Old Lady needs help!WOW - Page 3 - CPUs

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We shouldnt ban anybody from the THG forumz cause I believe strongly in the freedom of speech, but add these idiots to a shortlist, with an icon that pops up next to their name in the post, so that everyone knows they are not credible and only there to waste oxygen/bandwidth.

Maybe even add them to one's ignore list so that replies from these twats dont even show up in your post. Any other ideas?

Reply to fishboi

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I know I just said in a post earlier to avoid integrated graphics, but this article just popped up on my radar screen and I thought of you...

http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/03/08/ [...] dgraphics/

It seems that it may be just what you are looking for, and it would save you quite a good chunk of green. Money that can be put into other things... such as bad ass peripherals.

Reply to lca806

I know it looks like one mouse but that's actually a soft covering over the controls. It has right, left, and small ball scroller in the center not a dial. It's the beauty of the design I have to respect as a retired art teacher. Not that the PC itself is so purty-that was sorta a joke, it's the aesthetic design in general that appeals to me. No tower in a 2" screen instead is nice and wireless keyboard and mouse make better use of ports. It has a built in bluetooth, wireless connection, and built in isight camera for video chat (with my 90 yr. old mom) or regualr video camera abilities. The lack of virus and spyware is a BIG plus. No geek or nerd wastes their time on this compared to a regular PC. 8O

I realize this isn't the right site to talk about this, I just wanted to address your question. :wink:

THE DOWNSIDE is that the graphics card truely SUXSand you can't upgrade very easlily and somethings not at all. :roll:

If your into building you'r own, that's the way to go... :wink:

lca806 WOW-thank you wooooo much. Really helps to address that question

Reply to KrazyKat

OK - I finally figured out what this card really is. DAH!

http://www.gpureview.com/show_card [...] card2=366#
I think this is it? the only dif is the bandwidth for speed in reading data?

not what I originnally thought. Yes, it's the best of integrated but still SUX

The upgrade to GeForce 7600GT is actually the GeForce Go 7600GT only available in the 24"$$$$$

Not even the sales people or support techs seem to explain this to me!

There is a difference here. :cry: but a bit better than I originally thought!

http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/03/08/ [...] dgraphics/

CYBERLINK to improve it's qualities? DOES this meand a DRIVER upgrade I need to download? :oops: OK for some games, but what about OBLIVIAN? HA!!!

Am I wrong or is this going to be DX10 upgradable? Isn't that what the article states? :? OR is this card a prob. I will have to get VISTA too right?

Oh crap! http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipse [...] spx?i=2942

Reply to KrazyKat

i really do not have time to read all 9 pages - but first it was a low cost computer then a apple - yuk!

know a 7600GT? will that play WoW? probably at 800x600 on a crt it will be fine!

GeForce Go 7600GT -- your getting a lap top now? thats a lap top card

Reply to dragonsprayer

Have you ever shopped with a woman they change their mind constantly you gotta just nod and say oh thats nice and keep up.

Reply to baldeagle

logainofhades

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Is it possible for you to be any more damn annoying? Second thought do not answer that because you do not know what the heck you are talking about anyway.

THANK YOU :wink: Guess DS dosen't realize the imac is sooo self contained in a 2" wide area behind the moniter it uses the same card as a laptop. How else does he think they fit it in there? :lol:

BaldEagle

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Have you ever shopped with a woman they change their mind constantly you gotta just nod and say oh thats nice and keep up

I am not shopping for a pair of SHOES, I am spending a lot of $ and trying to educate myself towards what is right for me based on the info I am gathering. I went from cheaper gaming PC to looking into building then got curious as to what an imac had to offer. I realize it's a bad move for gaming and upgrading (but for graphics , photo and video it's great and I like the fact that the viruses and spyware are limited) I also realized I had to spend more than the initial $600 to get anything decent at all,so I am still READING and ASKING questions. I am thinking of spending around 1,500. For everthing moniter and all.

I am presently looking into CYBERPOWER and DELL and HP Pvilion Media Center and iMAC. I decided I didn't want to build my own, but realize it's the BEST way to go and I understand now why people do it. 8) I respect their ability to do so:!:

Reply to KrazyKat

HEY, I've missed U! :wink:

Thanks once again for the BEST information I have had in awhile! I read over the sites and they are helping me a lot, just to know what these terms actually mean has been difficult at times.

I gave up on the MAC :oops: U were right, it has some great features which drew me in, but ultimately it was that SUXY graphics card and the inability to ever upgrade.

Looking into Dell-we'll my opinion of that is they are limited too. HP is a bit better and I may go that route. They are at leaste upgradeable for future.

I actually have put together a first build and working on it, but not as excited about putting it togeher anymore as those around me have been extremely DISCOURAGING- not this group, but more immediate than that. They control most of the $ and U know how important that is. I at leaste feel I need to bump up cost of monitor/tower/wireless keyboard to $1,700.00.

I have my Win. XP Pro I can install, but want to keep it VISTA adaptable or Vista preinstalled to get DX10 when available. (RIGHT?)

