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I am sorry since I have seen a million of these in the past but I am finally building my new rig let me know what you think and if you have any suggestions.

Motherboard: Asus P5W DH Deluxe http://www.newegg.com/product/prod [...] 6813131025

Power Supply: ThremalTake Toughpower 700w modular cables http://www.newegg.com/product/prod [...] 6817153039

Cpu E6600 Retail

Case: TT Armor with 25cm side fan

GPU: Foxconn 8800 GTS 640MB version

Ram: G.Skill ram 3GB ram in matched pairs (2x1gb and 2x512mb) http://www.newegg.com/product/prod [...] 6820231098

Speakers: Logitech THX Z- 5300E: http://www.newegg.com/product/prod [...] 6836121121

and Hard Drives: One Seagate Barracuda 160GB: http://www.newegg.com/product/prod [...] 6822148230

And a SAMSUNG SpinPoint T Series 500GB: http://www.newegg.com/product/prod [...] 6822152052

I am also going to get XP Pro I have mmk already and a Creative soundblaster Live! platinum for a sound card.

My first question was above, what does this build look like should I change anything etc. Keep in mind I only game at around 1024x768 maybe a bit higher I got the GPU to let me "future proof" it for a few years as I do not mind sub par "eye candy"I am ordering in the next week or so so input would be helpful. Again sorry for the 10 billionth "my new build thread"

edit: changed to TT Toughpower 700w PSU and changed speaker selection

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There nothing wrong with the build. You could probably would be OK with a 6400 rather than the 6600. While I'm not a gamer, that card looks pretty high end for the resolution you're playing at. If money isn't a series issue, may as well go for a bit of overkill. :D

Reply to g-paw

I think you either should get a newer monitor or save tons of money on the gfx card and just buy the crap 8600 ultra instead, you definitely won't need an 8800gts of either version for 10*7 gaming. The 8600 ultra will be pretty future proof for a pretty low par 10*7, at least do 12*10 to justify buying the more expensive version of the card, seriously

Overall it looks pretty good

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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Just don't get it from foxconn, I read they are no longer providing customer support (that or they soon won't provide any) in the US, buy from a "better" brand such as eVGA, BFG, or XFX.

Reply to emp

They aren't, well at least they offer cheap products to make up for it, but I would rather go with evga since they offer a cheap product that performs well too

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

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Just don't get it from foxconn, I read they are no longer providing customer support (that or they soon won't provide any) in the US, buy from a "better" brand such as eVGA, BFG, or XFX.


Instead buy from a brand that buys from Foxconn and puts their stickers on it like eVGA or XFX :) .

No seriously customer service is important, I just thought calling those "better" brands was a little funny. (I'm not sure BFG uses Foxconn as OEM but eVGA and XFX are known to.)

Reply to senor_bob

ok only one thing i would get an eVGA GPU instead better quality =]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814130071 $389.99 --> $359.99 after mail in rebate

LIFE TIME WARRANTY WOOOOO!!!!

Reply to GoldenRiver

I know the card is pretty over kill for the rather low res I normally game at but the way I look at it I can spend that now and use it for years and run most games maxed out for some time. I dont upgrade often I am moving from a 1Ghz Thunderbird from 2000 so this is a MASSIVE leap forward. LOL

Reply to biohazard420420

well im using my dads old computer right now... its a pentium 2..... don't even ask lol... it has 128 mb of ram and 400 mhz processing speedlol so don't complain >_> even the damn school computers are better lols

Reply to GoldenRiver

Hmm, well, that makes it a bit hard to say what would be the smart way to do this, such a powerful card today, but 2 years down the road... Think of it this way, I own a 6600gt that is currently about 3 years old, but I'm able to still play a lot of games at 1600*1200 even with some detail enhancements, such as half life 2 and get a very nice 70fps (though that's because I have a dual core and it's multithreaded game) and sometimes over 200fps when I'm not moving in a small area. I can't say I've played fear on my computer or any recent games, but my friend can play almost all games but oblivion at a decent 1280*1024 with hardly any lag on integrated gfx, so you're giving the future games too much credit. I'd only get this card over the 8600gts/ultra if you plan on getting a slightly bigger display down the road with a bigger resolution, at least 1440*900 to say the least

