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Has anyone reached 3.6 or 4 GHz with E6600 and air cooling?

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Hello and Happy New Year to everyone.


I wanted to know if anyone has reached 3.6 GHz or 4 GHz with a Core 2 Duo E6600 (400 or 450 MHz FSB) with air cooling. Is it nearly imposible?

If so, what system was used? mobo, ram, HSF, number of fans, Vcore, etc...


Oh! I have a rather dummy question. If the ASUS P5B-E has only 1 Chasis fan connector and I want to use a total of 5 Fan where or how can I power them?

That's all! Thanks!

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I've gotten my E6600 up to 3.6 stable but just a little hotter than I want to run.

I'm using a P5B, 2gb of Corsair XMS2 PC-6400, and cooling with a Zalman 9500.

Reply to mr00000
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I dont have that cpu but as far as the fans are concerned you can get molex fans or you can buy adapters to convert from molex.
You wont be able to control them from software however if they are not plugged into a fan header.

Reply to thelvyn

Ill give you a word of advice... i would not recommend trying to get a system especially a air cooled system stable at 3.6... the risk/benefit ratio from OC'ing past 3.4 isnt worth it. I have however oc'd a 6600 to 3.7 but hardly stable at times all air cooled. The set up is as follows

evga nvidia 680i mobo

coolermaster stacker case with 4 side fans, a zalman 9700 cpu cooler and 3 other case fans in the front back and top.

Corsair dominator c5d ram at 1066

my vcore was at 1.45 to 1.5

however, to be realistic you should just shoot for 3.4 its stable, safe, and performs great!!

Reply to Ironkidz
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what r u talking about.. 3.6 is fine stable unless u wanna keep ur rig for 10 years without upgrading..

Reply to bullaRh
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Why dont you let the op know what your system is then ?
And is that on AIR ?

Reply to thelvyn

If they don't mind, you can pm either kwalker or dario (shortenned name)

Kwalker got his 6600 above 4ghz, and dario got a 6400 to 4ghz


Just simply use a tuniq tower 120 with a good mobo and ram then your set

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

Take a look at these forums, http://www.xtremesystems.org/forum [...] y.php?f=56

tons of people have overclocked their E6600 on air with stock cooling and after marker HSF.

Reply to crackerjacks

If you know what you are doing and have good mobo, memory, and cooling then 3.6g is not that big of a deal for C2D. To be honest I don't see the point of running at 3.6g so I don't. I just set my multiplier at 11 and my rig runs great at 3g.

Reply to qurious69ss
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Where do all of you people get these engineering samples anyway ?
Were they handing them out at the mall when I wasnt looking ?

Reply to thelvyn

Where I work. That's all I can say.

Reply to qurious69ss

bah, if you want 4ghz, your better with a 6400, a good mobo and some ram that can handle 1000mhz. Throw in a tuniq tower to be safe

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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so 3,6GHz is reachable with water cooling system on 6600?

Reply to Pepca

With water cooling, you can go over 3.6Ghz

Reply to crackerjacks

Maybe I was just really lucky with my cpu, but 3.6ghz is cake for me on air with the equipment listed in my signature. I run at 3.5ghz because I like the idea of being below 1.4v. 3.6ghz used to be my 24/7 overclock though. And it was easily attainable with a good air cooler.

Reply to forumtroll
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Well, I'm sure it's possible allright.....you read these stories about different E6600 revisions....like the system I've installed for my dad.....he has a E6600 B2 revision. I don't really get it what is so important about this.....also I don't get it why one E6600 overclocks better then the other...like intel is still developing the core while producing it? They still put money into it? Oh well...you have to believe this or not it's up to you. But on with the show.....I choose to buy a E6600 cooled with a Thermalright Ultra 120 cooling block and a Nexus Fan 120MM that runs max at 1100 rpm and only produces 22.8 db running at max what is not nessacary at all because of the good ultra 120 performance (both got many awards >fan for silent running and >Ultra-120 performance)/G.E.I.L. DDR2 800 with cl4-4-4-12 timings on a Asus DH Deluxe. The whole setup was build in an Antec P150 case which is a very good case when it comes to silent and cool performance (it even outperformce its bigger brother the P180 casing when it comes to cpu cooling temperatures. It got one 120mm Fan installed in the back of the case and it can be switched to 3 different speeds. Low Medium and High. I choose to set this fan on low cause of the great performance of the cpu cooling block. To get a little bit more cooling I bought two 92 mm silent antec fans that produce 14 db of noise in low settings......I've switched the upper one to medium performance to get a bit more airflow in the casing. After all this I've turned on the bios AI quiet mode and the system is running perfectly quiet at 3.4GHZ with only a slight low breeze sound....it runs idle at 33degrees celcius. I mean.....will you noticed the difference between 3.4 or 3.6Ghz? I bet you won't. It's only reducing the lifetime of your cpu and this for only 200Mhz difference. If you want to do it to impress...well that also not worth it cause who are you going to impress while so many people did it allready cause they felt the same like you (Mind IF please ;) )? Unhealthy overclocking it just not the way to go with aircooling and 3.4Ghz is a perfect worth for money overclock with the E6600 if you ask me>>>>SILENT Performance=Comfort computing<<<<. THat's my opinion.

