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Hi there..i bought a used mobo/cpu from a friend with a case..
i just bought a zalman air cooler since he gave me his stock..
when i took his hsf off and tried to put the zalman on..i noticed that
the bracket to hold the 775 socket cpu was removed...and the quad
6700 had no IHS.. i managed to slowly put my zalman on..and now im hitting 38-39 C idle...and 51-55 on heavy loads.. no OC.
Is this a safe setup? shouldnt there be a IHS to protect the quad core?
dont want to lose my money cuz of it...any ideas?

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Imo the heavy zalman on the CPU without IHS is not a good idea, I suggest you not to move your computer, ie on LANparties etc, because it may damage the cores...the temps seem to be o.k.

Reply to dagoth_ur
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Well its not gonna be moving thats for sure..
is there a place i can buy an IHS and install it..if thats even possible?

Reply to tektek

What exactly is an IHS, intel heat spreader?

I see people talking about them everywhere and I have no idea what it is?

Your friends sold you a top of line comp...or at least processor...what did he/she upgrade too?

Reply to 7499richard

AMD has them too- Integrated Heat Spreader :-D

Reply to Wizzard1

Oh lol...

So what is the IHS...just the cover over the cores, the top of the processor?

Thanks

Reply to 7499richard
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yah its top of the line..he's getting an xps laptop...
im just worried that the thing wont live long...with the IHS off..
i see articles about people who OC doing it all the time..the thing is
..is it safe...is my ZALMAN 9700 too big for it? so far its holding on 39-41 depending on the fan speed...even when i play heavy games like
F.E.A.R ..which is mostly GPU ...no issues...
oh..its on an ABIT AW9 mobo with ddr2-1000 (yah pc 8000)

so no complaints performance wise..just worried about the longivity
..
8O :?

Reply to tektek

The temps will definitely be lower, and also you will be able to achieve a higher oc on it, as long as you take care when moving it you'll be fine. You might want to get a watercooler though, because a waterblock doesn't weigh much and you won't run the risk of cracking the cpu as much that way

It's not uncommon for extreme ocers to do this, I have seen this mod a bunch of times before, and it's not anything to worry about as long as you take care when moving the pc

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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that gives me some relief..thanx man..i'll look into water cooling...
do you have any suggestions to ones that arent overboard in price
since buying this cost me an arm and 2 legs...

Reply to tektek

Hmm, depends, how much is your budget, and what do you want on the loop, I can customize for maximum cpu cooling, or a big overall loop, but sicne your cpu is missing the ihs anyways, why not try to push it to the limits and go with maximum, that's what I'd do

Anyways, I'm glad to help, give me a pm if you ever need anything down the road

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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thanx again..i'll start searching next month...is it better to return my zalman and just save up for the water cooling instead...70 bux and then maybe in 2 weeks i'll shell out another 80 ...saw some water cooling options for 150 dollars at frys...then again i got 2 weeks to return it..so maybe i'll hold on to the zalman for 2 weeks then return it..
just wish i can remember what that type of water cooling was..

thanx again guys...made me feel a bit safer now..lol (stress stress)
8O 8O 8O

Reply to tektek

I know how it feels to have the fear of dmaging a very expensive system. Anyways, I would suggest returning the zalman now, it's a piece of junk, I can tell you from experience with zalman. What I suggest is for a beginniner, this should do very well for you, it is preinstalled and uses tecs to cool, so it is very quiet yet powerful
http://www.xoxide.com/coolit-syste [...] oling.html
I'd say that is probably the easiest+best pre assembeled watercooler for the money. If you are willing to try to build a custome kit, you can get better performance, but this should be enough

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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god thats making me drool looking at that..it actually fits in the case
...the price ...well...makin my mouth go dry...lol
so i take the 150 dollar thermaltakes are bad?
or just need more work?

Reply to tektek

No, they are bad, watercooling is one of those things you can't really cheap out on and expect good returns from it

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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thanx for the education..appreciate it.
there's alot of interesting options...but like u said that one u suggested
seems most appropriate...what would be ur second choice if you had to?

p.s. peanut butter guy...no comment..too much sugar

Reply to tektek

is an LGA775 without the lid anything like an Athlon, the way they packaged it bare with the 4 round foam things to rest the heat sink on ?

just wondering if any of the modders have used a similar approach on lidless Pentium's.

Reply to Raviolissimo

there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY your C2D chip doesnt have an IHS.

IF you have a NON IHS C2D please have your friend PM me on how he took his off sucessfully.

ONLY AMD chips or OLD P4 chips can have there IHS removed safely. Intel uses a metal Sodder on the DIE directly to mount there IHS.

