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March 2008: is Vista worth it?

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As of March 2008, is Vista worth buying, or should you stick with good old XP Pro?


 
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Yes, get Vista, the bugs are fixed.
 
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Yes, the benifits out-weigh the current negative issues.
 
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No, the negatives out-weigh the benefits.
 
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No, avoid Vista like the plague.

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I have been able to avoid Vista up till now, but I've hit a snag. My fiancee needs to buy a new laptop, I was planning to go with a brand I have been happy with in the past (namely Dell and Lenovo). However, both companies don't seem to have the XP option, unless you buy a more expensive customized laptop.

This is frustrating to me, as most people I know who have worked with Vista compare it to Windows ME (ie it is a disaster). Two friends who got Vista on their Lenovos have already wiped the hard-disk and installed XP Pro instead. I could go this way and buy XP 3rd party, but it seems rather annoying that the computer manufacturers will not provide an operating system that you want for low cost.

So I'm curious whether other people would suggest Vista, opinions on Vista, or whether Microsoft has turned Vista around (such as with a "service pack 1" ).

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I use Vista on my main desktop and my laptop. I have experienced no problems beyond the minor glitch you would expect with a new OS and as each new driver and fix is released things have gotten better. For me Vista is much preferable to XP. However, I still like XP and regard it as a very safe and viable choice. It's 6 years mature and works with anything - at least for now.

I run Vista 64 on a powerful desktop with 8 gig ram. My laptop is much less powerful but has 2 gig ram at least. Both are new.

Your experience may simply depend on your hardware and your environment. If you need to get on a corporate network or run proprietary or older apps or if you need legacy hardware support, say for an old printer or scanner for example, you just MIGHT hit a wall with Vista. This can be a real problem for businesses and I think they are doing the right thing by waiting. Yet, Vista will probably work fine for them too in most cases. This 'maybe' is probably what is stopping a lot of business users from going to Vista.

The reports you hear about Vista being slow or buggy have me scratching my head. I simply have not seen it myself or heard any compelling, recent!, accounts of others experience of it. I wonder if many of these complaining users have attempted to run Vista on old PCs they tried to upgrade, or with Aero enabled on 512 RAM machines or else tried Vista shortly after it's release, or else were simply so used to XP that they rejected Vista because it is new and different. Some don't like the pop-up UAC interrupts but this division of the OS into user mode and kernel mode is something Linux and Mac have already been doing and it is MUCH more secure. The pent up MS hate is a big part of the backlash against Vista - do not doubt that for a second! A lot of the negative reports are no doubt from very vocal, tin hatted Mac and Linux users just spreading the usual FUD. They can have their %5 woldwide.

Considering the above caveats I'd get Vista if I were you but I would get at least 2 gig RAM and be sure to get a nice Intel Core 2 duo. XP is safe, Vista (or its blood brothers who will follow it) are the future.

Just don't fear Vista. That's just silly. It's doing fine now. You always hear about the problems. The happy people don't squawk so loud. It was the same when XP came out.


Message edited by notherdude on 03-02-2008 at 04:37:42 PM
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notherdude u have an old hand. Having an old hand doesnt make sence. Cuz its old. get a new one.. seems like ur hand doesnt understand what it is writing. So placve it in ur rig instead of vista human orgnoids will amke more sense
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Really great advice and awareness. I talked to an old tech friend of mine recently and asked him what he was doing. He said He's installing VISTA operating systems for the county's Metropolitian Water District.

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Thanks for the advice, I will take it into consideration. I see your points, but on the other hand my own sources are saying the opposite. The problem is that these arguments were also made about ME when it came out, and then it was trashed and a new OP (ie XP) was put out in its place. And everyone with ME was forced to buy the new OP or face massive difficulties.

All I know is that I work inside a university, and our own tech/IT people are telling me Vista is rubbish. And my colleagues have all found that it causes vital software (such as NI Labview) to crash (no, not the old versions, the 2007/08 versions). Of course, the IT community often favors Mac and Linux platforms for the reasons you state above, that they are safer and more stable. The argument does go both ways, as you could say that IT people are knowledgeable about the new Vista architecture as they are familiar with Mac/Linux - and if they claim Vista is built like rubbish than maybe it is - but at the same time they could also be biased against MS because they prefer Mac/Linux.

