nm Toledo and Windsor are capable of handling 1MB L2. A direct shrink into 65nm should likewise handle the same amount of cache with no additional latency, at the same process quality.

But from your description, Griffin sounds like K8 computational cores hooked up to K10 IMC and power circuitry. That power circuitry could be the reason for increasing L2 latency - it's a by-product of being able to clock the separate caches asynchronously.

Why would I be trying to make one company look better than the other? Im not you. Besides, if these chips can make a battery last for 7 hours (they are claiming 5 for the vanilla 65nm chips), that will get more business than if it can do SuperPi in 10 sec.

Cache is not the reason for flaming. It is your tone and the message delivered, curiously deviod of any balance. There is no news out of AMD that means anything right now, because they over promise and under deliver. Until there is a product releasedand and it benches worth a darn, this entire topic is moot.


The fact that this product is not due until mid 2008 errrr.......... 2009, errrr.......... 2010 or whenever they get around to it.

Why would I be trying to make one company look better than the other? Im not you. Besides, if these chips can make a battery last for 7 hours (they are claiming 5 for the vanilla 65nm chips), that will get more business than if it can do SuperPi in 10 sec.

Baron

This does come off as a bit 9-inch-ish.

Dont get riled, unlike him you dont post and run, and you do stay around to defend your perpective. But neglecting to include the fact that release is set for mid 2008 is a glaring omision, and the "many people" and "Intel fangirls" comments lend a decidedly skewed flavor.

The 2008 bit is huge though. They are still working to introduce new K8 products 2 years after C2D. Not particularly heartening news. I hope they plan on supplying them at low costs.

It is a ways off, which brings up another question to me. In these recent mobile announcements, there is no mention of "hawk". This was supposed to be Q2, but then slipped to Q3/Q4 like everything else of AMDs. Had support for Hybrid HDD and had the on-the-fly switch from discrete to integrated video, i believe. I assume DX10 video also, but not sure. Maybe not as impressive as Puma, but as you say, Puma's a ways off.

Is the Puma fanfare to make us forget about a hopelessly delayed Hawk, or is Hawk just not a big enough deal to hype?

Of concern to those like myself who will get a new laptop in the fall...

Well, cmon now Vern, ya have to have a little patience. It takes a lot longer to achieve relability when your busy remaining virginally pure of heart and all that other jazz. Besides, didnt you see the interview....AMD sells "freedom", ( ) not perfromance. At least not when Intel holds the performance crown that is.

There were K8 before with less latency and 1MB L2 per core, so I don't know where the Intel fangirls are wrong.

Maybe it's because the forest is in the way.

I can only wonder why you still have that avatar and location.

After reading through your posts today, I think I will keep my avatar as is for just a bit longer as well.

There were K8 before with less latency and 1MB L2 per core, so I don't know where the Intel fangirls are wrong.

Maybe it's because the forest is in the way.

No, it is because you understand nothing, nothing at all ..... and swallow any excuse AMD provides you as the gospel truth.... the latency is process driven and any excuse otherwise is pure FUD.

BTW, I hear that the dual socket enthusaist part won't support > 4 gigs...


I don't CARE. I guess that would be a good excuse as the 65nm process is redone to be mobile specific. Or vice versa.

FUD is not propping up your products it's devaluing other's products.

-- Henri Richard DigiTimes Inteview March 2006 before the Conroe Benchmarks



It would appear that AMD is engaging in "traditional market tatics"

Nice find. Exquisitely apropos

Flexing the old gigolo muscle are we?

I vote a title change to "Baron Talks Up AMD....again...sigh"

So 'griffin' is the only transitional mobile chip before fusion....

griffin link



i really wanted a k10 mobile core before fusion(see signature below).... How can I go from a core2duo T5600 to a 'griffin'/'puma'? This may end up being a downgrade.... And considering 'griffin' is like 6/12 months away, it REALLY will need a k10 core to be a viable purchase....

purhaps I should email AMD, and express my concerns....

News is news. Flame away. I have flame retardant skin. Look at how long Intel has been promising CSI and dual core Itanium. Is that different? How?I'm absolutely ecstatic that my E6600 doesn't have an IMC. They used the die space for 4MB Cache... and the large L2 combined with off-die MC...i can run DDR-400, and my machine still positively rocks. I don't lose much performance at all...using slower RAM. My RAM isn't even running @ 200MHz(~185MHz@2-2-2-5-1T). Try that on an AM2 K8.


But it's OK for you to make excuses for Intel's lateness? See, you're a dink. I think that Griffin will make a nice splash.

WHat mobo has DDR for C2D?

OK. Perhaps that's why AM3 will supposedly support both. It would have been great had AMD put a dual type controller in AM2, but again, Intel is 10X bigger so AMD may not have had the resources at the time. There is the big joke that Intel has more profit than AMD has revenue every year.

I guess like VernDewd I wish the two companies were closer in revenues, but Intel has been making sure that that doesn't happen even though with the recent numbers for Vista people make note that there are 2X as many PCs being sold now as when XP came out.

So a change in market share balance wouldn't have affected Intel's growth.

Anyway, I'm ranting. I do believe though that the changes for Griffin will be a vast improvement over Turion and with the 65nm chips trickling out at up to 2.4GHz, they will have a good stopgap.

I have a 1.6GHz Turion and it flies even with a 5400RPM HDD, so I can see myself with a TL66 before I upgrade my desktop. Unfortunately, the pinouts will be different so I can't upgrade but could always have two laptops next year.


ALL HAIL THE DUOPOLY!!!

why shuld anyone bother about it? by that time, with k10 n penryn on the market it will make this "new processor" looks old. and i doubt anyone will buy notebooks or even upmc with this slow k8 core.

I would not expect a K8-based architecture can achieve 30% power reduction and 20% performance increase without heavily revamping the core.

I would not expect a K8-based architecture can achieve 30% power reduction and 20% performance increase without heavily revamping the core.

If you read the Toms' article, you will see that they redesigned the North bridge and cores for split plane voltage. Since a majority of the time the CPU won't need to run both cores, they could turn off one core and lower the power of the other core which with the idle efficiency of the current K8 (again see the tom's article).

By allowing the CPU to lower the voltage of RAM and turning down the HT3 links, that will enable excellent office perf with the lowest amount of power.

Redesigning everything for power means they can up the frequency from the current 2.3GHz (TL66). My TL-52 1.6GHz is very snappy for even Visual Studio, so if they get Griffin to 2.7GHz it will be more than competitive.


Griffin




Power

And don't forget the forum (I've forgotten ) where he got owned by a newb (not noob) with 5 post....It's ok to be a fanboy IMO, but with a brain to match...