Reply to SyPheR
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I don't get it why one E6600 overclocks better then the other



All chips aren't created equal.

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It's only reducing the lifetime of your cpu and this for only 200Mhz difference



Keep in mind chips are meant to live for upwards of 10 years the difference in lifetime between an E6600 clocked at 3.4 compared to 3.6 Ghz is not a valid argument because it will still exceed a lifetime of five years (which is more than enough for anyone who is into overclocking for that much performance)

Reply to Valtiel
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why you need 2 know what my system is ? its a x850xt with a 3500+ right now :) i already bought my TT armor and my silverstone zeus tho im waiting on my 2 R600's so yea..

if u read a little around u find out that 3.6 isnt that high but its fine for normal use if u have the temps for it on air 8)

Reply to bullaRh
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by the way what is an R600 that everybody has been talking about??

Reply to Bl4d3
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its the DX10 gpu from ATI it should come out around february

Reply to bullaRh
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I don't get it why one E6600 overclocks better then the other



All chips aren't created equal.

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It's only reducing the lifetime of your cpu and this for only 200Mhz difference



Keep in mind chips are meant to live for upwards of 10 years the difference in lifetime between an E6600 clocked at 3.4 compared to 3.6 Ghz is not a valid argument because it will still exceed a lifetime of five years (which is more than enough for anyone who is into overclocking for that much performance)

Yes totally true I guess :D Nice point of view.

But still I wonder if there is anyone out there that has experienced a CPU overclocked to it's limits that died a bit sooner then five years but more like two years? About the CPU chips.....why are they not created equally? What makes the difference? It can't be mistakes made by the robot's that are doing the fabrication processes right? I mean they work so accurate.....

Reply to SyPheR

I think Coolaler was the first one to achieve 4Ghz on E6600 with air cooling. Using the Tuniq Tower 120 of course. If you want extreme overclocking then the E6400 would be it. As for the settings on the E6600, it would be enough to last the cpu a couple of years just in time to get an upgrade anyways.

Reply to chuckshissle
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If they don't mind, you can pm either kwalker or dario (shortenned name)

Kwalker got his 6600 above 4ghz, and dario got a 6400 to 4ghz


Just simply use a tuniq tower 120 with a good mobo and ram then your set



P95 Stable for 8+hours???? TEMPS????? I would love to know these facts because as an owner of an E6400 with a Tuniq Tower 120 and Awsome case air flow I happen to know for a fact that a P95stable overlock with good TEMPS at 4ghz on air is very very unrealistic. Much less a hotter running E6600 due to its bigger Cache running over 4ghz.

Yes I have gotten my E6400 to boot up at 4ghz before but I would hardly brag as it was not nearly stable and temps were really high due to the increased Vcore to get it to post at 4ghz. No body cares about what speed you can post at :roll:

I have found that the max and I mean max I can get on air while being P95stable and have acceptable temps is 3.6ghz. Idle is 36c while load is 64c.

Reply to RobsX2
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bah, if you want 4ghz, your better with a 6400, a good mobo and some ram that can handle 1000mhz. Throw in a tuniq tower to be safe



Please stop throwing around unrealistic overclocks for this chip on air :roll: If anyone is truly able to get a stable 4ghz P95 overclock on air with acceptable temps on an E6400 then they are most likely in the 1%range of people who just got damn lucky.

You just make it sound like a guaranteed thing when its not. 3.5ghz to 3.7ghz is much much more realistic.