I have found a couple of younger college students who would help me and one trying to put a side business together building them for others like me. Not sure how much they would charge though. I can look into it.

Checked out CYBERPOWER and ALIENWARE, but might as well build my own for less and get the same if not better stuff. They both seem expensive to me at least CYBERPOWER is a bit better.

STILL thinkin and just really want to PLAY! :lol: Can U give me a loan for a VOODOO? :roll:

Don't spend too much time here as I am on a fence and U don't need to waste UR time with me for now.

Reply to KrazyKat

I've been reading this topic over that last couple days and I have to say most things people have been suggesting are overkill. The system requirements for WOW are so low that even a 2 year old computer could play it. world of warcraft system requirements

And I play Oblivion and all the newest games with my old D805 and 1gb of ram just fine.

Since you say you'll do a lot of video editing, you should get a good cpu. A 6400 or 6600 would be good and if you wait until april they will get cheaper.

A 7600gt would be good, maybe a stock overclocked version if you want to spend a little more cash. Don't worry about dx10, its too overpriced, the cards take too much power and the drivers aren't too good yet. A lot of games can still play with dx8 cards so don't worry about compatibility for newer games.

Like i said before, I play lots of new games on high detail and 1gb is fine. Then when you get lots of spyware and it starts to get slow you could add in another 1gb.

All the other stuff suggested way fine, and the computer would cost under $1000, way cheaper than dell or hp. Building a computer isn't too hard as long as you use logic and reasoning. You should have your son help you too because 2 brains are better than 1. And even if do break something, you could always try and send it back.

So when your building, just take your time, use logic, and if something is too hard or your unsure about anything, just post about it here.

Good Luck.

Reply to neokill3r

hergieburbur wrote

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Pretty much any high-end gaming machine you build that doesn't utilize and All in Wonder card will be Vista capable

OMG that sounds sooo funny to me now- I was actually looking at an all in one WONDER BOARD! :roll:

My hubby won't go for the build so I am looking into the
HP d4790y
Vista home prem
E6700 2.66GH(tried to make this good the first time!)
2GB DDR2-667MHz dual channel SDRAM (2x1024)
320GB DDR2-667MHz dual channel SDRAM (2x1024)
Lightscribe 16x DVD=/-R/RW SuperMulti drive
16x max. DVD-ROM
15 in 1 memory card reader, 3USB,!#($ audio
Wireless LAN PCI card
256MB Nividia GeForce 7600GT, HD, TV-out, 2 DVI(best I could do!)
Integrated 7.1 sound w/front audio ports
wireless keyboard and mouse
microsoft works 8.0
Norton 07 for 15 mos.
22" Wide LCD flat panel

got 250 off for educational disc. big whoop

1,879.99 - this blows I know but ....At leaste I can play OBLIVIAN 8)

Reply to KrazyKat

logainofhades

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get at least the main part of the system from something like cyberpower. You can then get a better video card. You will be pushing your luck for oblivion with a 7600gt. Also the quality of parts is better than what you would get from an HP

That's a good idea let me see :idea:

hergieburbur

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get a Barebones (typically Case, PSU, Mobo, CPU, and sometimes memory), and then add the VGA card and the HD and stuff yourself? If you are careful of what you are getting, you could get a great PC

I was rather disappointed in the Video card, I actually thought I could make sure everything works, then swap out the 7600GT and sell it?
Is this really stupid? :oops: I wanted a t leaste a 7900GS/7950GT or really the 8800GTS card which is DX10 capable like JonnyDough suggested. If something went wrong I'd be in a pickle I guess unless I had kept the darn 76ooGT and stuck it back in before any repairs? :?

NEOKILLER Forgot to address your good statement about WOW not being that demanding. U R right, but I also want to play OBLIVIAN and that I am afraid is a bit of a beaste. :evil: It takes up 4.6 GB hard space which is ok, but the graphics card is recommended ATI x800 series /GeForce 6800 or higher. I may be just cutting it with the 7600GT and for now it may be ok, but it won't be for long. These games are getting more and more demanding and although I don't consider myself a heavy gamer I do like to play specific games and it's a MY TIME that's why I splurged on the 22" monitor. I actually got that for $275.00 and I compaired that to an ACER for less quality and more $ so I thought that was a good decision. I still don't know how to pay for all this. I have 2 kids and pets and other things I pay for - I'm feeling a bit selfish. I have justified this because I never get my hair done or my nails (like most women) and I don't really don't go anywhere anylonger. I take a nice trip every few years and I do have very nice things and a bute new house so when I buy I tend to NICE. MY husband drives a saab convertable with heated leather seats I found for him and I found myself a used saturn VUE with cloth seats all wheel drive. I guess I feel I deserve this, even though I only get 1,000 potion of the tax $ for the first time in 27 years. Maybe this is about more than a computer-OH MY 8O

Reply to KrazyKat

hergieburbur

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Whether the PSU is powerful enough
Most higher end cards require a separate PCI-e power connection directly to the card. Does the PSU included in the system have one?