That is why i said ITS IMPOSSIBLE for you to have a non IHS QX. If it truely is a QX without IHS, then by god, go over to xtremesystems.org/forums and TELL US how you pulled it off. You'll be a legend on that forum if you pulled it off sucessfully.


As for now, i highly doubt your friend gave you a QX without an IHS. I think your getting something mixed up.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p73/aigomorla/IMG_0569.jpg

That shiny thing reflecting is the IHS. As i said its impossible to remove without breaking your DIE. Many have tried, a lot of dead X6800 chips are in the landfill as a result from it.


I think your friend either
1. is a genius at removing it
2. lied to you straight up saying its a QX. You might have a mobile C2D which naturally comes with an IHS missing.

Reply to aigomorla

Quote :

there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY your C2D chip doesnt have an IHS.

IF you have a NON IHS C2D please have your friend PM me on how he took his off sucessfully.

ONLY AMD chips or OLD P4 chips can have there IHS removed safely. Intel uses a metal Sodder on the DIE directly to mount there IHS.

That is why i said ITS IMPOSSIBLE for you to have a non IHS QX. If it truely is a QX without IHS, then by god, go over to xtremesystems.org/forums and TELL US how you pulled it off. You'll be a legend on that forum if you pulled it off sucessfully.


As for now, i highly doubt your friend gave you a QX without an IHS. I think your getting something mixed up.
that shiny thing reflecting is the IHS. As i said its impossible to remove without breaking your DIE. Many have tried, a lot of dead X6800 chips are in the landfill as a result from it.


I think your friend either
1. is a genius at removing it
2. lied to you straight up saying its a QX. You might have a mobile C2D which naturally comes with an IHS missing.


That's false, there is a method to taking off the ihs on an intel cpu, but I just remembered last night, the op should be sure that it works, because the method to taking off an intel ihs has a much higher chance of frying the cpu than the amd method since it soldered on. But to be sure on what the chip is, op, does the chip have two actual dies on the pcb, or just one? That's how you can tell for sure if it is a core 2 quad, or core 2 duo (or even pentium d possibly)

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

heh... taco show me please :D

I prefer my IHS nakked. So far from what i was reading, the sodder melts at around 90C. i think.

So you would need to heat the chip to 90C and then pop it off without cracking the DIE.


NICE.... lol... i dont think the owner would of sold a IHSless QX, to a beginner. That would be like me dropping my entire setup on my brother.


But yeah op, Taco is right, a QX should have 2 dies ontop of the PCB. If your thing is really IHSless, then you should see 2 dies if its a real QX

Reply to aigomorla

I will show you, but promise you won't do it without help from an expert solderer (or whatever you call a person that solders for a living)
http://www.thetechrepository.com/showthread.php?t=23
As you can see, they messed up and burnt out their chip, so be careful is all I'm saying, and it's not recommended you do

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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It has 2 dies...and it is QX6700...here's my cpu'z report for validation

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=183235

plz tell me if this is wrong..i'd love to kick him in the nuts if isnt..
but yah..i dont want to open up the thing and take pictures of it
but i can tell you..it has no IHS..and i did see 2 dies on the top of the PCB
thats why im worried the zalman was gonna be too heavy...
i might get a water cooler in the next 2 weeks based on taco's recommendation..when i do..i'll take pics and post them

Reply to tektek

No IHS is better when it comes to cooling since the cpu cooler is in direct contact thus heat transfer is better. But without IHS is bad since it's not protected at all. Too much pressure on that chip and it will crack or dislocated it so to speak. Make sure you're cooler is snug and evenly tightened. Support the cooler to the case to minimize the movement.

That is kind of odd you QX6700 don't have a IHS. I read some reviews that some people and trying to remove IHS from Core 2s and failed, ending up damaging the chip and not running at all. The original owner must be a hard core enthusiasts, taking out the IHS and exposing the chip. LOL.

Reply to chuckshissle
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yah i have it snug..i had to make sure it wasnt gonna move or slip or anything so i made sure its ok...i hope it can hold for 2 weeks at least
till i get th water cooler..he is into modding i just want the thing for my 3D work..and occasional gaming...so far i had no problems..temps are holding from 38-41 on idle depending on fan speed.. and to 55-60 on heavy loads..also depends on fan speed...
didnt know the QX6700 was hard to remove the IHS..guess i gotta
give him more credit than i thought..but my only concern is..
IS IT SAFE!! if not..i better sell it to some OC'er who'd appreciate it more
lol
:?

