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Just placed the order this morning.

-AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ (Yes, I'm an AMD fanboy, and I got it for less money than any C2D including the E4300)
-Biostar Tforce 550 nForce 550MCP motherboard
-2x1gb Kingston HyperX DDR2 800, 4-4-4-12 memory
-eVGA GeForce 8800GTS 320mb stock speed
-Corsair 520-watt PSU (SeaSonic OEM)
-AeroCool ExtremEngine 3T case with 25cm and 14cm fans
-Sound Blaster Audigy SE (never, ever use onboard sound)
-Western Digital Caviar SE 250gb 16mb cache SATA HDD
-Samsung 18x DVD burner
-Acer AL2216Wbd 22" 5ms HDCP-compatible widescreen monitor

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I'm sure someone will find something to nit-pick about, but overall it looks like a solid build.

Satisfy my curiosity... what's that X2-5200 price look like? I appreciate you outing yourself as an AMD fanboy, but I'm still curious to see if your fanboyism is overriding your basic math and comparative skills.

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I'm sure someone will find something to nit-pick about, but overall it looks like a solid build.

Satisfy my curiosity... what's that X2-5200 price look like? I appreciate you outing yourself as an AMD fanboy, but I'm still curious to see if your fanboyism is overriding your basic math and comparative skills.




you fail at life...

Reply to tekzor

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Satisfy my curiosity... what's that X2-5200 price look like? I appreciate you outing yourself as an AMD fanboy, but I'm still curious to see if your fanboyism is overriding your basic math and comparative skills.



Last I heard, $200 I think.

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you fail at life...



And you fail at giving advice on hardware, which is what this forum is for. Didn't your mother ever tell you, if you can't post something useful/intelligent in a hardware forum, don't post anything at all.


Anyway, back to the rig. Looks pretty good overall. You definitely want DDR2-800 for AMD systems, but you might want to look at something other than HyperX. Good memory, for sure, but expensive. There's OCZ and G.Skill for example that offer better performance for cheaper.

Also I prefer seagate perpendiculars to WD, but it's not a big deal.

Reply to jeff_2087
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Well, in defense of Aero, I'm sure we could all nitpick, but I gotta admit, it's a very good system. I'd go with Seagata too, but whatever. That PSU is a nice choice, love the vid card, decent case, good RAM, you like sound cards so that's fine, good choice on the optical, and a 22" LCD to boot.

Very nice. I'm sure you'll be happy with it. As long as you didn't break the bank, I'd say Good Job!

Post pics when you get it up and running!

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[quote="jeff_2087"]

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Satisfy my curiosity... what's that X2-5200 price look like? I appreciate you outing yourself as an AMD fanboy, but I'm still curious to see if your fanboyism is overriding your basic math and comparative skills.



Last I heard, $200 I think.

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you fail at life...



And you fail at giving advice on hardware, which is what this forum is for. Didn't your mother ever tell you, if you can't post something useful/intelligent in a hardware forum, don't post anything at all.




judging by your second post
you fail at common sense too...

see ya

Reply to tekzor

Oh, I didn't even notice he'd already bought it. So anyway yeah it's pretty good stuff.

edit: tekzor, at least I succeed in knowing how to quote someone. Is it really that complicated?

Reply to jeff_2087

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I'm sure someone will find something to nit-pick about, but overall it looks like a solid build.

Satisfy my curiosity... what's that X2-5200 price look like? I appreciate you outing yourself as an AMD fanboy, but I'm still curious to see if your fanboyism is overriding your basic math and comparative skills.



Well, I got it brand new off ebay for $162, and it does beat even the E6400 in most benchmarks. So I'd say it's a good deal, since I'm not much of an overclocker.

If you buy it retail it probably costs $220 or so though. So it's still a good deal, but obviously much less so.

About the Kingston memory: They're the only brand I trust. I've tried many others, and some were just incompatible with my motherboards from the start, while others ended up failing after 6 months... but Kingston has never failed me once. Just a personal experience thing, I know it's way more expensive than G.skill/etc.