OK- if I get this right :?:

Has;
PCI expansion: 5 including 1 PCI express slot (for the graphics card upgrade?)

I believe this would have power directly to the card as it's not fused to the MOBO like the iMac was. That All in one WONDER HA! :lol:

The power supplly is a lame 350Watts-is that enough?

Oh, not that it's a biggy but I get a free 100.00 all in one printer thrown in and everything is free SH. I also like the fact that I can refuse it all or return free of charge within 21 days (I assume[/b] this is after I receive everything) :roll:

logainofhades

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get at least the main part of the system from something like cyberpower. You can then get a better video card. You will be pushing your luck for oblivion with a 7600gt. Also the quality of parts is better than what you would get from an HP

Maybe this would be the best idea do to 500 watts power supply and 8800GT as well. I have read a few horror stories with getting this equipment in good shape and other problems. Guess I am worried about the HELP later on and service.
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/infxlc.asp?v=d

JonnyDough

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The trick is to find a good balance between the speeds of your parts. It also makes a difference on what you intend to do though. If you're just dealing with pictures, you don't need a top of the line graphics card. A faster processor and ram will be more important.

I think I've at leaste done that! BUT is this good enough graphics card for the games I want :?:

neokill3r

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I've been reading this topic over that last couple days and I have to say most things people have been suggesting are overkill. The system requirements for WOW are so low that even a 2 year old computer could play it. world of warcraft system requirements

And I play Oblivion and all the newest games with my old D805 and 1gb of ram just fine.

Since you say you'll do a lot of video editing, you should get a good cpu. A 6400 or 6600 would be good and if you wait until april they will get cheaper.

A 7600gt would be good, maybe a stock overclocked version if you want to spend a little more cash. Don't worry about dx10, its too overpriced, the cards take too much power and the drivers aren't too good yet. A lot of games can still play with dx8 cards so don't worry about compatibility for newer games.

If I can upgrade in a couple of years to a better graphics card, isn't that ultimately all that matters? If I had more confidence in CYBERPOWER to go with them I would, but I hope that 350 Watt power supply can handle an upgrade otherwise I'm better off trusting CYBERPOWER. LMK :roll:

Reply to KrazyKat

THIS IS NOT GOOD NEWS! :cry:
I am not sure if all these upgrades is cost effective in the end. I do get VISTA ready so I can go with DX10 later, but it sounds like VISTA has been a gamers nightmare. :twisted:

Guess I'll look at CYBERPOWER again. :roll:

Reply to KrazyKat

We're on the same page I just put this together before your last reply!!!8) but it needs tweeking :wink:
(Saw that monitor U suggested earlier and almost mared ti so that would do and it was -40.00)

GAMER INFINITY XLC -sorta not happy with any doors on my case!

*BASE_PRICE: [+1715]
CAS: Hot New! NZXT Zero Aluminum Full Tower 420W Case (Black/Silver Color)
CASUPGRADE: NONE
CPU: (Sckt775)Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E6700 CPU @ 2.66GHz 1066FSB 2x2MB L2 Cache EM64T [+230]
CD: (Special Price) 18X DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW DRIVE DUAL LAYER (BLACK COLOR)
CD2: 16X DVD ROM (BLACK COLOR)
CABLE: None
FLASHMEDIA: None
FREEBIE_VC: FREE! Dark Messiah - Might And Magic
FREEBIE_CU: FREE! Cyberpower Unleash The Power T-Shirt ($19.99 Value)
FAN: CoolerMaster Liquid CPU Cooling Fan System Kit + 2 EXTRA CASE FANS
FLOPPY: NONE [-5]
HDD: Single Hard Drive (320GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD [+26])
HDD2: NONE
IEEE_CARD: NONE
KEYBOARD: (Keyboard & Mouse Combo) Logitech Cordless Desktop EX 110 Keyboard & Mouse [+24]
MOUSE: Logitech Optical Wheel Mouse (BLACK COLOR)
MODEM: PCI 56K V.92 FAX MODEM W/ VOICE
MOTHERBOARD: (Quad-Core Supports) MSI P6N SLI-FI nForce 650i SLI Chipset LGA775 FSB1333 DDR2 Mainboard
MEMORY: (Req.DDR2 MainBoard)2GB (2x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory (Corsair Value Select or Major Brand)
MONITOR: ViewSonic VG2230WM 22" Color TFT Active Matrix SXGA+ LCD Display Monitor [+368]
MONITOR2: NONE
NETWORK: ONBOARD 10/100 NETWORK CARD
OS: Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Home Premium
PRINTER: None
PRINTER_CABLE: None
PRO_WIRING: None
PPU: NONE
POWERSUPPLY: **Recommended** NZXT PF-500 500Watt Power Supply
RUSH: NO; READY TO SHIP IN 5~10 BUSINESS DAYS
SERVICE: STANDARD WARRANTY: 3-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY PLUS 24/7 LIFE-TIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT
SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
SPEAKERS: (BLACK) Creative Labs SBS 580 5.1 Surround Subwoofer Speaker System
TEMP: NONE (AS SHOWN)
TVRC: None
USBHD: NONE
UPS: None
USB: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
VIDEOCAMERA: NONE
VIDEO: NEW!!! NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 320MB 16X PCI Express (EVGA Powered by NVIDIA [+5])
VIDEO2: NONE [-270]
WNC: PCI Wireless 802.11g 54Mbps Network Interface Card [+19]
WAP: NONE
ZIP: NONE
_PRICE: (+2112)

BTW-HP return policy
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/ [...] xchange.do

Reply to KrazyKat

cyber power suxs

you should run dual xp and vista - partition your drive - use your old systems coa and install home premium

have local builder - build for you - you buy the parts

Reply to dragonsprayer

I agree with hergieburbur proposed configuration --- I think you could even go down one noch on the cpu and save even more money.