Reply to tektek

That may not be a bad idea to do so, you could actually make a fortune off it if you sell it to the right person. The fact that you are getting a mere 60 load on the qx is really showing how much of an impact removing the ihs has, I have seen quads run at 80 load on air cooling @3ghz, so you definitely got a nice deal out of getting an ihs less cpu, once you get a watercooler and chill it down to ambient temps close to load 8O (possible with the right radiator, block and pump)then you should oc that thing to india and see how far you can push it to show the real value of it, I wouldn't be surprised if you get over 4ghz stable

BTW, does your friend mind removing my ihs? :lol:

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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lol i dont think he'd mind if your ok with the risk..lol
im actually gonna go with your suggestion taco..that box u showed me
had some good reviews..and seems like it'll fit perfectly in the case..
the theory of it being a chiller more than a water cooler makes it even more worth considering.
Never thought the QX would go that high in temps..guess i should thank him now..lol


(any buyers...full system with 2 gigs of ddr2-1000 and abit mobo) lol
(will not ship to nigeria..) ... damn dont know if im joking or serious now
8O :?: 8O

Reply to tektek

I did some research on it, and I found out that the max it can cool is a mere 245w, so I would stay away from that model since oc'd quads are known to go to240w and above, sorry, but we'll have to find another option

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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oh well..better i find out now than later...thanx for the update..
yup after that last post..i know im a noob in this field...
just got off playing fear right now and although its not heavy in cpu load
the temps were 50 C solid..so i guess so far no threat.


again thanx for all the update guys...i might be able to sleep tonight
lol

8O

Reply to tektek

Then I guess my job is done for tonight, peace of mind with a computer is one of the best things you can have

But for the watercooler, I have a few in mind, you could go the peltier route, but that would get things very complicated and since you are a newb right now (I aim to change that :wink: ), I don't think that would be a great idea. We'll discuss this later, or tonight if you want

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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sounds good with me...show me the way obi one! i have the force
but dont know how to use it...(ok going overboard now..lol)

no rush though..i need a few weeks b4 i can buy it..but still thanx for
the help.

Reply to tektek

Well, the thing I'm worried about is the pcb cracking because of the weight of the zalman, I would highly recommend resting the case on it's side to stabilize the zalman cooler and keep the cpu safe

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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Done! :)
was thinking that too...so i got it sitting flat now..lol

Reply to tektek

Good, you seem to be taking good precautions with this ihsless cpu, I think it will work out great for you once we watercool it

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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yah...i need some sense at least to keep this working
or the wallet wont stop crying..lol

I'll keep looking at water cooling solutions..and post them
if you dont mind i'd like to post them here for suggestions/approval

Reply to tektek
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hey..just a thought..i know i might be wrong..but
isnt it extra weight to have it on the side with the Zalman sitting on it now
with gravity..compared to fixed hanging on the side? it wont slide now..but doesnt it mean its more weight?..maybe i should turn the case the other way around and let the zalman hang upside down..lol

Reply to tektek

You could do that too, it's up to you, but i was more worried about the zalman tilting it to one side and having it crack rather than cracking from pure force

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

Wow, I've never heard of anyone stripping the IHS from a s775 CPU and the thing still working before.

I want one :D

Reply to darkstar782

Tell me about it, and amd solders the ihs on am2 cpus :evil: So now I wouldn't mind paying that dewd a good $10/$20 bucks for taking the ihs off (otherwise I'll just put the money towards a watercooler)

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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lol ..dunno if i should be laughing..but thats whats scaring me..that
everyone is saying its impossible..and no one did it b4..yet..this
cpu is working fine...i did a stress test with orthos and temps went to 55
did another stability test with everist 100% load on all cpu's
and still 55 C...benchmarks seemed good too...the quad keeps coming up
on top of almost everything even the quad xeon (everist benchmarks 2007)

so..is this the first 775 socket (core 2 duo) that works with a stripped IHS
in history.....or....(fill in the blanks)

Reply to tektek

heh, this is gonna be my last post on this forum. I just finished helping out the last two members, and there idling at 25C and loading @ 43C on 1.45V.

So ive done my job.



Anyhow op, thats seriously a nice chip you got there if the IHS is removed.

Lemme tell you one thing tho, i hope you spreaded the AS5 or whatever tim you used on the DIE directly. MAke sure you dont blop it like you would on a normal IHS'd cou.

And yes you need a waterblock now. There used to be serveral incidents where people hacked the IHS off AMD'd and used big typhoons. The pressure on the corner of the die would crack and destroy the cpu.

You need to put less torque on your board now that the die is naked.

And definitely, you could probably double what you bought the cpu for on xtremesystems.org if you wanted to sell it. Every phase junkie on that forum is looking for one.

Reply to aigomorla
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now ur talking aigomorla..i might post it there and see..lol
im not into OC'ing so no use for me..but also i dont want it to die..
yes i did put ARCTIC SILVER 5 on it...the thing is..it was almost the same
stability with the original fan on it.. (cooler master) still big
but not as heavy as the zalman..should i put that back on? or is the
zalman ok for now


again guys..thanks for the constant input.