Reply to AeroB1033

It's hard to say something bad about a $162 X2-5200... especially when you're not big into overclocking. Sounds like you got the perfect CPU for your needs.

I've had an X2-4400+ pretty much the week they came out and I've been absolutely stunned at how reliable it is despite a moderate 20% overclock. Sure, I paid around $600 for it, but hey... it's nearing its 2nd birthday and still plays the hell out of whatever I throw at it.

Reply to rodney_ws

And at $220... there's no way in hell I'd have gotten it... but $162... that is below any current C2D price (E4300 included)

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/drool - very nice :-)

I am not sure why you apologized for the AMD selection? Has AMD fallen that far behind? Are you unhappy with some aspect of your AMD purchase? If not then dont apologize.

Also, I found the sound card comment interesting. I am a gamer and I too have yet to buy a rig without a sound card. But I wondered if the $90 price tag on current offerings is a must? I thought about reusing sound cards from my retired rigs. I wonder how it would perform compared to on-board sound in a new rig.

Reply to jthorn

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I am not sure why you apologized for the AMD selection? Has AMD fallen that far behind? Are you unhappy with some aspect of your AMD purchase? If not then dont apologize.



Well, I didn't apologize so much as explain. It seems that this forum worships the C2D so much these days that an explanation is necessary.

Reply to AeroB1033
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Generally speaking, these forums favor horsepower, performance, and speed......which is the C2D systems for sure.

HOWEVER, there is some truth that some people here are often blind to the fact that an AM2 system is a very good option for systems that will be primarily gaming rigs. An AMD gaming rig will be cheaper overall, and will still perform very well. So if people can get an AMD at a good price, then it's a very worthwhile purchase. Not as fast as a comparable C2D, but still a very good system.

That fact can often be lost on people around here who push for the most horsepower and speed, but seem to overlook pricing. And especially if someone ISN'T overclocking, then AM2 can be a very attractive product. On the other hand, when you look at the price increase for a C2D over an AM2 on the total cost of a $1,500 system for example, the price difference isn't as significant.

Pros and cons to each, neither is wrong. It really depends on budget available and what the system will be used for/how much horsepower is actually needed realistically.

I've owned both, and I prefer C2D simply because of the speed, but I need that speed as well for the work I do. If someone were mostly doing gaming, surfing the net, playing some mp3's, and doing some light Photoshop......then an AM2 is a very good buy.

Trying to be objective here........I'm no C2D or AMD fanboy. I'm a bang-for-the-buck and specs-for-what-you-need-to-do-the-job fanboy ;)

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Good build ;)

Post some pics when you're done!

Reply to skyguy

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I'm sure someone will find something to nit-pick about, but overall it looks like a solid build.

Satisfy my curiosity... what's that X2-5200 price look like? I appreciate you outing yourself as an AMD fanboy, but I'm still curious to see if your fanboyism is overriding your basic math and comparative skills.



Well his fanboyism is overriding his basic logic skills. Seriously, I will never understand supporting a company no matter what they do or don't do. You want to waste your money on inferior technology, go ahead - to each their own. But I only paid slightly higher for my C2D and it rocks the poop out of anything AMD has to offer.

If one day, AMD chips rule again, I'll go back to those. I consider myself a smart consumer who uses common sense, not a blind fanboy who supports a company no matter what.

Reply to pongrules

I'm a fan of AMD, but if they were really being crushed as handily by Intel as people like you seem to think, I wouldn't buy their products. The fact is, though, that AMD still offers excellent performance in the under $300 price range. I spent days examining probably a half-dozen sites' benchmarks and came to the conclusion that at today's prices, a sub-$300 X2 will trade blows with an equally priced C2D, and its motherboard will be cheaper as well.

So think what you want, but don't accuse me of blind brand loyalty, because it's simply not true. I knew what I was getting, and while your E6700 may crush my 5200+, I'm more than happy to match or beat the lower end, budget C2D processors.

Besides, as I said, I got a really awesome deal for the 5200+ on eBay.

Reply to AeroB1033

well, aside from fanboyism, he did mention he wasnt going to overclock, which pretty much levels the playing field on the lower end dual cores, for both price and performance just about

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Might I make a point here, Pong?