Also hiergieburber is right in saying its better to start with lessor model and build up from there. I usually look at where the big price jumps are when selecting the options especially when cost is of concern --- most time there is not much of a performance increase when selecting this way --- not saying performance cant be improved --- but the cost to performance ratio can skyrocket if you ignore price (which some people are seeming to ignore in here --- apparently they think your a millionaire). The approach hergieburber did is usually my approach. Somethings like memory you have to spend extra on --- you at least need 1 gigabyte for xp ---- but agree with heirgieburgers 2 gigs as vista would need it (and xp can always use the extra especially in gaming --- but you could reduce this to 1 gig and still get decent gaming performance if using xp --- just depends on what you can afford and if you are using xp --- for vista you have to have 2 gigs in my opinion.

Xp maybe choice for operating system ---- I have also heard vista is not good for gaming --- and therefore may want to go with xp right now if gaming is your primary goal. Maybe vista could be put on vm using 2007 for now --- but does add costs to have both os's.--- dont think the video card selected support dx10 anyways--- this is not issue if xp is being used ---maybe xp is best bet as dx10 cards are overpriced (starting around $300) and dont know if any games yet that support dx10 yet.

Hope this helps you ---- think hergieburber is on track --- you dont need a $2000 plus system to do gaming

Reply to dsharp9000

this thread is destine to be a sticky!

from build it yourself to apple to cyber power - title could be:

" My quest for a WoW PC" one women's odyssey to find the prefect pc at the the perfect price!!

it could be made into a book - a mini series or how about on 30 min special on home and garden!

Reply to dragonsprayer

i think? (i am not going to look it up) i said back on page 1 or 2 an e4300 and p5n - 2.8ghz with a gts for $1000 killer pc!

Reply to dragonsprayer

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I agree with hergieburbur proposed configuration --- I think you could even go down one noch on the cpu and save even more money.

Also hiergieburber is right in saying its better to start with lessor model and build up from there. I usually look at where the big price jumps are when selecting the options especially when cost is of concern --- most time there is not much of a performance increase when selecting this way --- this appears to be what hergieburber did and is usually my approach.

Xp maybe choice for operating system ---- I have also heard vista is not good for gaming --- and therefore may want to go with xp right now if gaming is your primary goal. Maybe vista could be put on vm using 2007 for now --- but does add costs to have both os's.--- dont think the video card selected support dx10 anyways--- this is not issue if xp is being used ---maybe xp is best bet as dx10 cards are overpriced (starting around $300) and dont know if any games yet that support dx10 yet.

What do thin

think? (i am not going to look it up) i said back on page 1 or 2 an e4300 and p5n - 2.8ghz with a gts for $1000 killer pc!

-------

reinstall your old xp and dual boot vista - $1000 - give a local builder $100 after he reads this he or she will do it!

Reply to dragonsprayer

This thread is still going on? God forbid it turns into another "Old computer working" or "Thanks for the No Help" thread.

Reply to dasickninja

DP

Reply to dasickninja

But those we're the days eh?

Reply to dasickninja

not sure what you mean about "you think I am not going to look this up" --- was just trying to help and give opinion.

not trying to endorse cyberpower as this is just one option as a vendor

Think for her to hire somebody to do a custom build may cost to much and sometimes is not desirable as people want the computer ready and dont want a lot of parts laying around waiting to be put together. But this does not eliminate this as option --- just think cyberpower may cost same or be cheaper once you get done with hiring a custom builder ---- maybe not --- did not try configuring your system in cyberpower to really see what cost would be under your proposed config.

Sorry if i offended you in anyway as this was not my intent --- peace.

Reply to dsharp9000

Dragonsprayer,

Looked at your configuration also on page 1 (sorry I didnt look at it before as this thing is 10 pages long) and believe it is well thought out and costs less than configuration from hiegeburber (he also includes a new 20 inch monitor, 2 gigs of mem vs. 1 gig, etc and some other things -- like more costly cpu which I suggested could be dropped down a notch) --- thus your configuration is more cost effective --- not sure why you need 700 watt power supply though --- would seem 450 watts would be sufficient unless running dual sli graphic cards??