I just hate to see people running out and taking your advice thinking they are gonna get a stable 4ghz overclock with safe temps on an E6400 with an air cooler. :roll:

Reply to RobsX2

dude, save your money, people have gone to 4ghz on air with the 6400. If you have a good board like the 680i's that can reach over 500fsb, than the cpu mult is all that counts, a good air cooler will do the trick, water will only lower the temps. If you combine a a 6400 with a evga 680i board and either a tuniq tower or scythe infinity (tuniq beats by a bit though), you will reach 4ghz for about half the price of a 6600 with a watercooler and a highend motherboard.

Most conroes can hit 500 fsb. If you guys seriously think its that unrealistic (a couple people have shown me proof of 6400's running at 4ghz, which is why I recommended it instead), just go with the 6600, but still no need for water cooling yet.

As for temps, they didn't show me, just that it was completely stable.

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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If you combine a a 6400 with a evga 680i board and either a tuniq tower or scythe infinity (tuniq beats by a bit though), you will reach 4ghz



Please stop being ridiculous. You cannot guarantee anyone that they will be able to hit 4ghz with an E6400 just because they combine it with a 680I board and a Tuniq Tower 120. :roll: Each and every chip overclocks differently and while some will may hit 4ghz on air most will not.


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If you guys seriously think its that unrealistic (a couple people have shown me proof of 6400's running at 4ghz, which is why I recommended it instead), just go with the 6600, but still no need for water cooling yet.



I could also show you my E6400 running at 4ghz as I know it will post that high but I would say its far from safe because of the temps it reaches due to the increase in the ammount of Vcore needed to get it stable at 4ghz. Yes even with my crazy case air flow and Tuniq Tower 120.

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As for temps, they didn't show me, just that it was completely stable.



A chips stability usually translates differently from person to person, just because you can game with it or run windows does not count for most people as being stable. Unless they are dual P95stable for 8+hrs and are getting acceptable temps most people will care less about running at 4ghz until they can get those two most important factors under control (temp and stability) and as the owner of an E6400 along with a Tuniq Tower and a case with better than average airflow I am here to tell you that hitting 4ghz on this chip while being 100% P95stable with ACCEPTABLE TEMPS is not very likely at all.




You telling people they will hit 4ghz if they purchase a 680I board along with an E6400 and a Tuniq Tower is just misleading and wrong.

Reply to RobsX2

All I'm saying is that its possible, I'll shut up if you want me to, but still, I just don't feel like there's the need for that much money to be spent when people have proven it quite possible to hit 500fsb with a high-end air-cooler

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

I will agree with you that it will not be pleasant running the 6400 at ghz, but I won't agree that I am entirely mis-leading, as you could run it at 4ghz for benchmarks and then lower it to a comfortable 3.5-3.6 for normal use. For 3.6 I'd say 6400 is safe

I'd say the op's best bet right now is to wait until the intel price drop happens. Then the 6600 will be at the 6400's price, and I will have no trouble recommending it against the 6400, which will only go down to the 6300's rice. Then I'd say watercooling might be worth it as the op suggested earlier

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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I will agree with you that it will not be pleasant running the 6400 at 4ghz, but I won't agree that I am entirely mis-leading, as you could run it at 4ghz for benchmarks and then lower it to a comfortable 3.5-3.6 for normal use. For 3.6 I'd say 6400 is safe

I'd say the op's best bet right now is to wait until the intel price drop happens. Then the 6600 will be at the 6400's price, and I will have no trouble recommending it against the 6400, which will only go down to the 6300's rice. Then I'd say watercooling might be worth it as the op suggested earlier



This is exactly what I was saying. :wink:

Reply to RobsX2

you could have been nicer about it

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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you could have been nicer about it



And you could have been more clear about the whole thing instead of making it sound like 4ghz was a breeze with an E6400 on air and was pretty much guaranteed. Either way bud, no hard feelings man :)

Reply to RobsX2

Ok, so I could have mentioned it wouldn't be the smartest ideato run it constantly at 4ghz like you could with a more expensive cpu. For the price, I think the 6400 makes more sense currently, and besides, there's no need to quote everything I say and make it seem like I should die for saying it

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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and besides, there's no need to quote everything I say and make it seem like I should die for saying it

Reply to RobsX2

whatever, but if your old enough to have a three month pregnant wife, then you should be trying to help others learn, instead of shoot them down

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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whatever, but if your old enough to have a three month pregnant wife, then you should be trying to help others learn, instead of shoot them down



Ok listen to me, :roll: I was only joking with you these last couple of post and have been trying to lighten things up.