Again, thanks for posting, it is really helpful to get outside opinions.

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Win ME had documented 'bugs', IIRC, though documenting this stuff is not easy with so many different configurations and environments. The problems Vista OTOH were/are caused by poor/unavailable drivers and applications which have been late to issue updated versions. And also by some crappy PCs which were forced into Vista 'capability'. These are real problems of course but a year has passed and the driver situation is vastly improved and MOST applications are available in versions perfectly compatible with Vista.

The problem in large organizations such as corporations and universities is that they have deeply entrenched hardware/software which is not so easy to upgrade without major trauma and expense and more complex systems in general. A new OS is going to take time there. Vista may not offer them enough to warrant the switch and no doubt they resent being forced to by MS.

Vista 'rubbish'? The marketing of Vista, yes. The rushed out drivers and apps and crappy PC's, yes. But Vista itself is sound, IMO. I'd like to see people who say Vista sucks back up that opinion with more hard data. IT shops can be some of the most stubborn and out of touch people I have seen. They tend to ape what they have heard. They also wish to avoid any risk at all which will just mean more problems for them to solve at very little gain. This is actually a sound policy, to a point. Better safe than sorry.


Message edited by notherdude on 03-03-2008 at 03:41:36 PM
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notherdude u have an old hand. Having an old hand doesnt make sence. Cuz its old. get a new one.. seems like ur hand doesnt understand what it is writing. So placve it in ur rig instead of vista human orgnoids will amke more sense
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Last week I worked on a friend's XP notebook. She had never downloaded and installed SP2 and had been using the laptop for many years. I had 'fixed' her laptop on occasion in the past, running a registry repair and stopping the pop up errors and such. She complained about 'online instability' and said she had to constantly 'reformat and reload the system CD.' Anyway...I loaded it up for her with SP2 and all the hundrerds and hundreds of XP patches (is it 1500-1600 by now). Put on an AV program and also upgraded her RAM form 512Mb to 1GB. Her XP notebook is fine so far. It all reminded me of when I got my first very first system with Windows XP installed. An HP notebook with XP Pro and 256MB of RAM!!!!! Gawd was that thing rubbish. Start menu took 30 seconds or more to show up on the screen after clicking on 'start' if I had a couple of explorers open. I have since added 512 MB RAM, latest BIOS, etc. and still use the notebook from time to time. Like Notherdude said, for some sectors of industry revamping their deeply entrenched XP driven software/hardware to Vista machines is not so easily done. For example, I remember when the DOT Department of Transportation announced the organization would not be updating their 500,000 computer systems to VISTA when VISTA was released.

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The only big grip I have is Vista won't let me play my Blood2:The Chosen no matter what computability setting I have it on. It constantly says, Cannot run on NT incompatible OS. But the game is old as dirt so It wasn't a huge loss. Plus Vista is a little more user friendly, the error reporting tool actually provides useful suggestion, such as hey, your computer crashed because Mcafee AV is garbage, or hey, your OC'd too much and crashed me. Obviously not quoted but it was impressive compared to XP's useless reports. Also PnP is much better in Vista IMO.

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badge wrote :

Like Notherdude said, for some sectors of industry revamping their deeply entrenched XP driven software/hardware to Vista machines is not so easily done. For example, I remember when the DOT Department of Transportation announced the organization would not be updating their 500,000 computer systems to VISTA when VISTA was released.



Good point, history always repeats itself, and I'm sure one day the DOT won't go to the next OS once they trance themselves with Vista...then again some systems like were I used to work(Sales type of place like BestBuy) used a POS(point of sales) system that was older than me...

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Comparing Vista to ME is a very big exageration. My parents had a computer with ME on it for about 5 years. Every break from school I was home I spent at LEAST half my time fixing the thing. Literally. They bought a new computer about a year ago with Vista on it. They have not had to call me once to fix anything. Nor am I having to work my magic on it whenever I visit them now. Vista is in NO way the new ME.

Now compared to XP its not so cut and dry as XP was (is) a very stable and strong OS. However, now that vista has had a year to mature, the way I see it if youre going to buy a new OS get Vista. Don't spend the money to upgrade an existing install to Vista, but don't gimp yourself in the future or waste money by buying XP based on bias to change.