Reply to dsharp9000

OK LISTEN UP :lol:

Let's call it a nite here. I have more than enough info and I can make a good decision based on what everyone has told me. I want to thank you my, "LOYAL SUBJECTS", but me thinks I have asked enough of U already. :wink:

I promise not to buy a MAC and will get something good for gaming yet, I can do my photos and stuff on. I will try to not overspend on things I don't really need and can't afford anyway! :lol:

I will come back to this site and read rather than ask and I won't be buying from anyone here so don't bother asking me again.

As this SAGA comes to a close I would like to dedicate this long HEROIC story to:

JonnyDough the "Hawt" BRAIN
hergieburbur the "Wise" HEART
logainofhades the ADVISOR
ches111 the SISTA
RetiredChief the HEALER
DragonSprayer the PLAYER
sviola the ADVOCATE
whrzmud the CHART KEEPER
4ryan6 the PRIEST
sirheck the DEACON
lca806 the REALIST
DaSickNinja the INQUISITOR

And if I forgot anyone along the way, this OLD LADY just wants to say;
"THANK YOU" :wink: And Let the GAMES begin! 8)

Reply to KrazyKat

Kat,

Definitely NOT a Sista Last time I checked anyway about thirty or so minutes ago

Just hate to see people like yourself leave the site. Something different to offer...

Good luck on your buy!!

Reply to Ches111

Yupper!!

Reply to Ches111

Or did'nt

Sorry had to!!

Reply to Ches111

OMG, I am ssssoooo :oops: I guess I am mmmmmmiiiixxxxed up due to:

ches111

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Kat,

I hope you do not let folks allow the above to happen. It would be a shame to lose a forum member (of the other persuasion ) just because of a pissing match. Your differing view/s may be/is needed here. So not to sound like an ass.. I would like it if you would stay. We need all types of backgrounds/people here and sadly we may be lacking in folks like yourself.

HHHHHHHHAAAAAAA!!!!! :lol: Now that is funny!

But I'll always think of U as my SISTA! due to our bonding :wink:

I thought U guys would be sick as hell of me by now in my:
SEEEKING THE TRUTH QUEST! 8O

I'll be glad to stay if U really think I have something to contribute, not sure in a knowlede based site like this that I really can, but OPINIONS- oh yea, that I got

I have learned so much from all of U and can actually carry on a somewhat educated converstion regarding PC parts and what they do. I like that

MY biggest concern at the moment is I ordered that expensive HP and now I realize the power supply sucks at 350WATTS and 7600GT is just ok for now. I didn't consider those factors before hergieburbur THE WISE HEART mentioned it. I spent way too much mainly because I WANT TO PLAY, and I would have been fine if I hadn't of thrown in that 22" W LCD screen. I think I did that to REBEL against my Husbands being so non-understanding towards my gaiming late at night when everyone else is sleeping! :x My only recourse now would be to SUCK IT UP and enjoy for 2 years and up grade for big bucks later on or refuse it at the door and start over. :cry: I've overpowered the Processor at E6700 and underpoweered the Video card with 7600GT(can't get better with prebuilt HP) and the power supply SUCKS at 350Watts should have been 450W or better, for upgrading abilities. Hate to admit it but even DELL has better graphic card available! :roll:
For around $2000, the XPS 710 (the XPS machines are specifically designed for gaming) has a 750W power supply that will power any video card on the market...both now and in the foreseeable future.(or dual video cards...the 710 model has dual SLI compatible 16X PCI-E slots)

You could get one configured as follows:

Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E6600 (4MB L2 Cache,2.4GHz,1066 FSB)
Genuine Windows® XP Media Center 2005 Edition with re-installation CD
Express Upgrade to Windows Vista Home Premium from XP Media Center Edition
2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz - 2 DIMMs
250GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache™
Dual Drives: 16x DVD-ROM Drive + 16x DVD+/-RW w/ dbl layer write capable
19 inch E197FP Analog Flat Panel
256MB nVidia GeForce 7900 GS
Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio

Total: $2,049 (before any applicable discounts)

...or XPS 410 (375W PSU w/dual 18amp rails.. which will accommodate some higher end cards)

Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E6600 (4MB L2 Cache,2.4GHz,1066 FSB)
Genuine Windows Vista™ Home Premium
2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz - 2 DIMMs
250GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache™
Dual Drives: 48x Combo + 16x DVD+/-RW w/ dbl layer write capable
20 inch E207WFP Widescreen Digital Flat Panel
256MB nVidia GeForce 7900 GS
Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ XtremeMusic (D) Sound Card

Total: $1,669

Sorry I didn't ask here first, but I really am sick of this already and my husband won't give me the 1,000 towards building myself soooo. I guess the CYBERPOWER would have been more cost effective and given me better choices in graphics card and power supply, but I have read a lot of negative comments about their using UPS/tech support/standing by the products and such. :roll:

If U want to talk the SEEKER OF TRUTH will listen 8)

Reply to KrazyKat

Kat,

IMHO, a key thing to remember about HP (and most systems made by large corps) is that they design and sell their computer systems to last within the warranty period with no changes.

When the end user decides to upgrade the system, the parts that the design engineers selected based upon the power requirements of the system usually are not up to the task of powering the upgraded parts.

