AMD Pushes R600 Back To May

.....sigh

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This is really terrible.

I was hopeing for a graphic card upgrade but now we have to stick with the overpriced nvidia 8000 series cards.

not sure how you call them overpriced? a 8800gts 320mb is only $299, thats how much i paid for my X1800XT 512mb last Christmas, the other models are priced almost accordinly to their performance. the 8800gtx dominates all current game titles in performance, should it not be the highest priced graphic card on the market...

you should be happy its not retailing over $600

I dont really know whats going on with ATi/AMD but I'm quite curious to know what they are planning to do. They certainly have some plan there, well, I hope for them

At this rate does anyone think that we may see the 8900 series revision before AMD/ATI gets the 2800 series (or whatever it may be) out?

Best,

3Ball

Yeah this really breaks my gnads. I was more than hoping that they would release it a LITTLE sooner. I've been limping along on equipment almost 3 gens behind now. This would have been a great way to jump up to something better by the end of next month. Well I'll save my cash. Or maybe I'll give it to NVIDIA and INTEL!! Thanks for the kiss off AMD/ATI!

You are investing in a new build. My trouble is that I already own a crossfire mobo. So I was really hopeing thet amd would release R600 sooner.

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That seems pretty farfetched....?

I am of no real preference to which company I buy from, but I have this feeling that if I don't wait and at least SEE the benchmarks for the r600, I am going to end up kicking myself in the a$$.

Murphy's Law,

No matter what you do you'll be kicking yourself.

- Wait for the R600, you might be kicking yourself for not buying the GF8800 and enjoying it all that time.
- Buy the GF8800 now you might be kicking yourself when the R600 is launched.

Either way it's likely whatever choice you pick increases your risk.

IMO, buy the GF8800GTS-320 now, far less of a kick factor either way, not a great loss if the R600 is better, and in the meantime, you gets lotsa gaming.

But then again I could be wrong an you're going to miss out on the earth-shattering religious R600 experience.

woo...siiigh oh well at least now ill have a enough for a quad core when i buy my new comp....

With the 8800 GTX nVidia is taking the high-end market pretty quickly.

The mainstream market is where they get the highest precentage of the buys, but it dosent give them more money and its the high-end market that everyone cares about the most.

Not to mention that even if ATI will have their R600 here by April, that means that it will take them until June to come up with an X2600XT, or who knows how much time, so nVidia is going to win, and how can they not? ATI is killing themselves.

agreed, brand-bias is lame. Get what works at the time.

my 1900xt512 is still tearing it up... prb will for another year yet too. I bought it before the 7900s hit and everyone said "wait until Nv brings out the latest... it will pwn the 1900" and I almost believed them Honestly, I am glad with what I bought. Have been happy with it from day-one.

honestly, buy the most you can afford when you can afford it. Simple logic. Once you buy it, stop worrying about the next one that bests it and just enjoy the results. That logic has yet to fail me. (plus, it removes the resulting e-peni$ envy when you compare to the latest)

I think you are right about the 8800... get it and enjoy. Personally I would go for the 640 meg if only for the bigger frame buffer for higher res textures and more effects capability... but that is just me.

This stinks; I've got to wait until May to buy a new videocard.

vern, i have nothing against you but i really think you are overreacting here. ATI, may not have the fastest DX9 card anymore but there cards are far from crap.

i for one am not concerned about it as the amount of people who have upgraded or built new with the 8800 series is relatively small i would imagine. i think you forget how small we, the enthusiast are. yes, investor confidence may abe a problem but i have a feeling if an invsetor is good they will know patience.

ATI obviously feel no pressure as there is nothing to test it's card properly.

what is the big deal :? being 4months or 6 months behind clearly does not bother them otherwise they would be doing something kneejerk but all they are doing is releasing variations of their current architecture at different price points. this does not seem like they are worried so why would investors or buyers be.

no i have no idea where you are coming from with this one. AMD and ATI as far as i can see are in no trouble at all. rival companies see-saw performance wise all the time so why is now any more important than any other time in the last 10-20 years?

The most likely thing I can think of is that the top R600 offering is not competitive in performance with the 8800GTX.

Without even engineering samples shipping, the R600 is, at best, still semi-mythical.

john

My decision to buy the 8800 GTX back in November is looking better with each passing day. I'm not so much a nVidia fanboy as I am an ATI hater. My last three cards have been 6600GT, 7600GT and now the 8800GTX. ATI provided no alternative product for any of these cards. I'm kind of late to the computer gaming world but it seems to me that there is a biased among computer users toward AMD as well as ATI. I can see why AMD is preferred (at least up until Core 2 Duo) but don't see why the blind adoration for ATI. Seems like they can't get their **** together.

And? How does this change due to a delay, they already had that market, and overall market share is not very greatly influenced by that market. Overall market share since the GF8800 came to market slipped on nV's side, and increased on ATi's side. So obviously, it's not as big an issue as the article implies.