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

Well to be honest if I can find a good used 19" CRT (I am a big CRT fan by the way) I am going to get it and run dual monitors. But until then like I said above I am just trying to get the longest run on a single card I can, while it wont last forever I will at least be able to game and the relativly low res I normally do (which also tends to be more cpu bound performance wise) or higher for quite some time. I honestly don't mind having every bell and whistle enabled when I game so lowering the settings is just fine with me to get decent performance, plus if in the future I do decide to move to a higher res I can just run SLI (yes I know the mobo I am getting is not an SLI board)

Reply to biohazard420420

Hey now my current rig is not to far from that at all actually. As a matter of fact it was origonaly almost identical to that I had the same ram and cpu but I had a Voodoo 2 vid card. Then I upgraded to my current rig an AMD Thunderbird 1ghz, 512MB pc100 ram and a Geforce2 vid card, then I bought a Ati 9200 agp 4x card from a co worker for like 3 bucks about a year ago. And now since I can't really upgrade this much anymore at least not cost effectively I am going for the ground up build posted above. Needless to say it is going to be a MASSIVE change from what I have now I plan on ordering sometime next week.

Actually slightly funny side story. I told my mom I was buying a new pc (im 27 by the way) she does website design for texas A&M and she was telling me to check out Dell since my new rig is just under 2 grand. I have no problem with Dell they do build good computers especially for those who aren't really familiar with the components or who only do email or word processing but if you want to game or do video editing you can get a better price building yourself and so just to ease her mind I went and priced something similar and it was 2500 not including shipping, and that was with a 7900gs vid card and 667mhz ram. I tried telling her you would be hard pressed to get a comparable system for what I am paying from any other retailer.

Reply to biohazard420420

Hnn, I don't know if that sli plan will necessarily work, since the price of a new mobo with a card taht will still probably be $200 a year down the road would end up as much as just buying a new card. If you are planning to do that, the 8800gtx would be teh safest card to pick, or the r600/8900 cards

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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Matched "pairs" for 3 gigs? Math doesn't add up.........besides, you only need 2 gigs, more than that is a waste.

Your build is very good. You might want to consider the 320mb version of the GTS though.

However, your next purchase should DEFINITELY be a new monitor, 19" minimum, 22" preferred. Your monitor will outlast 2 systems, this one and the next.....it's often overlooked. You look at it ALL the time when you use your computer, and yes this is overkill for 1024 rez but your idea of "future proof-ish" is a good one.....however, it will all be an utter WASTE if you don't use that horsepower with a better monitor.

Basically what I'm saying is, if you have no plans to get a new monitor, then get a cheaper setup (primarily GPU). However, if you plan to add a new monitor (why not use 2?!?!!!) then your setup looks great.

Reply to skyguy

ok, just saying this a) for your benefit and b) for future proofing, GET A BIGGER HARD DRIVE. You will easily find ways to fill a 160GB hard drive, seriously, get a 320GB seagate hard drive, they are cheap and probably perform as well as your one you are "getting" now.

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822148140

Reply to rammedstein

Actually the ram is one matched pair totaling 2 gigs and 1 matched pair totaling 1 gig. And sometime in the future I am looking to get like a 19" crt and run dual monitors as you mentioned. Always wanted to run 2 since I used a dual set up at a summer camp many years ago.

Reply to biohazard420420

That's not what skyguy meant, you're performance actually suffers when you don't match the memory, so you either go 1gb, 2gb, 4gb, or 8gb if you want lots of memory

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

Oh really I thought as long as you used matched pairs i.e. 2gb (2x1gb) and the additional 1gb (2x512mb) it would improve performance however small if any. But wouldn't it give me more memory headroom? I tend to run many applications at the same time for instance right now I am running winamp, yahoo messenger, a torrent program, email (with active virus scanning), seti@home (similar to folding@home) and fire fox with 7 tabs, I also tend to do audio editing and mixing with Acid Pro using rather large tracks (3 to 10 mb a piece with anywhere from 2 to 6 tracks) wouldn't the additional ram help with that?