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I also have a very positive experience with Vista. I have a fairly high-end PC (Intel quad-core, 8GB RAM, 8-series GPU, fast disk system), which I have built with Vista in mind, so that may have played a role. That does not mean that all this computer muscle is needed just to run Vista - I can do things on my computer that would be impossible with my previous XP machine. From my point of view and in my experience, there are two main improvements compared to the previous Windows OS:

1) Vista can use the resources much more intelligently where it matters - the new memory management system really works and various background services do not get in the way of actual applications.
2) Vista does not need the fiddling and fine-tuning that was necessary with Win Xp's - it is ready to go directly out of the box.

On my computer, Vista is very stable (not a single OS crash so far) and if I compare it to the computer that I bought for Win XP all those years ago, which cost much more money, it is much faster with current applications than XP was with the then-new applications.





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I have a decently quick PC. AMD x2 4000, 2gb RAM, nvidia 7900gs. I dual boot both because of some of the weird issues I've had with Vista. Issues include horribly slow file transfer rates, sometimes media player won't even open up, plays, but doesn't open. Codec issues, just slow sometimes. Now the good thing about having XP dual booted is I can restart and go back into it. XP seems soo much faster to me, maybe because I don't have a top of the line PC and able to use vista like it should be used...

Either way, I have now installed SP1 clean install and I'm so far pleased at the changes. File transfer rate is still not as fast as XP, but better. Seems to be quicker response time when opening anything.
I also am dual booting xp rc2 sp3, and am very pleased with it as well. On my PC, XP seems to be a lot faster in general than vista, but I am starting to like Vista...it's growing on me

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Now knowing that Windows 7 will be out in late '09, 1H '10, is it worth it?

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ocguy31 wrote :

Now knowing that Windows 7 will be out in late '09, 1H '10, is it worth it?


Do you know Microsoft? :D

If they say a release date for something, it's normally a way further. Which major application has been released right on initial schedule or before?

Any version of Windows, SQL Server, Office, whatever...

In the case of Vista, they had to remove or drop features to have it, late...

So, I believe Vista worth it for now and I'm happy with it.

Who will 3 to 4 years with XP just waiting for Win7? If they do not upgrade to Vista now, why would they upgrade to Win7? They will say yes, but will wait for Win7SP1, but wait, Win 8 is around the corner! :o

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ocguy31 wrote :

Now knowing that Windows 7 will be out in late '09, 1H '10, is it worth it?



1H 2010, at the earliest.

If you already have a computer running XP, then yeah, there's no "Killer App" in Vista (unless you count free Speech Recognition) to drive you to the upgrade. But if you're building a new computer, why bother with the older OS??? Contrary to all the hyperbole, Vista *does* work.

Also, know the same argument as yours keeps repeating every time there's a new version of Windows.

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loneeagle wrote :

Do you know Microsoft? :D

If they say a release date for something, it's normally a way further. Which major application has been released right on initial schedule or before?

Any version of Windows, SQL Server, Office, whatever...

In the case of Vista, they had to remove or drop features to have it, late...

So, I believe Vista worth it for now and I'm happy with it.

Who will 3 to 4 years with XP just waiting for Win7? If they do not upgrade to Vista now, why would they upgrade to Win7? They will say yes, but will wait for Win7SP1, but wait, Win 8 is around the corner! :o


But XP will rule all until Win10 :lol:

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vangvace wrote :

But XP will rule all until Win10 :lol:



I believe by then, vista 64, a much better cousin of vista 32-bit version will dominate 09-10

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no reason to upgrade to vista on an existing computer, but if you are building a new computer, go vista. its newer and doesnt suck like a lot of people say

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Vista is pretty.

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Yes pretty.

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For people that believe Vista does not worth it...

Now that Vista SP1 is out, will that change your mind?

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I gave the Vista/XP decision much thought before buying my new rig... I am VERY happy with Vista 64. It works great, and only my 8 year old scanner didn't work.

Sure there are a few older games that don't like it... but anything new I've gotten (and since it was a new rig, its almost all new) works like a dream.

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I haven't had many problems with Vista so far... I'll see how SP1 goes :sweat:


Message edited by physx7 on 03-20-2008 at 12:42:20 AM
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