In my year of "phone tech support hell" for HP Pavilions I took many calls from people that would buy entry level computers, these fine patrons then wanted to make the computer better but never checked to see if the power supply (that barely had enough power to keep up with the unit in it's original configuration) would run the new hardware without exceeding the ratings of the power supply.

This is not to discourage you from your purchase of the HP system, you should be able to replace/upgrade the power supply (after you make sure the computer runs okay for a while) later as long as you remember to research what kind of power supply will work in the HP. Dells are known for using "special" power supplies, hopefully for you HP doesn't.

Reply to blunc

Blunc,

You are very right..

Back in the day (1992) I sold computers (part time outside of the Air Force) for a company called "Computer City".

Around Christmas time I had many many people come in for a specific Canon Computer! Yeah Canon actually released a computer at one time.

The canon had a 145W power supply when everyone else was using a 250W for the same configuration. Th infant mortality rate for those machines were horrible > 50%.

Turns out Consumer Reports was recommending it as "one of the best"/"editors choice"/... Whatever they call it.. People wanted that machine and I could not discourage them from it because of CR...

I could not figure out for the life of me WHY people had to have this machine. Then two weeks later a guy walks in and points to a machine in CR and says this is what they recommend and this is what I want.

It was the Canon Machine 8O 8O 8O

Real quality reporting from CR on that one (((((NOT))))

Reply to Ches111

this is a huge ass topic.

Reply to Lionhardt

OH WISE HEART, I am anything but happy :cry:

Called the dips at HP today and explained to them I had been misinformed and no longer interested in the build. Told them they should not be in the business of selling a GAMING PC if they are going to overkill the Processor, Underkill the graphics card and under underkill the power supply. This is not the UPGRADABLE PC I had been told I was getting.

I was told they could not upgrade for me at any price, nor can they cancel my order, but would be more than happy to replace my order with a better laptop! GEEEEZZZZ. I said no thanks and told them how stupid this whole thing is that they couldn't cancel my build placed 1 day ago, yet could make me a laptop instead! Holy S_ _ _! The last 2 people I talked to were heavy on the Indian accents just kike DELL> I told her I would just refuse the items as they came, but she said no you must accept them and call for a pick up. SH return is free, but what if they pull a restocking fee I'll flip and this will take a long time so I am gonna look like a complete IDIOT when my husband sees the cr. card bill 8O

Oh well, isn't the first time I've screwed up :lol:

Now, Gotta decide what to do here. :roll: As much as I hate to admit it at leaste Dell actually offers a gaming PC prebuilt. Does anyone have first hand experience with CYBERPOWER?

OMG- I could have built 4 of these by now!!!!! :wink:

JonnyDough

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I can get an 8800GTS now!

CONGRATS sounds really HAWT :twisted:

Reply to KrazyKat

ches111 SISTA

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Turns out Consumer Reports was recommending it as "one of the best"/"editors choice"/... Whatever they call it.. People wanted that machine and I could not discourage them from it because of CR...

Have to admit before I found U guys I was going by Consumer Reports too! :oops:

People who don't know put their faith and trust in these sites, especially when buying high ticket items like home appliances,PC's and the like :roll:

Reply to KrazyKat

I think i mentioned hp earlier or in other threads

1st they use asus mother boards and make a single change and thriple the price - i replace many hp mobos with $50 asus mobos when hp wanted $250

2nd they scam people by selling a bus speed and using slower memory etc. i know i got one for someone

call your local pc shop see if they know about gaming pc's negotiate a price and order the parts. you might find a small pc shop to help you

the best deal is a used pc - you can get a $1500 pc that's 6 months back in technology for half or less

all the savings you can repair or replace any issues and still have $500 left

Reply to dragonsprayer

Johnny,

She is right... If she refuses the order she may have to pay a restocking fee.

Kat,

Few things.. Get a hold of the first person you hear on the phone and ask for immediate escalation to "Second Level" This is usually the person that speaks "American ) (a little funny from another thread). Once you have second level explain to them your issue.

Ask if there is a restocking fee if the order is canceled.

Finally, call your credit card company and ask them if they can intervene.. You might be surprised.

Reply to Ches111

Can you say Best Buy and Circuit City?

8O 8O

Both are in the business of RE-stocking fees now!!

Reply to Ches111

HELP, I fell and I can't getty up! :lol:

hergieburbur

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According to HPs return policy, she has 21 days to return for a FULL refund. She can refuse to accept the order and should get her money back.

ches111

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She is right... If she refuses the order she may have to pay a restocking fee.

Ask if there is a restocking fee if the order is canceled.

Finally, call your credit card company and ask them if they can intervene.. You might be surprised.

I told them I would just refuse the order when it showed up and they said no you must accept it and call us to arrange a pick up. I'll talk to someone bigger and make sure. I think what really stinks is I have to wait for the damn thing and it won't get here til the end of the mo.