Your specs show an awesome system. Your system simply rocks.


However, there's NO WAY WHATSOEVER that you paid "slightly more" for your E6700 and 680i. You paid ALOT more. And if I might also point out, everyone around these forums acknowledges that a 6700 is a waste of money actually. It barely outperforms a 6600, and at a HUGE price increase. Further, your CPU is stock. My lowly 6300 spanks a 6700, and YES it is still a C2D. But that's not the point. Your point is that you say you're a smart consumer, yet you've chosen 2 significant components of your system that can be easily outperformed by a much cheaper setup. No offense, but I wouldn't call that a wise investment of money.

For what you spent on your setup, I could build 2 AMD rigs that will pull very good frames down on most games. So I fail to see your logic, I'm sorry.

I'm not defending AMD, heck, I owned one before I switched to C2D because of the sheer increase in speed. But I paid for that speed. But you paid ALOT more than I did for my C2D, and you certainly paid excessively more than his AM2 system.....and his setup will pull great frames and my CPU beats yours. And my "cheap" mobo does what yours can do for OC'ing since I've got the numbers to prove it.

So, do you see the irony here?

I'm not bragging my system can beat yours blah blah like some schoolkid. I'm merely pointing out that your system doesn't follow your own logic. It's the pot calliing the kettle black. You profess wise consumerism, yet you have a 6700, which is the eptiome of wasted money on a C2D system.

I'm sorry, but perhaps you should reconsider your argument, because it makes you appear uninformed and ignorant. At least the OP states his reasoning for an AM2 and how he saved money on it, so his logic makes good sense. Unfortunately, we can't say the same for yours.

Like I said, I'm not playing favorites. I'm trying to be objective, and the facts in this case don't support your argument.

Reply to skyguy

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I'm sure someone will find something to nit-pick about, but overall it looks like a solid build.

Satisfy my curiosity... what's that X2-5200 price look like? I appreciate you outing yourself as an AMD fanboy, but I'm still curious to see if your fanboyism is overriding your basic math and comparative skills.



Well his fanboyism is overriding his basic logic skills. Seriously, I will never understand supporting a company no matter what they do or don't do. You want to waste your money on inferior technology, go ahead - to each their own. But I only paid slightly higher for my C2D and it rocks the poop out of anything AMD has to offer.

If one day, AMD chips rule again, I'll go back to those. I consider myself a smart consumer who uses common sense, not a blind fanboy who supports a company no matter what.

And we could call you a blind bandwagon jumper if you wish. A smart consumer, as mentioned above, takes price into account. It's ironic you mention logic and fanboyism when price is a big factor when considering which is a better buy. Bandwagon jumping is still fanboyism but in a flippant kind of way.

Reply to commanderspockep

AMD is still the gamer's best friend when it comes to a low budget.
Intel is the best when it comes to larger sums of money.
P.A. Semi is the best when it comes to energy efficient dual-cores.
Kobayashi is the best at eating .

Right now, everyone has their strengths. :D

Reply to SanjiWatsuki

For those on a budget, AMD deserves a second look. Yes, they are inferior processors, but they are solid performers overall. And now with the X2's approaching $100, they really are hard to pass up!

-The String

Reply to billystringer

Very nice build

Exactly the same as mine, except I got a E6400

Reply to jorbor36

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I'm sure someone will find something to nit-pick about, but overall it looks like a solid build.

Satisfy my curiosity... what's that X2-5200 price look like? I appreciate you outing yourself as an AMD fanboy, but I'm still curious to see if your fanboyism is overriding your basic math and comparative skills.



Well his fanboyism is overriding his basic logic skills. Seriously, I will never understand supporting a company no matter what they do or don't do. You want to waste your money on inferior technology, go ahead - to each their own. But I only paid slightly higher for my C2D and it rocks the poop out of anything AMD has to offer.

If one day, AMD chips rule again, I'll go back to those. I consider myself a smart consumer who uses common sense, not a blind fanboy who supports a company no matter what.