Reply to tektek

Dump the as5 for arctic ceramique, or at least mx-1, both outperform as5 consistantly, even the radioshack gunk beats as5, we at daclan tested that 8O

Anyways, I seriously would like to talk to the person that removed the ihs, I want to know if he has some special method to doing so so that the chip doesn't get damaged (as people are saying, you really have to be skilled to remove a soldered ihs) or if he just got lucky, because I will actually pay him if he can properly remove my soldered ihs safely with some reasurance that he knows his stuff :P

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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hmm so AC5 isnt top of the line? lol
my temps are dropping..now its getting to 37 C idle..guess something
is going right..the thing is..im worried about taking it off and on again
i feel i should just wait and leave it as is till i get the water cooling
i'll talk to him and see if he lucked out or not...i emailed him last night
but the dude seems too distracted to answer....at this point i might
even just sell the thing if thats a good deal..since i know i'll never
overclock it..shelling out another 2-3 bills doesnt really make me feel
happy about the deal..although u guys seem to say otherwise..guess
thats the line where newb's and experts cross..lol

Reply to tektek

I wouldn't quite call myself an expert, I'm not as old as you would expect 8O

But I seriously think you should buy the watercooler, you consider yourself lucky to have an ihsless qx, because those run extremely hot with the ihs, and also you could sell the watercooled qx on ebay for sooooooo much extra to a random newb, I'm guessing you could get an extra $300 to $400 if you customize it to be a top end computer that is watercooled 8O :twisted:

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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an extra 300-400 above the water cooled price? or is it gonna balance me out even? Seems im learning about the OC world the hard way..lol
yah i've been reading reviews and they all say the QX is usually a hot
temperatured item..so far i got no heating problems from it..its just the
fear that it'll die on me with no IHS is whats scaring me..lol

Reply to tektek

That's why I'm saying you could make a good chunk of money on top of getting your money back if you buy the right hardware. Plenty of people would pay a good $3000 for an ihsless qx if it's loaded with the right stuff, add in a nice gfx card or two, and 2/4gigs of the cheapest ddr2 memory you can find, but I think you should just keep it, it would be a blessing in my mind to have an ihsless qx if I had one

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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ai ya yai yai yai...lol
now im so lost..its really nice..gotta give it that...i guess shelling out an extra 300 to keep it happy is the best solution..the other thing is the ram ddr2-1000 aint cheap...this is making it a tough call..

Reply to tektek

Here's my top three picks on 1000+ memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820146563
that memory has dropped so much in price I will kill you if you let the price go back up, it was $300 just a few weeks ago and has $100 in rebates, I suggest you get that memory quickly 8O :D
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820231075
That memory kit also has come down in price a lot, and I highly recommend that memory too, memory has dropped down to extremely low costs since conroe was released, I bought some crappy 6400mhz ram for $300 and now I can get memory that will guarantee me faster speeds for less, not sure what you mean by ddr2-1000 sticks are pricey, those two both use top grade chips
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820145043
Now that chip is a bit on the pricey side, but consider it's down from $400 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O I can almost 100% guarantee you 1200mhz on those chips, very high binned

Those are my top three picks for memory without getting into extreme memory priced $400+ 8)

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O
i see dead people..lol

taco your not trying to turn me into an OC'er are u? lol
RAM is something i want to venture in later as i know the more ram
the better for my 3D work..my last machine(for sale now..lol)
was a 4600x2 with 4 gigs ram on xp 64 bit...so it was nice..no hassle
but the render times on the quad are so sooooo off the scale compared
to that..but i can only shell out a few bills for either water cooling
or the ram..seems to me the Water cooling might be more important now
since im already getting better render times.

(whats scary is i got pumped up on imagining 8 gigs of ram on this board)
lol

Reply to tektek

8gigs of ram is really a lot to be messing with and either way, you can either run 8gigs of slow memory or 8gigs of ecc memory, there aren't any 4gig kits of ddr2-1000 ram out yet, but I don't think you'll miss it all that much, a faster hard drive would give you a better speedboost in almost all things because your computer is only as fast as it's slowest part, which is always the hard drive unless you did something stupid like hook up 15k rpm scsi drives on ancient k5 cpu, but no one's that stupid to do so 8O

About the overclocking thing, I won't force you to if you don't want to, but since you have an ihsless qx, a very very very very very very rare thing to have, you might as well take advantage of that imo

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

Your actually lucky that he did that for you. Congratulations, you are now experiencing 7-15degC lower temps as compared to if you HAD the IHS on. And, as long as you have the cooler mounted reasonably tight, you can move it.

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