Will do all the above. I'm so pissed off at HP I don't care if they charge a restock fee (we'll yea I really do) but will not keep the crapola. BOY I can't believe how I let cute young TONY play me :roll: He seemed sooo sweet and knowledgable and wanted to get the right system to suit my needs-HA 8O
Well I have some phone calls to make, yet still can't PLAY!
I could have built 10 by now! :lol:

ches111

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escalation to "Second Level" This is usually the person that speaks "American

OMG This is becoming a POLITICAL issue here. Where are our boundries anyway? You have to wonder am I safe? Did the government ever really take care of me? Why are Medical Insurance lawyers heartless and is Everything about $ in the end? YEA :wink:
RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE

Reply to KrazyKat

After reading through this post I had to jump in now that is has been active for so long. KrazyKat you have to keep us posted on your PC purchase progress. I know this has been a process, but with the advice that you get on this forum your in good hands. Yea its very confusing and frustrating but look at it as a learning curve. Before this post you probally wouldn't have known that a 250W power supply wouldn't cut it if you wanted a high end video card. Now you do. That is just one example of the things you have learned on this post , or quest as it has become.

GOOD LUCK IN YOUR QUEST!!!!!!!!!!!

Reply to scorch

JonnyDough

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Every company's core contigency is STILL to make money, and if appearing to be good works, they'll be more than happy to do it.

I hear ya! and actually I am not sure what the others R refuring to when they say U R an ASS. I find your candid replies refreshing. Hey, at least I know where I stand with U, better than most people. Hi how are you? They should say, Hi, I don't really care how U R just tell me how will your state effect me!

As far as what U want to do with you're life I am all for it. Sounds like a solid plan. I was fortunate enough to teach art in Australia for 3 yrs. and traveled extensively throughout S.E.Asia. Later I traveled the US, Europe & more! Best times of my life. I stress travel to my kids all the time!

Your a smart young man and I wish you and your daughter all the best. HEALTH, now that's something you can't buy so cheerish your girl always. I know this first hand. Fighting the Doctors and Lawyers was one of the tuffest battles I ever had. End the end it was all about the $ as is everything. ETHICS? Sad but some things are a part of the past I'm afraid.

JonnyDough

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I get tired of the off topic posts. I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to learn about computers and to share about computers. The personal stuff? I keep that personal.

OOOPPPPSS- guess we're getting off topic here too! :lol:

Called HP- 3 hours later and they just can't stop the ole production line blues. I have to call for a return pick up to get the free sh return at the end of the mo. and no restock fee. Boy do I feel STUPID :roll:

OK- I really see why people stick it to the MAN and build their own. Can U beleive the only way to solve my problem was to buy a better gaming performer a LAPTOP (they said it was easier to upgrade) OUT OF THIER MINDS!!!!suggested by 2nd HP broken Eng. person and the 3rd broken Eng. person suggested I buy a VOODOO I suggested he send me one ASAP for the same price and everyone could call it a day. I told all of them they should be assamed for calling this a GAMING PC and taking advatage of my TRUST in them. I also let them know thier compeitor DELL made a gaming PC for the same price. When I pointed out the dif. in power supply, video card they didn't have a clue what I was talking about. THESE people sell this stuff and they don't have a clue and I told them how dissappointed I was, but all I got was we'll it's too late it's already in production. I said-shit I've been calling for 2 days and certainly the first 3 calls would have caught it before PRODUCTION!!!! I would be better off driving to the factory (opps flying to the factory) and ripping it out of thier FINGERS!

Reply to KrazyKat

logainofhades

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It just makes ya love big business don't it? Now go yell at your husband for not letting you build your own. Honestly I can not believe you listened to him in the first place and I think this experience is kinda proving that you shouldn't have. What were his reasons anyway for not letting you DIY?

I have to say this has been a good learning experience and yea, abit EMPOWERING! :idea: Think I'll build one myself and husband can go off on his tirate, at least I don't let it get to me anymore-the hitting part has stopped! This has been a power struggle since day one, but I am a survivor of a bad childhood and I guess we tend to gravitate trowards what we know. I think this build is still wrapped up in CONTROL issues so I need to do this and do it right!

b]hergieburbur [/b]

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[Pens are staying in Pittsburgh

$$$$$$ it's always about the money! Who ever thought the COLTS from where originally? would go on to beat the PATRIOTS> that game sucked anyway. I am in MASS now but orig. from Indianapolis and grew up in good ole WIs Greenbay country? And where's the CHEESE now? Iwant the CHEESE...Really I am not into sports much, just some things are ingrained at birth, you can't really grow up in WI and not wear a cheesehat! :lol:

SCORTCH

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After reading through this post I had to jump in now that is has been active for so long. KrazyKat you have to keep us posted on your PC purchase progress. I know this has been a process, but with the advice that you get on this forum your in good hands. Yea its very confusing and frustrating but look at it as a learning curve. Before this post you probally wouldn't have known that a 250W power supply wouldn't cut it if you wanted a high end video card. Now you do. That is just one example of the things you have learned on this post , or quest as it has become.

GOOD LUCK IN YOUR QUEST!!!!!!!!!!!

