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was wondering if 32 bit XP Pro will run on a 64 bit system

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The majority of systems running XP pro are most likely 64-bit. Only some extremely expensive chips can't run 32-bit applications, since they are native 64-bit unlike desktop chips.

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No. You will need a version of Unix.

But it will run on a 32 bit processor with 64 bit extensions... Which is what intel and amd mostly produce.

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If you have a true 64-bit system I envy your job as a CEO or politician :lol:

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randomizer wrote :

If you have a true 64-bit system I envy your job as a CEO or politician :lol:



It's just an old Sun One with a Sparc IIi. Nothing to be envious of. Went EOL a year or two ago, so went AWOL in my boot when it was replaced. I'd rather have one of the new Niagara 2's, but can't justify 14K USD.

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croc wrote :

It's just an old Sun One with a Sparc IIi. Nothing to be envious of. Went EOL a year or two ago, so went AWOL in my boot when it was replaced. I'd rather have one of the new Niagara 2's, but can't justify 14K USD.


Well, if you were a CEO or politician I'm sure 14k would be easilty justifiable.

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NO if you are talking about RISC systems. (Sun, SGI, etc)
YES if you are talking about x64 based systems (Athlon, C2D, etc)
I hope someone can explain the difference between a CPU with "64 bit extensions" and a TRUE 64 bit CPU (more abstract than RISC vs. CISC). THANKS!

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caccorsi wrote :

was wondering if 32 bit XP Pro will run on a 64 bit system


Yes.
Any XP 32 bit will...and also 32 bit XP will use alot less RAM and run things faster than Vista as well as never have'n program driver issues of any of the MS 64 bit OS's even XP 64 bit.


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randomizer wrote :

The majority of systems running XP pro are most likely 64-bit. Only some extremely expensive chips can't run 32-bit applications, since they are native 64-bit unlike desktop chips.



Most XP OS are 64 bit?
I don't think so and doubt you can show thats even close to real life.

All programs written for 32 bit XP run....but they do not all run on 64 bit XP even after all these years of supporters of XP 64 bit trying to get the rest of the world "up to speed".

The point is that 64 bit OS for gamers/home/small office is still a joke that developers are not finding funny or bothering to waste development money on....still.

@ this point in time 64 bit OS for -most of the earth- is about the same as Vista owners....next to nothing.

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Message edited by ZOldDude on 04-25-2008 at 08:29:57 AM
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ty for info it will be running a intel E8400 45nm cpu. on a gigabyte p35 mobo. So i was worried that my os wouldn't run on it. But from what all of u say i don't necessarily need to upgrade. ty for all help

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enewmen wrote :

NO if you are talking about RISC systems. (Sun, SGI, etc)
YES if you are talking about x64 based systems (Athlon, C2D, etc)
I hope someone can explain the difference between a CPU with "64 bit extensions" and a TRUE 64 bit CPU (more abstract than RISC vs. CISC). THANKS!



OK, I'll try for a fairly simple explanation...

A 64 bit CPU has the capability of 64^2 instructions. Obviously, far more instructions than any processor needs, hence the 'reduced instruction set'. Its obvious advantage lies in the flat memory model that a 64 bit memory model allows. A 'complex instruction set' CPU is still limited to a 32 bit instruction set, but with 64 bit extensions that require more CPU cycles to execute - essentially two complete CPU cycles to do what would only take one CPU cycle on the RISC processor. Also, the x86 - 64 CPU will require a 32 bit memory model, plus a 32 bit offset to achieve 64 bit memory access, obviously not a flat memory model. There are differences between various RISC processors, but I said 'fairly simple'.

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ZOldDude wrote :

Most XP OS are 64 bit?
I don't think so and doubt you can show thats even close to real life.

All programs written for 32 bit XP run....but they do not all run on 64 bit XP even after all these years of supporters of XP 64 bit trying to get the rest of the world "up to speed".

The point is that 64 bit OS for gamers/home/small office is still a joke that developers are not finding funny or bothering to waste development money on....still.

@ this point in time 64 bit OS for -most of the earth- is about the same as Vista owners....next to nothing.


No, no you misunderstood me. What I mean is that most systems run XP pro (32-bit) are x86-64 machines. So yes, to the average Joe, 32-bit XP Pro will run on a "64-bit" system. Sorry for not being clear.

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Yup, every processor since P4 is 64bit. No need to worry, they run a 32bit version of windows just fine.

ZOldDude, you never cease to amaze me with your FUD. So what your saying is that Linux is HORRIBLE because it gobbles up 100% of RAM available? What you WANT is an operating system to use ALL of the RAM, not some of it. It's there, might as well use it!!

