iPhone

seems more appealing to me than an Ipod, but thats because there are a lot of better alternatives to the Ipod. *Pats his Archos AV500*

but this Iphone is really unique compared all other phones out there, unlike the Ipod. so i give it a thumbs up if i can get it free after rebate when i sign up for cell service.

looks good alot like a concept idea i had for a mobile phone but they just out did me with proximity sensor hadent thought of that
hopefully this will encourage other phone manufactures to start pushing touchscreens more and be abit more creative then just releasing another flip phone
needs at least 16 gig in my opinion but that will come with time once everyone has brought the first one

dont you think the idea of this is to slowly phase the ipod out as all devices will slowly move into one portable everything device? that will certainly happen withing the next 5 years.
also i agree a hard drive would be a bad move in such a device it would also increase size significantly
also are the prices stated are sim free?

the technology is amazing they seem to have through it through very well as apple normally seem to do
the touchscreen and GUI is great too the software behind it seems quite revolutionary for a mobile device of its kind
but the only downfall i can see with such a device is that it might have battery life issues due to them trying to achieve a nicer form factor but we will have to see about that
i would never buy an ipod but i would by this from what i have seen so far apple have finally won me over on something

You got it. The iPod as we know it is now officially in decline. All the features that were expected for the "real" video iPod are now in the phone. Maybe a vPod without the phone is still in the making but I wouldn't buy it. The iPhone I'll definitely buy.

One thing I'm curious about Mesa: what happened to the iPhone nano? I was very interested in something like that, just a phone and an MP3 player merged without all the other features and using the (text based) iPod interface. I know many companies are offering cell phone/MP3 player combos but I'd prefer the iPod's simple UI. Electronics companies have been trying unsuccessfully to shoehorn the traditional GUI into 2" screens. What I like about the iPod is that it departs from that approach by ridding us of the ugly icons and silly graphics. Now it seems like Apple is trying to build a GUI on top of the iPod's text based interface and from the looks of it they've succeeded.

kukito i agree with you on the idea of the iphone nano as this seems to be a very high end phone and we can see from the price that this clearly wont be a product for the mass consumer market until the price of that comes down or there is a cheaper version of the product released. I think we can count on seeing a cheaper slimmed down version of this phone at macworld next year. they will use the current iphone as a marketing tool as they are not experienced within the mobile telecommunications industry i but also they will continue to keep a iphone and iphone nano or whatever to appeal to both markets just like with the ipod
and also with your concern of scratching screens i think its a very real one but this problem has occurred before for apple i think it would be very poor of them to make the same mistake twice i think battery life will be the biggest problem

The devil's in the details... Which haven't been released yet, at least not ENOUGH detail. If its GSM only, then its bandwidth is limited. And Apple seems to have a knack for wanting to be proprietary. I don't really think they can compete with Nokia, SonyEricsson, Samsung, et al. And no CDMA version announced yet, makes it a bit of a limited phone in some areas of the US. No international release either...

Check out the Nokia N91...

Personally I see lots of issues with the 'touch screen only' input methodology.

My 2p...

(and don't get me started on Blackberry...)

Edit... Did a bit more checking, and they are only offering 2.5 G. Basic GPRS tops out about 46 to 53 Kbs, so no bandwidth... 3G is 384 Kbs, and HSDPA is ~3.2 Mbs... So all I can say is sing the refrain..."Life in the slow lane.. Life in the slow lane" Basically not much better than my XDA. (Except no contracts with my XDA.) I doubt that this iteration will ever make it to Europe, let alone to Oceania region.

A pretty face and no brains. and the pretty face may very well have issues...

I have no issues with my BlackBerry. Works like a champ.

I just finished watching the Keynote - Steve Jobs said there was going to be 3G support in the future, which I guess would be a hardware revision but perhaps by software (if the hardware is enabled and they're waiting for network catch-up). It's not until Q4 that it reaches us in Europe anyway so maybe it'll be 3G enabled before it's even out over here, who knows.

