The Fall of AMD = The fall of PC Gaming? (question)

If AMD falls....

will PC gaming fall with it?

Intel will have no reason to drop prices of its mid to high end with AMD gone and VIA not yet ready to step in.

will HIGH COST pc's after AMD is gone...run all the gamers to the consoles?

Dude, you're starting to sound like Sharikou. Please, stop it.

I have to agree with BM.
Stop with the chicken little, "The sky is falling" crap. AMD isn't going anywhere. Sure, they are in a bit of trouble right now, but that doesn't mean it's a deathnail for them.

Dude, you're starting to sound like Sharikou. Please, stop it.

just asking a question.... i am dealing in some what if scenarios we all need to be preparing for...

ask the 3dfx zombies.... they said the same things u are saying now.

Well, did PC gaming fall when 3dFX disappeared? That should answer your question...

Dude, you're starting to sound like Sharikou. Please, stop it.

just asking a question.... i am dealing in some what if scenarios we all need to be preparing for...

ask the 3dfx zombies.... they said the same things u are saying now.

The reason 3DFX went under is because nVidia had the first 3D card with 2D functions and it wasted the VooDoo 6000(?). They had to exist only on gamer income whereas the Riva128 was a "desktop" card also.
AMD has 25% of the world market. That means that though some bonuses and extra expenditures maybe put off until next year, they will NOT go out of business.

I mean even though they the highest debt to cash ratio, they will also sell more chips than they sold when it was lower. I guess we'll see with their Q1 YoY numbers.

AMD vs INTEL

is identical to the movie 300


INTEL is the Perseian army

AMD is Sparta

sure Sparta's 300 did well against unspeakable odds

but in the end ...they fell

Threads like this one make me wish there were two CPU forums, one for meaningless AMD/Intel flamewars like this and one for legit CPU discussions.

i was just nominated for AMD FAN boi of the month last month

If that unlikely event were to happen, PC gaming would continue on the same path. Supply and demand, as long as their is demand for PC gaming there will be someone who will supply it. As for high cost, I believe if no one else stepped up into intel's realm then yes price would most likely go up.

look man i want ADM to survive too

i own amd RIGHT NOW.... AMD fallin would be horrible

the worst

we lucky we had Ati around ust like we are lucky we have VIA around

back then people said hh ATI cant step up:

just like people are saying about via...

I will just go back to my pentium 2 400Mhz, play starcraft, half life, red alert, unreal tournament, ahh the good ole days..

Microsoft will have more to do with the demise of pc gaming then Amd or Intel.

I will just go back to my pentium 2 400Mhz, play starcraft, half life, red alert, unreal tournament, ahh the good ole days..

On a slightly different note, both my son and myself have been dissapointed in a lot of the games produced in the past couple years. To some extent, we feel that PC gaming is failing anyway. Too many games come out in less then beta form. I mean, the first thing that happens when we buy a game is to start loading all the patches we can find, and then sometimes find so many bugs that we loose interest and go find something else to do. And then there are the games in which the bugs never get fixed. Starcraft, etc were pretty playable out of the box. Wish there had been a Starcraft 3, similar to Warcraft 3. Though Warcraft 3 had a few things we didn't like, we thought it was fairly good overall. And, after all, Starcraft: Broodwars set a stage for a next episode, one that never got made.

See my post above:

Haha, I wasn't sure if thats what you actually meant, so I decided to get my nose into things, But I'm rather glad you haven't gone to the darkside haha, btw i like intel as much as amd but intel is still evil

Baron...we all know u are a great man here..and known all over the web for your knowledge on high end pc's

however... on this... you are blind to the facts

VIA is the only hope at this point....

i can read the tea leaves



See my post above:

That's dumb and shortsighted, did you watch to the end of the movie? Sure the greeks are outnumbered 3 to 1, but, those are good odds for a Spartan.

Actually, the Spartans were outnumbered closer to 500 to 1, and they still did serious damage to the invading Persians. Kind of makes you wonder, what if the Spartans had 400 men? As it was, just like the men at the Alamo, their seemingly suicidal action gave time for the rest of the Greeks to get organized and win the war.

Did you win?

No one wins fanboi of the month. They tried to declare a winner a few years' back, but it got ugly. Basically, it got down to a couple of people, but when they announced the results of the head-to-head, the end result was disputed and everyone called each other 'fanbois'. In the end, they had to invite Jeb Bush in to settle it impartially...

What makes you think PC gaming won't fall even WITH AMD alive?

Price out a Q6700 system with two 8800GTX's. Is that reasonable for an everyday computer? Is it price competitive with any console out there? Maybe both AMD and ATI aren't competitive, and you see high prices already?

Better question: is PC gaming defined by exotic top-end computers, or can budget systems adequately participate?

Someone was right in this thread that it has to do with software developers, but they would be wrong if they presumed developers would all pick one route. On the one hand, if you cater to exotic machines you'll have the upper hand in visuals and stimulate the hardware market looking forward. On the other, if you cater to everyday machines you'll have to focus on good gameplay to compete, but your starting consumer base becomes much larger.

AMD falling would hardly impact our perception of the gaming market.

look ANGELINA JOLIE.... this is a hardcore hardware forum

you want to discuss issues that concern the world outsie of computers...go seek that forum and speak on it


ok sparky

I think the point may very well be that there comes a point where it's not even worth considering a hypothetical. You're giving this issue some really shriekish urgency that's winding people up. I don't like people telling you to shut up or stop, but you do have to admit that you've brought this topic up elsewhere (I think it got locked) and you haven't taken any of the points onboard. Namely:
1. The FABs will still be there.
2. The brand is worth a lot in itself.
3. Their new chips look pretty exciting all in all.
4. It's not in Intel's interest to screw them over (for the same reason that Microsoft needs Apple). The signs are that Intel are trying to claw back some of their lost market, but not obliterate AMD (but this is obviously open to interpretation).
5. Their current range is still selling and is still competitive.

Btw, how long are we giving this thread until it gets locked? I'm going for 3 more hours...

good observation. the spartans held off the persians long enough for the greeks to mobalize.

In fact LordPope,

These tactics are something that even my 9 year old son has already learned to deal with/stop doing.

So I guess, I again call into question your age?

Jamie,

You are classified as an emotional poster if you do not agree to follow along with his rants.

Well, last time he did say I was on Crystal Meth... I guess that would make me pretty emotional, right?

I accept that AMD is spending a lot of money and they need to in order to develope a new, better product. But your last words, "release their new line later" has become their problem. The R600 was initially supposed to come out before Dec, then got delayed, and delayed again and we're still waiting. Same thing is happening in the cpu lineup, continual delays. I really wish they would release something instead of just sitting around and doing nothing.

Ok, that said, maybe they are having some problems with the hardware, drivers, or something else. I could accept that, if they would just be honest enough to say, "We're having some problems". In my opinion, it would have been better if instead of announcing a release date and then going through repeated delays, they would have simply said they had a new lineup in the works and made no anounced release dates. Then we could have looked forward to a new cpu and a new video card and not faced the continual disappointments.

Remember the old saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me"? As it stands, we've been fooled more times than that, so I no longer trust anything that AMD says. I just get irritated about it. Oh well, such is my opinion.