And we could call you a blind bandwagon jumper if you wish. A smart consumer, as mentioned above, takes price into account. It's ironic you mention logic and fanboyism when price is a big factor when considering which is a better buy. Bandwagon jumping is still fanboyism but in a flippant kind of way.

OK, OK, so maybe I spoke a little too soon. Many of you here have made a good point about AMD and price vs. performance, so I was probably wrong in saying the processor that was chosen was flawed logic. I apologize. I guess what I mean to say is fanboyism can be flawed logic. If a Ford fanboy passes on a Toyota that's equally priced, that might be flawed logic. It's well known that Toyota makes much better cars (albeit boring ones) than Ford. Yada, yada, you get the point.

Now, however, I propose this question. Let's say AMD comes out with a new line of chips that smoke the C2D's and AMD's price goes up, will the fanboy still choose AMD because it's the best processor even though it costs a lot more? Because if so, then his argument of buying AMD because it offers great performance for the price will be hypocritical. Unless, of course, he's just a fanboy of buying the best performance for the price. :lol:

Me, I'd buy the AMD even though it costs more because it would be the best processor, period. And yes, it that makes me a bandwagon fanboy, then so be it. :lol:

Reply to pongrules

Good point, Skyguy and well taken. Just to explain, I chewed and chewed on whether to go with the e6600 or the e6700. The x6800 was out of the question, of course, since I could get a quad for the same price. I wanted the 4 megs of cache, so that's why I was chosing between the e6600 or the e6700. Knowing I am very uncomfortable with overclocking, I chose the e6700 for the slight increase in clock speed. However, I am learning a lot more about it now, so if I need to, I will eventually. Right now, it's just not necessary since I can play Oblivion at 1600 x 1200 with 4x AA, 16x AF, 16x transparency filtering, all settings in the game to the highest they can go and I don't get a hiccup.

I built my system to future proof it (if there is such a thing) as much as possible. So I payed a little more now in hopes of making my machine last a little longer. I can still OC my e6700 which I can guarantee will make my processor faster than yours, and run at a lower temp. Not to brag, I'm not doing that, just stating a fact. Plus I can add more memory, another 8800GTX and upgrade to a quadcore processor if I need to. There's a lot of room on my system to improve is what I'm saying. And, it may not cost as much to do so seeing as how there's an expected drop in prices coming on the C2D's. With the coming of ATI's R600, the prices will drop in the 8800's as well. Memory? Who knows.

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Takes a big person to admit a mistake like that in a public forum, so I commend you on that Pong. Please understand, I wasn't knocking you, just questioning your argument.

However, here's the interesting thing: For you, what you chose makes good sense, and you're happy with it. But for someone else, it might not make sense. Maybe AMD makes good sense for another scenario. And on and on. So it depends on the individual wants, needs, budget, expectations, etc, etc. Everyone's different, and no 2 situations are exactly alike. My requirements and want are different from yours, for example. I'm happy with my setup, does what I need......you're happy with yours, does what you need. I'd call that 2 success stories ;)

As to your question about AMD, pricing going up, performance, etc. Here's my quick take on it:

I would switch back to AMD for better performance IF it was worth the pricetag. That's the key. A 20% performance increase, for example, isn't worth $200 to me. But it might be for alot of people. Again, depends on the individual. It's really all about PRIORITIES. And that's what keeps these forums interesting.......some people's number 1 priority is budget, so it is our DUTY to recommend something that fits their budget, not say "get C2D". Someone else wants hardcore performance as Priority #1, so we tell them Quad and GTX's in SLI.

So, all of us here that offer advice and volunteer our time need to remember that in addition to being objective and factual, we also need to be MINDFUL of what people NEED and WANT for their systems. They come here for our help, and we owe it to them to give them the optimal solution........not the perfect solution, but the BEST one given their budget, wants, needs, abilities, timing, and attitude.

Sorry to sound preachy people, but it's why I'm here. Certainly not for the glory LOL. It's because we are in a position to help others, and we owe it to them and ourselves to be honest in our advice, and thorough in our recommendations. There's alot at stake.......ALOT of money being spent on systems, alot of anxious feelings by rookies, alot of egos on the line, alot of time invested around here.