If anyone has any idea who the carrier will be in the UK I'd love to know - I've managed to keep the same mobile number for the best part of a decade now and I'd hate to have to change it!

A couple of the features that I didn't know about before were the 'push' IMAP Yahoo! mail, which looks awesome (especially if you can get Hotmail forwarded to it) and, well, not a feature I didn't know about, but how cool does Safari look! Wow!

I honestly can't wait for Q4!

Totally, 100% agreed. My BlackBerry is provided by work, and I use the email and calendar a lot more than I do the phone part. However, on the personal side, I never bought into having it all in one device. If something were to happen to it (dropped or just quit working), I've lost access to everything in one motion.

Ahh the iPhone.
Few issues that I can see up front:
1) lack of 3G support
2) its expensive

IMO, I see the iPhone as the start of Apple's foray into the cellular data front. I'm sure iTunes for your iPhone will be coming out soon. This might cause some issues for 3G, as others have stated before, anything lower than 3G makes things somewhat slow... Imagine if you were trying to download a tv show or something. Ringtones will probably be added soon too.
I have to admit, cellular data is a lucrative front. Just look at text messaging. Most carriers charge 5-10 cents a message... for probably a few nanoseconds of frequency use. I'm sure the cellular carriers won't complain when iTunes goes cellular.

Its expensive too... We'll probably never see the day when the iPhone is cheaper than the corresponding iPod nano (even with rebates). I'm not about to drop $500 on a phone. Another problem I see is that alot of people have iPods already - will they be willing to pay that much to integrate their phones and iPods?

Except when it doesn't, eh? Ever tried to call their support?

Exchange has had web access for years now, ours is on a clustered server. Push mail is built in, but we don't enable it due to cost. I sync my mail every hour during the day, and every 4 hours off-peak. If someone needs a response from me faster than that, they'd call anyway.

And, I don't have to worry about the NSA reading my email....

I like it

Horses for courses I suppose, makes the world more interesting.

I'd guess that since this is running osx, thus unix, someone will figure out how to get arm compiled code running on it. If that happens I'd buy one in a second and replace both of my phones and pda I always carry. Problem that I find seriuosly boneheaded is using Cingular as the carrier. Many states don't have Cingular including me in Wyoming. If we get the phone out of state on a Cingular plan, we'll be hit with roaming charges as you need a percentage of calls in your home (purchased) area to qualify for free roaming.

Hate to say it, but they should have gone with Verizon on this one, really hate to say that btw!

If unlocked ones come out that Verizon will support, I'd pay $700 for one. Course everything about the phone goes against Verizon's "Charge the customer for every possible feature you can think of" policy. Got my wife a chocolate which is marketed as an MP3 player, had to buy a $15 adapter for a regular headset to work! Their Sony made one is unbelievable bad! Course it is a Sony.....

I also can't get past the idea of $500 for the 4GB and $600 for the 8GB, since when is flash that expensive? Typical Apple, hoping to dupe the consumer to make even more profit. Sounds like MS now that I think about it.....

Sorry, I had a rough day

The input method, if it works as advertised, is far better than what a ppc can do, multi-touch is indeed a good thing. And all the ppc phones I've played with, even the Moto Q, seem slugish compared to my iPaq 1715, which is SLOW! I have a couple 2GB cards and I use mine for all my contact stuff, gps navigation, mp3 player, wireless internet, etc. but it has no phone and a lot of the apps just don't work that well. Apple is very good at making easy to use machines, and for something like this I would prefer easy to use over highest tech possible.

Some things should just work, and Windows Mobile is not one of those things, I'm sure Apple will get it right. I prefer OS X over anything MS, but I'm religated to MS because of my jobs and my gaming addiction. My phone won't have to play to the same tune however. If Apple would get off their high horse and sell their products like Dell does, they'd put dell, compaq/hp, and IBM out of the personal computer business IMHO.

