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Dvorak: Windows Vista Solves Nothing

"The most interesting by far is that very few people have jumped on the Windows Vista bandwagon. (Duh!) The market share for operating systems is still led by Windows XP, at 83.5 percent, followed by Windows 2000, with 3.9 percent. The Mac OS comes in third, with 3.7 percent, followed by Vista, with 3.5 percent."

When Bad Ideas Go Bust

All I will say on this is all OS's have had their strengths and weaknesses. Which weaknesses you want to overcome is up to you.

Here is one for you guys I install Vista Business 64 almost two days after the RTM. Installed loaded up stuff and installed things. Guess what the boot time is about the same actually faster because it's not in indexing mode. Can't do that in XP.

As for gaming I triple boot and in the games that I play CoH and WiC there isn't a 50% not even close may 10-20%. That's my personal experience at home DX9 vs DX10. The 3rd boot is Vista 64 Ultimate, a complete waste of money.

At the office I been running Vista 32 Business about the same amount of time and it certainly improves my productivity. Mainly from the search feature. Could that be added to XP sure but the OS would still slow down over time. As for why business aren't upgrading there is a paradigm shift to vitalization and thin clients going on. Unlike before the technology is there and so is the ROI. Funny in a way how a $140 solid state device might bring down M$. Hey what do I know I've only been in the IT field 15 years.

As for me I would never want to go back to XP nor would I recommend someone with old hardware move to Vista. On the other hand I wouldn't suggest the average person buying a new PC without Vista.

I nominate this thread be moved to an appropriate section. No way shape or form about graphics and displays any more.

Done.

Is it possible that the performance difference could be that gaming programmers know all the tricks to DX9, and they're still trying to figure out DX10?

I think all this Vista hating comes from people being afraid to install it and get **** over, so they rely on "MaximumPC" for an opinion.

Vista is so incredibly network friendly it is unreal. This is was something that I have found to be one of the best features of the OS. (I am currently an MIS major so this area of the OS is important for me, lol), but on the gaming thing. I have run a few benchmarks and i see a 5% decrease on 3dmark06, average of 3 - 6 fps gain in source games on vista, and other games that I have not tested have run the same frame wise, but the only reason for me to run them in vista is that they seem more stable. The only problem I have ran into is the occasional driver to game problem in vista and it isnt related to performance, but rather just not letting me open the game. Usually an update or hotfix solves the problem. It does look nicer and has alot of cool features, but what gets it for me is that it seems to multitask better. I have heard that it uses multicore cpus better and this is probably the reason for it. As far as memory goes I find the performance similar to running XP with 1 - 1.5gb of ram (when compared to vista with 2gb) so I havent had problems yet. I just want to run UT3 @ full everything and 60fps. I may goes as far as to get a damn physics card because I just want everything out of that game and engine as possble. lol sry...I just love the game and everyone should go download the beta demo!

Best,

3Ball

There is no clear answer on this other than perception and what is going in the market place. If a product performs poorly for what ever reason, the market will adapt or go somewhere else. Something is wrong somewhere as i dont want to go vista or apple. But linux is looking better.

Hi Guys,

I just wanted to post the results of the original post.
As I'm sure not many have actually read the article quoted.

This was just for information as I said, and has turned into a little flame-war, and since been moved to a different topic.

But as I say, the point was to highlight the performance difference between Vista.

Now keep in mind we are talking about testing on High-End PC's here (specs below) so there is no reason for Vista to have such bad results.
The spec given are well above the minimum requirements for Vista, if not even well ABOVE the recommended specs for Vista.

With that said, check out the specs and the results and make your own judgements.

Test Bed:
Intel Core Extreme X6800 (2.93Ghz Quad)
EVGA 680i SLi Motherboard
Corsair 2GB DDR2 RAM

Results:
Company of Heros (XP, Vista)
8800 GTS 640MB - (42.3, 20.2)
8800 GTX 768MB - (52.3, 26.2)

World In Conflict (XP, Vista)
8800 GTS 640MB - (23, 16)
8800 GTX 768MB - (31, 22)

Lost Planet (XP, Vista)
8800 GTS 640MB - (26, 12)
8800 GTX 768MB - (38, 18)

Anyone disagree that is an average 50% dive in performance for an OS running on well over recommended requirements ?

And just for those who still know how to laugh about life,
check out this Vista Video:
http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=741891990

I am not disagreeing with what they recieved, but with my system in my sig on 2 of those games, World in Conflict (demo) and company of heroes my FPS rates are within 2 - 5 of each other on the same settings with my dual boot. Vista most of the time ahead by the 2 - 5 fps in WiC. I dont distrust those results, but i cant disregard my own either! Have tried lost planet other than the demo on winXP and I managed about 20 FPS on my res, so I didnt get it!

Best,

3Ball

I really don't give a **** about benchmarks. All I care is weather or not it meets my needs. And it does just fine.

I am kind of the go to guy with my friends/family/co-workers, and I have had a lot of people ask me what I think about Vista. Having never have used it, I didn't really have a valid opinion. All I could say was, there are a ton of people that hate it. I decided that the only way to know for sure if it was as bad as everyone says it is, was to buy it myself... So I picked up a copy of Home Premium.

I got into this not really caring if it was good or bad, I just wanted to experience it, and understand it for myself. So many people tell me that it's such a horrible OS. It's a memory hog, or it crashes all the time. It's funny because I used to hear the same thing about XP, and honestly, I have never had a blue screen with XP. So far, Vista has been great, really. I did not run into any driver issues, no glitches or crashes. It's been running very stable for the month that I've had it.

The biggest complaint I hear is about system requirements, mainly RAM. And if you read and understand SuperFetch, then it wouldn't be an issue for you. If you don't want you OS making good use RAM that's not being used anyway, then simply turn it off. I have 1gig of RAM and it runs just fine for me. Of course I don't play the super memory hogs like Oblivion and such.

I guess what I'm getting at is don't just jump on the Anti-Vista bandwagon without ever even using it. Go ahead and hate it, but not because your favorite magazine/website says it's a POS. Just because it's written doesn't make it true.

Hmmmmm...

Looks like you're the one that started "throwing abuse" (whatever that means). Now I'm not going to stand here and claim that Vista is God's gift to geeks; however, I'm not going to play Chicken Little and jump to all sorts of conclusions on the basis of one or two articles.

Vista is what you make of it. Some people think it sucks and others prefer it over XP. I'm not going to tell you what you should think... but in MY opinion... you're going a little overboard on the basis of that ONE article. Form your own opinion... don't let others dictate it to you.

Also, if you're comparing DX9 performance in XP to DX10 performance in Vista; you're comparing apples to oranges. (In other words... nice try). Force those games to run in DX9 mode and THEN complain if the benchmarks are different. If you can't do a fair apples to apples comparison, then don't expect anyone to take your results seriously.

(And that goes for MaximumPC as well... it's a shame they couldn't pull their collective heads from their collective butts and realize they were comparing DX9 to DX10 instead of XP to Vista)

08nwsula is right, you should all stop your arguing.

Rants are great to get annoying things off your brain. But, here are the facts:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/l [...] fault.mspx

This is the life cycle on licenses for all their windows products, excluding vista. Your going to be FORCED to upgrade eventually...

Until money isn't the object, Microsoft will continue to dominate. Good luck trying to get big titles on a open source OS.

LINUX ... ???

Speak for yourself, I'm happy with Vista the way it is now.