Actually the mid range is where they make their money the high end above $250 amount to less than 5% of the market, so really, which one do you think the companies care about? Like

Why would the X2900 impact the X2600 other than to delay and already to ship X2600? They don't wait to release the X2600 until 2-3 months after the X2900, they launch it when it's ready or when it's strategically benificial. So show me how the X2900 launch 'means' anything to the X2600 other than to potentially keep it from launching until the X2900 launches, why would it be 2 months later?

You're going to have to come up with a better argument than that, because right now your statements have little to do with either the current state of affairs or the implications of the R600 delay. More than anything you're trying to justify your conclusion, not trying to develop a solid reasoning for what might or might not be.

see, here is the thing. it is completely the other way round for me. the last three cards i have owned have been the 9700 pro, the 9800 pro mobility and the x1900xt. now, IMO nvidia had no alternative for those cards so your point is moot. i do not know when you bought those so i cannot say what ATi cards were around at that time not how much price performance they had.

so basically your argument has no basis.

That is one of the dumbest things I've read today. Go Matrox and S3, right??

The 6600GT and 7600GT are great cards (previous owner of both) but so are X800GTOs, X1800GTOs and X1650XTs. Your should clarify your statement because there may have simply been no alternative at the time you were buying which was the case with StrangeStranger.

verndewd, don't forget that they were just bought too. That's a big deal and not something that just goes over all nice and quiet. I can easily see a company that has just been bought running into scheduling issues, testing issues, management issues and a number of other delays.

9700pro FTW!

The 9700 and 9800 to the x1900xt, that is quite a gap. Maybe since you were out of the video card market for so long between the 9800 and the x1900xt you didn't realize that ATI was slacking off a bit.

I purchased 6600GT in mid 2005 (no card in the same price range from ATI that could compete), the 7600GT in March 2006 (same story, they finally released the X1650 Pro in October 2006) and then 8800GTX in November (again, same story). See the pattern? Sorry brother, the point is not moot, it's spot on.

nope, just that the 9700/9800 pwned so much 3-D a$$ that he did not need the change. 8)

I went from the 9700pro to my current 1900xt512. My 9700pro still games hard on FEAR and others. They were just that good.

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That is one of the dumbest things I've read today. Go Matrox and S3, right??

As I mentioned in my post, I'm new to the computer gaming world so your clever reference has no meaning to me.

Regarding what you think of my comment, my comtempt for ATI is only in the lack of product offerings and their inability to get their products to market on time. I came within a mouse click of by buying x1900xt 256mb when I decided to wait a couple of more weeks and just get the g80. I researched both the g80 and r600 heavily and might of gone with r600 had it been available, it wasn't.

Where does it say that?
Show me where it says that in the Peddie report;
http://www.jonpeddie.com/about/pre [...] Q406.shtml

What it actually says is;

“Vista, ATI’s new part (the R600), and several new add-in boards (AIBs) from Nvidia are expected to pump up the declining desktop discrete market,” Peddie added.

Not that people weren't buying cards because of the R600. To blame the R600 when the G80 launches right into the biggest buying season of the year? C'mon, you're reading more into the report than is there.

Here's a few sites that comment on the same data and neither of them say R600 either;

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video [...] 75010.html
http://www.beyond3d.com/articles/q [...] x.php?p=01

This is based on what exactly? The same reasoning that had us believe that the launch of the G80 into the Xmas market would have nV increase their lead? Until the GF8600 launches I see no reason to believe anything will change this quarter, and then it's impact on next quarter depends alot on what else is out there. IF the GF8600 launches well enough in advance of the X2600, then we should see some major movement in these numbers, until then they are going after exactly the same markets they were last quarter, little has changed other than the addition of Vista which is also not doing as well as expected (although Office is doing Gangbusters).

Right and the Discrete market has seen no price drops, right?
BTW, tell me integrated and mobile market has anything to do with changing the position of the discrete market where this discussion focuses it's attention? Seriously, you're reaching man.

Just like the article tries to sensationalise the delay by mentioning market share (why bother, the delay itself is news?), you're now talking about markets that are unaffected by all this.

The GTS-320 has a larger impact than the R600 delay. The killer change would be some serious DX10 apps hittin the market that would then cause the rush to upgrade, but with only nV demos to show, how much do you really think the market share will change? Heck I bet the GF7600 still outsells all the GF8800s combined 5:1 at least.

Of course my opinion is just that, my opinion. It has been my experience that from mid 2005 to October 2006 (when ATI release the X1650) that there have been no mid range cards to that could compete with the 6600GT and 7600GT.

When the 8800GTX was released, I was then in the market for a high end card (again to make this clear I am not speaking for anyone else), I decided that based on price/performance ratio, it didn't make financial sense to purchase the X1950XT. I would of liked to since it was much cheaper but the 8800GTX blows it away it is only $200 more.

Again, everyone on this board is stating opinions, even you mate.