Seems nice enough, but it's not for me. I don't really care about surfing the net on the go, and I listen to OGG format, not MP3.

Too bad there's not a lot of music players that supports FLAC.

Besides I don't feel the need to show off my e-penis with a flashy piece of tech that I'm not really going use much.

I thought it looked rather stunning, much better than my recently acquired M600i Sony (freebie from Orange!) and if I can have one for free on my Orange account then I'll take it but I think I may have to wait until hell freezes over and Satan skates to work.

Worthless crappy gadget for people who have to make up for something in my opinion. You asked for it...

Overpriced, overhyped, millions of people will buy it for no reason other than the label like they did with the iPod

I personally would never buy one of these, I have a pocket pc that is far better in most every way, and I have a basic phone that makes calls without a bunch of added nonesense, and neither of them have a battery that dies after 300 charges either

I guess I don't understand why people buy these flashy phones, it's a f****** phone not a fashion statement.

“Latent” – That which is inherent but is veiled or hidden until exposed or unmasked through self-indulgence ….

Materialism has only ONE role within humanity and that is to elicit love and joy [and not their poor relatives which dwell within emotions, objectivity and fantasy] through the act of gifting. When materialism is expressed through indulgence, however, it’s about worship, not giving/loving. Indulgence, ignorance, arrogance, as evinced by the “right and ability to buy a heart-flutter, a token of my self-respect, because it then associates me with greatness and modernity, thereby propelling me to imagined heights of fashion and utility, conferring the confidence within me to feel that I, too, am of value as a human”, nonsense, is to be expected when maturity is lacking and immaturity do not differentiate on age.

When materialism fulfills its role, it gives satisfaction, which is a permanent quality whereas worshipping/groupie-ism releases wanton urges by engendering permanent dissatisfaction through momentary satisfaction. That’s addiction which is also another word for fashion, whether the addiciton is about the “rapturous electronic scrolling wow-wee and the powerful, efficient, clean-cut, ooohhh, I just do not know where to begin …”, or about “that high-cut lift really accentuates my … only that wonderful designer .. ooh, I can talk about him all day…”. Those lacking self-respect [the guilty masochist] bonds with those lacking respect for others [the angry sadist] and the bonding that emanates through reacting is about theft, firstly material [temporary theft] and thence, spiritual [permanent theft].

Utility, efficiency, productivity and similar benefits is not for exploitation through “the land of fabulous opportunistic wealth”, but when it does, fashion takes charge and the master and slave equation dictates. Let all the groupies and their pimps do as they wish but their grooming of others for enslavement should not go unexposed. Reaction is just another word for enslavement and reacting in a worshipful manner is the worst kind of entrapment. A groupie gets his/her come-uppance “with immediate effect”, but the religious goo-goo, ga-ga’s, living on hope and imagination, aim for immortality & paradise. Materialism as a gift [including self-gifting] is not the same as materialism at any price. The latter means addiction had taken hold which is why a sadist always imposes freakish controls to further the cause of his pocket & soul-emptying agenda. “Ja, put zer b**t zhere, 2.38 degrees zo zer left for ve must get zit exactly right ….” Truly an indescribable experience … whilst not forgetting that just because a masochist loves getting hurt, doesn’t mean that the complementing sadist is not addicted to his mean streak. Now, if only sadists were aiming for mere material gain, that’s fine but when they are after “paradise”, that’s devolutionary for all concerned.

also, for roughy 1/2 the price!

Unlocked? Sim free? It'll work in EU or AUS? Sure, I'll pop for one. Pm me for details....

Now THAT is a phone, I would buy one of those to replace my pocket pc anyday

But I just got the Fusic by LG and so far I really like it, it even has a few features the iPhone doesn't have not that I'll ever even use most of the features, but I got a deal where I got the phone free with my plan so it was a nice touch...I'll probably grab a bigger SD card and make use of the mp3 player in it. But more importantly, the battery life is good and the reception is excellent.