Reply to biohazard420420

It might, but from what I've seen you actualy lose performance from not having matched pairs, but since you are just using it for a gazillion programs, I suppose it would only help, but not for 3dmarks or anything like that

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

Well it would still be matched pair one matched pair for the 2gb and one matched pair for the 1gb so i can stay running dual channel unless you are referring to the matched pairs being different sizes. I did want to add that since I know I just like you have seen countless hundreds of the "rate my new rig" posts shouldn't the just add a "My new Rig" section to the forums so at least they would all be consolidated.

Reply to biohazard420420

It would even if you ran dual channels, you'd want each want the dual channels to be matched, which is what the other person was saying. So we're referring to the matched pairs not being the same size

Making a new rig section in forums would be something nice, I've seen way too many of those and each time they make the same mistakes, and you'd think they do a bit of research or at least not be so lazy that they expect us to do the research, now that just makes me mad, when someone comes to me for help even random people pm me all the time, and I don't have any problem with that, though what gets annoying is when some people expect me to do all the work for them, and I wonder if they have any manners or ethics at all

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

Ok I did not know that having matched pair of different sizes made a difference. I can understand your point with people not doing their own research, I peronsally used this site and forum as well as others to work on what I wanted for my new build. I read reviews and posts in the forums to help educate me as well as just learning new info in general in regards to pc's. There is always someone here who can teach you something new if you just put forth a little effort.

Reply to biohazard420420

Yeah, most people don't know that, but it shouldn't hurt you too much, so I'd leave the sticks in there since it will help with everything but benchmarking from what I've seen anyways.

People like me are always happy to help out, but we expect a bit of effort coming from the other side too, if I don't see that, then I'm not going to bother with the person because I don't see any point to waste my time for someone taht's not grateful for the help. As long as you continue what you're doing and doing most of the research on your own then checking with forums with questions and what not, I think you'll be fine

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

Thanks I do try to get as much info on my own if possible. I have kind of wanted to get the 3gb's just to give me a little more room to work with. Thanks for your help and your posts are always a good read you grape ape etc all provide a great deal of knowledge to the rest of us.

Reply to biohazard420420

no problem, a lot of us here just love to help out :wink:

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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*slips on highjacker's mask*
Whats up taco. :tongue:

Reply to Everett
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Hey tool, seen some of the crazy ski videos you linked. All I can say is ANIMALS! 8)

Reply to Everett

Nothing much, just got the g7 in, testing out whether paying the extra money was worth it. Seeing how well it glides and how comfertable it is compared to the copperhead I tried at BB, I think it's a good buy so far, but I'm kinda debating whether it's actually worth $70 seeing as the dpi increase/decrease isn't all that it's hyped up to be

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

Taco I just thought of something that might be useful sorry to pull the lazy ass card on this one but do you have any reccomendations of a few good programs to give my new rig the once over to spot any trouble spots. I just got memtest86+ and cpuz do you know of any others that might be useful? Oh and woohoo had my thread hijacked. LOL

Reply to biohazard420420

What do mean by programs? What type, security, software in general, ocing software?

A few important ones I always get are ad aware personal, spybot search and destroy, aol active virus scan (it's actually kaseperesky's product with aol's name on it and it's completely free), speedfan is a useful one, coretemp is another nice one to have, orthos or prime95 (though orthos can stress all the cores on a cpu while prime95 cannot-orthos is actually a modded version of prime95), firefox or opera are nice browsers, and always update to ie7 and wmp11.

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

Sorry I wasn't more specific mainly programs for doing a bit of diagnostic work to make sure the system is in good shape before I start downloading the main bunch of programs (firefox, zonealarm, spybot s&d, ad aware, etc) Just want to give it a good once over to make sure my components are in good shape.