It is our collective responsibility to be patient, informative, unbiased, factual, thorough, intelligent, fair, and even witty at times to defuse certain tensions. It is not an easy job, and it is all done voluntarily. So I commend everyone here who helps out, who gives their time and knowledge for free, even if it is sometimes a thankless task. So to the AMD fanboys ;) I say Thank You. And to the Intel fanboys ;) I say Thank You. Just try to keep the posters' interests in mind, we're here for them, not ourselves...........

~Skyguy.

Reply to skyguy

Nice post, Skyguy, I agree.

Back on the topic of the thread though: I got my monitor in today, the processor on Saturday. The rest arrives the day after tomorrow :D

Reply to AeroB1033

Well, thanks for the compliment but it's who I am--I admit mistakes readily because I make them so much, LOL. And, because they're always learning opportunities. And thanks for the gentle reminder that we're here to be helpful to others and hopefully receive intelligent, objective advice in return when we're the ones asking for help. Like me, when eventually I need to OC my e6700.

Reply to pongrules

Let us know how that monitor works out, would you? I have a Viewsonic A90f (19" CRT) right now which provides an EXCELLENT picure and I hope it lasts. But eventually, when the A90f breaks down, I'll be in the market for an LCD. But I'm afraid of the widescreens because you have to crank up the resolution so high. I don't have to worry about that with the build I have now, but games will eventually start to tax my system--maybe even sometime this year. I don't watch movies from my puter, so do I need a widescreen? And with the CRT's, I have a wide range of resolutions I can play at which seems to be limited when using LCD's. Are my fears justified or am I just behind the times with monitors?

Reply to pongrules
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LOL, no prob. I'm sure we can help you OC that 6700 and make 'er run like a cheetah :D And you got an 8800GTX? I wouldn't worry at all about cranking up resolutions or settings, you'll be good to go. 22" LCDs are where it's at now.....excellent size and performance at great prices. To simply move up to a 24" it's a huge price jump....not worth it.....just move up to a 30" and then plan on paying for it a long time though....tough on the bank account.

AeroB, post an update about your rig when you get it going. And post some pics!!! Let's see that baby! :)

Reply to skyguy

Well, it's not that bad playing on lower than native resolution on an LCD... just makes things a little blurry. I've heard people say it's like a poor man's antialiasing :D

I'll definitely report my experience with the Acer though, I've heard good things so I'm looking forward to using it.

Edit: Will do, Skyguy, you can count on it!

Reply to AeroB1033

Yeah, like I said with my 8800GTX, resolutions aren't a problem right now, but they might be when Crysis comes out. Course by then, hopefully the R600 has been released so I can buy another 8800GTX for much cheaper than $600 and run in SLI. And, maybe prices on quads will have come down then as well. I know they're supposed to with the improved chip architecture.

Reply to pongrules

Nothing wrong with being a Amd Fanboy, Im one also! But you should have waited till the April 9th AMD price drops. The X2 6000+ is said to be dropping to under $250. Im all over that! The 5200+ will possibly break $150! ...Screw Intel C2D, I'll never turn to the dark side!!!

Reply to soldier37

I already got my 5200+ for $162, so the price cuts don't really matter to me 8)

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-AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ (Yes, I'm an AMD fanboy, and I got it for less money than any C2D including the E4300)
-Biostar Tforce 550 nForce 550MCP motherboard
-2x1gb Kingston HyperX DDR2 800, 4-4-4-12 memory
-eVGA GeForce 8800GTS 320mb stock speed
-Corsair 520-watt PSU (SeaSonic OEM)
-AeroCool ExtremEngine 3T case with 25cm and 14cm fans
-Sound Blaster Audigy SE (never, ever use onboard sound)
-Western Digital Caviar SE 250gb 16mb cache SATA HDD
-Samsung 18x DVD burner
-Acer AL2216Wbd 22" 5ms HDCP-compatible widescreen monitor

1) You could have gotten the 6000+ for the price of the 5200+ on April 9th.
2) Why Biostar?
3) The Seagate Barracuda 16MB 250GB with Perpendicular Recording is the same price as that Caviar and yet outperforms it.
4) Love the monitor.