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Agreed, I'd rather XP load Crysis into my RAM while I'm on the net so it starts up straight away, but nooooo, I have to wait for it to load up entirely every single time. At least Vista loads up some of it already, although not all of it.

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randomizer wrote :

No, no you misunderstood me. What I mean is that most systems run XP pro (32-bit) are x86-64 machines. So yes, to the average Joe, 32-bit XP Pro will run on a "64-bit" system. Sorry for not being clear.



Yep, Vista Home Premium 32 is running fine on my Athlon X2 4600+. I do wish I'd gotten the 64 version and worked out the driver and game issues. Some games have arrived that benefit from 4 gigs of RAM and Vista 32's like regular XP in really only benefiting from 3 gigs due to adressing issues.

Still, I have 4 gigs on my wife's XP system (Athlon X2 3800+) but she multitasks more than I do and at least the RAM's getting used by different programs.

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boonality wrote :

Yup, every processor since P4 is 64bit. No need to worry, they run a 32bit version of windows just fine.

ZOldDude, you never cease to amaze me with your FUD. So what your saying is that Linux is HORRIBLE because it gobbles up 100% of RAM available? What you WANT is an operating system to use ALL of the RAM, not some of it. It's there, might as well use it!!



It never ceases to amaze me how some people don't understand the differences between an x86-64 CPU and a true 64 bit CPU. 64 bit extensions do not make an x86 CPU a 64 bit CPU.

While I disagree with ZoldDudes atitude towards Vista and XP 64, I do agree somewhat with his argument that a Linux system that eats up all available RAM is slower at handling program memory allocation than XP, due to not having to always shuffle memory allocation arond. Vsta with 2 GB ram is also guilty of this, somewhat. It takes finite cpu cycles to de-allocate / reallocate memory addresses, even more so in an x86-64 bit CPU. And if a program's memory allocation is sloppy, may result in a BSOD, or a CPU 'race' condition.

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awww.... maybe i should have said 64bit COMPLIANT. does that help?

linux is slower than windows... LOL. I'm sure it is in some cases. Not on average.

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No, that does not go to the core of the differences between x86-64 and a true 64 bit processor. A 64 bit extension instruction set is NOT 64 bit compliant.

Now, as to the speed of your average linux system, load up Word 2003 or 2007 and tell me it is faster...

And don't even go to 'open office' as the lack of compatability is even worse than Mac Office.

What about photoshop on Linux? Slow as... Runs like a striped a$$ ape on my old sparc 2 though, (photoshop 64) one of the reasons that I keep that old boat anchor around.

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Emualtion is ALWAYS slower than native... hence why Word "runs like crap" on Linux. Now use a Linux version of the same program and tell me what you notice.

It's an apples to oranges comparison. Windows programs will never run as well on Linux as they do on Windows... your point is moot.

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croc wrote :

No, that does not go to the core of the differences between x86-64 and a true 64 bit processor. A 64 bit extension instruction set is NOT 64 bit compliant.

Now, as to the speed of your average linux system, load up Word 2003 or 2007 and tell me it is faster...

And don't even go to 'open office' as the lack of compatability is even worse than Mac Office.

What about photoshop on Linux? Slow as... Runs like a striped a$$ ape on my old sparc 2 though, (photoshop 64) one of the reasons that I keep that old boat anchor around.



Just use "Open Office" instead of "MS Office".

I use "Open Office" on Windows by Choice because I think it's a superior product to MS Office.
I have licensed copies of MS Office 2007, I just choose to not load them.

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So does that mean that XP will run on my Commadore 64?

Hey ... it's Friday!!!!

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Also, x86-64 is more than a mere "instruction set". It is "true" 64-bit. (Whatever that means). If you can run 64-bit code with a 64-bit OS, then you are running a "true" 64-bit processor. The ONLY difference between x86-64 and RISC (or Intel's Itanic) is that the x86-64 processor still has a 32-bit mode for backward compatibility with 32-bit code... it doesn't need an emulator like the Itanium.

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Incidentally, the Power PC chips that Apple used in the past were also 32-bit... it was around the time that AMD suggested x86-64 when Apple decided to start using 64-bit PPC chips. Of course, they now use Intel Core2 chips... which are x86-64.

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zenmaster wrote :

Just use "Open Office" instead of "MS Office".

I use "Open Office" on Windows by Choice because I think it's a superior product to MS Office.
I have licensed copies of MS Office 2007, I just choose to not load them.


Open Office on Vista FTW! Free software FTW!

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randomizer wrote :

No, no you misunderstood me. What I mean is that most systems run XP pro (32-bit) are x86-64 machines. So yes, to the average Joe, 32-bit XP Pro will run on a "64-bit" system. Sorry for not being clear.

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