OH SOOOO TRUE! and yes I will. I am going to put together a build and get back to U all-THE TRUTH SEEKER

Reply to KrazyKat

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Anyone is capable of building a pc if they take the time to learn and of course read instructions.

Yet no one seems to read the fockin manual...

Reply to dasickninja

.... *Busts a blood vessel*

@logainofhades
Sage was cooler...

Reply to dasickninja

Kat,

What part of Australia?

I lived/worked in Woomera South Australia for 4.5 years total!!

Reply to Ches111

<---- hollers out the door..."Come on KK, get back in here and give us an update!!"

Except for the bickering earlier, this was a great post to read, and am cheering for Kat, hoping she gets that box returned, rolls up her sleeves, (and her son's)...and gets to work!!

Reply to donw_43

No problem my MINIONS :lol:

My first build:

Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail $313.00 Free 3 Business Day Shipping
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ASUS P5N32-E SLI Plus LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 650i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $199.99 3 Business Day Shipping $6.94
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CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail $232.00 ($192.00 after $40.00 Mail-In Rebate) Free 3 Business Day Shipping
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EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail $299.99 ($279.99 after $20.00 Mail-In Rebate) 3 Business Day Shipping $6.13
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Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 (Perpendicular Recording) ST3250620AS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $74.99 Free 3 Business Day Shipping
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ORshould I bump it up to 320GB?

Pioneer Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 10X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 40X CD-R 32X CD-RW 40X CD-ROM 2MB Cache E-IDE/ ATAPI DVD Burner - OEM $33.99 $5.64 3 Business Day Shipping
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SONY Black 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model DDU1615/B2s - OEM $18.99 3 Business Day Shipping $5.64
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CASE
Just want plain black/silver (NOW THIS IS what I call PURTY!)
http://tools.corsairmemory.com/sys [...] t_id=12472
NICE SITE FOR FIRST BUILD!!! 8)
b]need tooless, right?)[/b]I'd like 120MM fans (at least two...front and rear intake and exhaust, liquid cooling-I don't need to go there do I?

Antec Performance One P180B Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel for durability through the majority of chassis 1.0mm cold rolled steel around the 4 x HDD area ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $129.99 3 Business Day Shipping $18.99 NOT SURE IF I LIKE THE DOOR THINGY
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OR

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811133009
Thermaltake Matrix VX VD3000SWA Silver/Black
Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
84.99
14.99SH

POWER SUPPLY
Antec NeoHE 500 ATX12V 500W Power Supply 100Vac to 240Vac +/- 10% UL, CUL, TUV, CE, FCC, CCC, CB, C-tick - Retail $99.99 3 Business Day Shipping $8.02
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What do U think, all for about 1,450 with SH. without the OS, or any peripherals

ches111

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What part of Australia?

GIDDAY, I spent 1 year at Modiallic Chelsea in Melborne, Victoria, moved to South Yara to be 8) Then went to Appolo Bay for a couple of years. An isolated B area on the coaste/fishing villiage/farming/tropical forests BUTE MATE!
Should have never come back to all this stress and politacl CRAP :roll:

JonnyDough

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or go after the sister

OMG- I hoe you're not refurring to SISTA ches111 :lol:
sorry couldn't resist!

logainofhades

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Yea you go and build it yourself. To me him saying you are not allowed to do it means he does not think you can or that he just does not want you to look smarter than him. Either way I see it as sexist crap that I just do not tolerate.

Thank U oh mighty ADVISOR

DaSickNinja

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Yet no one seems to read the fockin manual...

There's a manual :?: 8O

hergieburbur

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I hate to keep changing, but whats your new avatar from?

I'll show it to my son he knows all JAPANESE anime stuff.Speaking ov avatars I can't get mine to work! I use it on other sites, but won't work here!

Reply to KrazyKat

I wonder if I should ask that as a precursor when someone asks for help, but I think I know what the answer would be. Sometimes, I can tell when they're bullshitting me though, but I don't call 'em on it.

Reply to dasickninja

Kat,

A letter or email to HP customer service may get you better results than the phone response lines, especially if you send a copy (and tell HP you are sending a copy) to the Better Business Bureau indicating you were missled by HP adverts and are not getting a reasonable response from HP when you tried to cancel your PC order. :evil:

This seems to be one of those times when "if you want a PC built right, ya gotta do it yourself".

Reply to blunc

DARN I really like these but$$$$$why does my taste always exceed my budget! :cry:

http://www.shentech.com/lipcalmidtov1.html

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811112131

Is it best for me to look at toolfree case?

I think I might bump up that HD to 320?

JONNYDOUGH- It was one dvd burner and one dvd-rom. :?: I don't really have to have dual optical drives. :?

Reply to KrazyKat

I personally have and recommend the Silverstone TJ09, if you can fit it into your budget. Simple, clean, tool less and lacking all the flashy wiz bangs everyone seems to want to stuff into their cases.

Reply to dasickninja

Yeah, the huge Lian-Li's are way expensive. They are also HUGE. The TJ09 is also an ultra-expensive case coming in at no less than $250 for what I can find (BTW it happens to be my current dream case).

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