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There is irony in this quote...

Hi, don’t take this the wrong way my friend, and don’t see it as a slur on your faith but I got to ask your opinion on something, How can any Christian today think he is actually a Christian?

Now think about the question as I ask it to many Christians and it seems they don’t grasp what I mean (or maybe they do but don’t like what they hear)

In the bible it states that your time on earth is to prepare for the afterlife, so that rules wasting time on a computer hardware site out, I mean how could Christian waste money on computer parts when there are children starving to death as we speak (help you neighbour?)

Money, money, money

That’s what it all comes down to, no?
There is a church down the road a bit from me, lovely building, I remember when it was being built there was talk that it cost millions (would that not po god?) every Sunday the car park fills with hundreds of cars from mercs to bmws , what would happen if I went to the front of this (or any) church and said

“good news people, as we speak I have arranged for the local auction house to value every car outside and when they are done they are going to cut a cheque so we can all go dig wells in Africa because there is actually people dying there as we stand here singing hymns in our best suits because they are hungry and thirsty. So if everyone would like to pass their car keys to the front we will get cracking”

How many keys would I get?

If you are wealthy i.e. own a car and have more money than it takes to feed your family and there are people starving to death, and you do not help, is that not the same as murder? Can you be Christian and have money?

It says in the bible

A rich man has as much chance of getting into haven as a camel has getting through an eye of a needle

Yet I have never heard it read out in church

So in short, do you really think you are a Christian? Do you think that if you do make it to heavens gates and st peter asks you to justify your life you will have a better answer than “I went to church every week and had a nice car and house”?

Do you have the right to bring Christianity into a computer forum?

Christianity is a great idea; the Christians should try it sometime

From the above threads TH obviously has no problem with people proselytising for their religion... Well here is my contribution:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0C4ZDO5r58

gallag is a troll... please do not respond to him.

this convo has no place here, do not get this thread locked.

thanks

Science is not a set of facts, it is a process of coming to understand our environment. History is full of short-sighted individuals that have overstepped the bounds of their understanding and made incorrect assessments of the world. Many called themselves scientists.

Science has credibility because it delivers. It has changed the world profoundly, and that change can be objectively measured. Its impact can't be denied.

I have far more confidence in the scientific method to uravel the mystery of how we came to be than I do in an exercise where people have made up stories about how we came to be for the past thousands of years. I'm baffled as to how someone who is actually analytical could decide the storytellers are closer to the truth.

As for the chocolate milk deception, I'm not impressed. You use something which is manufactured by an intelligent creator to argue that there must be an intelligent creator for everything. The point you don't seem to grasp is that nature doesn't explore every possibility, but only those which the laws and content of the environment dictate.

I will give it a read, but in exchange you must read one of these two...

Sam Harris "The End of Faith" or Richard Dawkins "The God
Delusion"

That you've read books like these...assuming you have, shows that you're at least interested in researching spirituality. Don't succumb to scare tactics, however, used by holier than thou Christians and don't let the antics of certain Christians turn you away from Christianity. I, for one, took a long time turning to Christianity because I question everything and I want hard proof before I believe in anything.

Well, let me just tell you that you're not going to get any hard proof of anything and that's why they call it faith. However, what's posed as "science" and generally believed as true by science is really only theory...although they'd have you believe it's the truth once and for all.

Me, I have a hard time believing in Evolution. I mean, the fact that a giraffe's neck grew longer over time to be able to eat leaves off taller trees, for instance, makes no sense at all. If all these adjustments (which science has still been unable to prove in modern conditions) took place over billions of years, what did the giraffes eat in the meantime? And if that food worked for them, why would they grow longer necks to reach other food? If fish grew legs and lungs over billions of years, how did the fish manage to breathe in the meantime? At what point did they get vagina's and penis's and then how did they re-produce in the meantime and where is the evidence of this reproduction?

Whether you believe the content of the Bible or not, there is more historical evidencein the Bible that has been backed up by modern science than any other historical document.

So, at some point in time you weigh all the research and make a leap of faith one way or another. I encourage you to research all sides of spirituality, and like a good scientist, weigh the evidence as objectively as you can. God didn't create us as idiots.

Do not commondear the term faith. People without religion can have faith too.

They do not want you to do anything. They only present the facts if they are a true scientist.

I was not aware of this one, but I would imagine that there was verbage in there about it being the known size limit to sustain life. If not, then it was bad science. I am certain those that 1000nm was the limit would reverse their findings given the evidence of these 200nm life forms. But your Bible is absolute.

Scientists do not say that! they say someting along the lines of given the universe's current rate of expansion... (etc.) the evidence shows that at one point all of the known matter was in very close proximity. Oh yeah, and they say right up front that this is a Theory based on gathered evidence. Hand me a book that says "The Bible: The Theory of God, Jesus, and the Afterlife" and I certainly will entertain letting my daughter read it. Do not be surprised if the theory does not come off as too sound to her.

wow, you call yourself analytical and then let chocolate milk lead to god? Talk about a slippery slope!
How about I do nothing to the chocolate and milk and see what happens when I just let things go. There will be a result without me (the 'intelligent designer' you refer to) doing another thing. Sure it won't make chocolate milk, but are we here on earth supposed to be the chocolate milk or is it the universe? I'm confused on how this can be evidence for anything other than someone making chocolate milk. Heck it's not even chocolate milk, it is just small particles of chocolate suspended in milk.

I will read your book and I will probably send you a PM to discuss it further if you like.

P.S. sorry for the threadjacking.

Leave Jesus in heaven damn it, this is a hardware forum.

How? Because you are a moron, and you can't keep from insulting other peoples beliefs (probably because you are insecure about your own).

Next time, just keep your insults hardware related and everyone will get along much better.

How? Because you are a moron, and you can't keep from insulting other peoples beliefs (probably because you are insecure about your own).



Nice display of the christian spirit

AMD is up 5% also.

Yes, hence my post. AMD was up by 5% as other posters mentioned. So I brought up the fact that Intel is also up by 3%. Read the comments.

Chopping heads to the tune of about $.5B and cutting capital expenditure by $.5B is what wall street likes to hear about so of course AMD is up.

Intel climbing with AMD would indicate wall street believes the price war is over because AMD is quitting the processor market.

Oh boy... so much to be said about christian spirit these days, but yes.. would have to be pretty thick to think you can get somewhere criticizing it. I'm mean, it'd be easier convincing a wall it was a door.

But would generalizing about Christians be any better?