Reply to proof

whats up with perpandicular recording on the seagates?

Reply to soldier37

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whats up with perpandicular recording on the seagates?



Get Perpendicular!

http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/rese [...] ation.html

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It allows more of the platter to be used and it is faster.

Reply to proof

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Me, I'd buy the AMD even though it costs more because it would be the best processor, period. And yes, it that makes me a bandwagon fanboy, then so be it. :lol:

Why not the X6800 or QX6700 then? :roll:

Reply to Heyyou27

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-AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ (Yes, I'm an AMD fanboy, and I got it for less money than any C2D including the E4300)
-Biostar Tforce 550 nForce 550MCP motherboard
-2x1gb Kingston HyperX DDR2 800, 4-4-4-12 memory
-eVGA GeForce 8800GTS 320mb stock speed
-Corsair 520-watt PSU (SeaSonic OEM)
-AeroCool ExtremEngine 3T case with 25cm and 14cm fans
-Sound Blaster Audigy SE (never, ever use onboard sound)
-Western Digital Caviar SE 250gb 16mb cache SATA HDD
-Samsung 18x DVD burner
-Acer AL2216Wbd 22" 5ms HDCP-compatible widescreen monitor

1) You could have gotten the 6000+ for the price of the 5200+ on April 9th.



Once again, not at the cheap eBay price I got the 5200+ for. It was a catching a good opportunity thing.

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2) Why Biostar?



I like them. They've served me well on my current machine. And the Tforce 550 is the cheapest nForce 5x mobo from a reputable manufacturer.

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3) The Seagate Barracuda 16MB 250GB with Perpendicular Recording is the same price as that Caviar and yet outperforms it.



It's also too noisy; I already have a Seagate external and it sounds like a dying bird every time it spins up. WD is supposed to be quieter.

Reply to AeroB1033
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I am definately not flaming you. Just trying to help.

The same reason you like Biostar is the opposite of why I don't like Gigabyte.
You must have gotten one hell of a deal on that 5200+. Good job.
My internal Barracudas are incredibly quiet. My Cheetahs on the other hand... When my rig starts up it sounds like a plane is flying over my house.

Reply to proof

I know you're not flaming, I wasn't trying to start an argument or anything, just explaining my choices :)

Reply to AeroB1033

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Me, I'd buy the AMD even though it costs more because it would be the best processor, period. And yes, it that makes me a bandwagon fanboy, then so be it. :lol:

Why not the X6800 or QX6700 then? :roll:

There's no proof that they're the best processor currently. You can overclock C2D's to perform better than overclocked quads. Quads don't have much room to overclock.

The e6600 is probably the sweetspot, actually, when it comes to C2D's. Fast enough not to bottleneck 8800's and just as fast or faster than the quads.

Reply to pongrules

How did this Amd related build list turn to Intel ? Ill never turn to the darkside, someone throw in a Amd comment non negative! LOL

Athlon 64 X2 6000+
Evga 8800 GTS 640 Mb
2 GB DDR2 800 Gskill Ram
BFG SLI 590 Mb
XFI ExtremeGamer sound
Zalman 9500 Cooler
Thermaltake Toughpower 750W Ps
Gateway 24' 1920 x 1200 Flat Panel DVI-D

Framerate in BF2142 ... Priceless

Reply to soldier37
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You can overclock the X6800 to 3.6 on air and it has been clocked over 4 with phase and liquid cooling.

Reply to proof

I've seen posts where people have overclocked the e6600 to 3.6 stable on air as well and over 4 with other cooling solutions. Best processor for the price, I think. I haven't tried overclocking mine yet and I probably won't until I need it to perform better for some reason. Right now, I can run the card with the highest options turned on and games with the highest options turned on at 1600 x 1200 resolution and I still don't get any hiccups.

Reply to pongrules

I was probably part of that hijacking. Mea Culpa. But I'll say something positive about AMD's. They used to make the best processors. :lol: Kidding, kidding.

Reply to pongrules

I should be getting my parts in within the next few hours... posting to come (hopefully with some eye candy if I can find a camera).

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