Reply to biohazard420420

I wouldn't worry about it much, perhaps run orthos over night to make sure your computer is 1005 stable if you oc'd it, but besides that, I wouldn't worry about it too much :wink:

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

Cool thanks I actually don't plan on any overclocking however much I would like try it and frankly if I ever get in a position where I can afford it I will definately give it a go. I rarely upgrade so I lean more for longevity than speed which is why I am going a bit overkill compared to what I could get to just get by. The way I figure is by going big (for me at least) now I can get a longer life out of the system before needing better equipment. Plus getting into the lga775 I should get a pretty long life of upgrade ability until intel switches sockets. I have been following computers since I was about 18 im 27 now by the way and this seems to be the perfect time to do a major rebuild, the hardware being put out right now gives you so many options to get a powerful rig on the cheap compared to a few years ago. Plus with the lga775 intel is going to have a great series of cpu's coming down the line that all use it (until the socket switch of course) and that gives me a great upgrade path in the future assuming bios updates to handle the new cpus. All in all I am really glad I can build it now and didn't do it a few years ago.

Reply to biohazard420420

The answers to all your questions..(I'm heading off to bed now, the squirrel will help you out until I can return tomorrow 8O )
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Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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This might help, it also has temp readings and benchmarking tools for almost all of your hardware. :wink:

Reply to Everett

I'm glad to see the random squirrels managed to help you out :tongue:

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

What can I say funny squirrels and/or midgets do tend to make everything better. LOL

Reply to biohazard420420

Well folks thanks for your help I just finished my purchase of my new rig all $2002 dollars worth (including shipping) here is the final set up I went with:

ThermalTake Armor case with the 25cm side fan
Asus P5N-E SLI 650i mobo
Intel Core2Duo E6600
G.skill ddr2 ram 800mhz (2x1gb set and 2x512mb set)
36gb Raptor SATA HDD
2 500 gb Samsung spinpoint HDD's
EVGA 8800gts 640mb
ThermalTake ToughPower 700W psu
XP home oem
Creative G500 5.1 GigaWorks ProGamer Speakers

Hope you all like my final build you all definitely helped alot. I should get it friday or monday. Woohoo new computer. It is going to be a MASSIVE change from the I have now:
AMD Thunderbird 1ghz
Unknown mobo
512mb pc100 ram
ATI 9200

Reply to biohazard420420

Nice, though I'm wondering how did all of that cost $2k? I've seen e6600 650i builds for far less than that before, though it's the things like the raptors that add price quickly (which btw is now completely uselss, because the newer 7200.10 drives are competing with the 150gb raptor for load times, now just the data transfer rates for huge files are the main difference, but hitachi's tb drive fixed that)

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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8O

my 680i build cost 300 more.. and that's because of the 22" samsung 226bw. that's a hefty sum, mate!

Reply to hieuhef

Agreed, for that price, I would have gotten an e6700 instead and had juni117 @ xs build me a custom phase change that's all internal in the pc-v2000b case by lian li, get 2/4gigs of some crucial 1066mem that's on sale for just $130 right now, and then a p35 mobo with a smaller phase change for the nb and gfx, so that would take you to around $1400 if you went all out with the phase change stuff, get a cheap 500gb 7200.10 drive, those outperform the barracudas and are on par on most things with the raptor now, and finally a single r600xt, you can xfire it down the road, and it's supposed to be cheaper than the 8800gts 640mb, which it outperforms and you really don't need the gtx's power with the exception fsX, and oblivion really unless you have a massive 19200*1200 24" display

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

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Ok I did not know that having matched pair of different sizes made a difference. .



It doesn't make a difference for Intel boards. If the two pairs are both, say DDR2-800, and the same chips, though different sizes, they are as stable as either pair alone in regards to voltages, latency, and overclocking. Reduced performance with two rams on each channel only applies to AMD sets, as a limitation of the Athlon CPU's onboard controller. 3 gigs is a sweet spot for Win-32. Four gigs can only be best used with startup switches to set application and hardware memory space, and even then the performance improvement over three gigs is miniscule.

The P5W-DH, though very stable, is not a great overclocker. The 6600 or similar clock speed is ideal for that Motherboard. A 965 chipset or Nvidia set is better for overclocking a 4300/4400, since the FSB will go higher on those sets. On a P5W-DH the 975 chipset reaches its limit before the E4400 CPU. a 4400 will not overclock to its full potential before the Motherboard gives up. But a 6600, with a higher multiplier, will reach its limit before the motherboard does.

You should get a 320 Gig Seagate for the boot drive, it will be a bit faster than that 160, has more space, and has a better price point.

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