Dont you dare even bring up helping people with some of the ridiculous post you have been making :roll: . And As for me I am the only one here I see helping anyone by making sure that they have an idealistic view of what an E6400 is capable of on air and not some false hopes and dreams of running an E6400 stable at 4ghz on air like its easy and guaranteed :roll:

Reply to RobsX2

Price and value is an entirely subjective issue.

What I find interesting is that many of the 6400 fans make it sound is if the 6400 is just superior product and the "no-brainer" purchase choice. I'm not buying into it. You often see people making reference to crazy (obviously fluke) situations like 4ghz air OCs on the 6400. Maybe a person or two made it happen, who knows.... maybe it was even orthos stable for a few minutes. But who cares. Ultimately a purchase decision should be about nominal potential not anomalous results.

The prices are $322.00 and $223.00 at current newegg rates. For me, the extra $100 for a superior processor is worth it. For some people the difference in performance may not be enough to justify the expense.

We're a bit off the topic of the post now. :)

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whatever



Spoken like a true champ :roll:

Bottom line your post was very misleading rather you think so or not and that is the reason I came down on you. You didn't decide to change your tune until I chimed in either and if you would have just said the things you said after I got a hold of your post to begin with then none of this would have happened :roll: so please just get over it already.

Reply to RobsX2
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You often see people making reference to crazy (obviously fluke) situations like 4ghz air OCs on the 6400. Maybe a person or two made it happen, who knows.... maybe it was even orthos stable for a few minutes. But who cares.



My point exactly.

Reply to RobsX2
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I've gotten to 3.7 Ghz on air with my Zalman CNPS9500, haven't bothered going higher. Temps were about 50C at idle, I'm sure they'd be lower with a Tuniq Tower. I leave mine at 3 Ghz though, it's fast enough for me and temps are good with 30C idle.

Reply to Nova46
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As the owner of a great overclocking E6400 with a tuniq tower and crazy case air flow I can pretty much speak for what this chip will likely be capable of on air P95 Stable and Acceptable Temps and I can tell you for a fact that 4ghz on air is very unlikely like someone else here was making it out to be.

Reply to RobsX2
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I've gotten to 3.7 Ghz on air with my Zalman CNPS9500, haven't bothered going higher. Temps were about 50C at idle, I'm sure they'd be lower with a Tuniq Tower. I leave mine at 3 Ghz though, it's fast enough for me and temps are good with 30C idle.




50c idle is just stupid and not worth it but im sure you already knew that. This strengthens my case even more.


I also use to have my E6400 at 3.7ghz but I felt the amount of vcore needed to get it stable and idle temps in the low 40's were just not worth it when I can run 3.5ghz stable at just 33c.

Dont even get me started on how hot it idles at 4ghz with the ammount of vcore needed to get it to even post at that speed! 8O thats why I cannot and will not tell anyone that they can expect to run at 4ghz on air with an E6400 because it is just plain WRONG and very Unrealistic.

3.5 to 3.7 on air is a pretty safe but not guaranteed assumption.

Reply to RobsX2

dude, the 9500 is a piece of shit, I can say from owning one. I get almost 40* idle even with stock speeds and zalmans "super" thermal grease of my x2

I'll admit to those temps, but the tuniq tower is a far better cooler and I'll leave it that, say wahtever you want, you can show me as much proof as you want, and I'll still say its achieveable, not applicable for common uses, but achievable

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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I'll still say its achieveable, not applicable for common uses, but achievable[/quote]


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dude, the 9500 is a piece of ****, I can say from owning one. I get almost 40* idle even with stock speeds and zalmans "super" thermal grease of my x2




I think pretty much anyone here would agree that the Tuniq is better than the zalman, but like I told you earlier 4ghz on air with an E6400 is not an idealistic or realistic oc due to the amount of vcore needed for stability and especially the high idle and load temps.

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I'll still say its achieveable, not applicable for common uses, but achievable




And like I have told you already if you had said it that way to begin with then we would not even be having this conversation.

Reply to RobsX2

Alright I made a mistake, you are right, I'm tired of arguing ( I try to be friends with everyone)

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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Well say what you want about the zalman, my 9700 and recently oc'd 6600 to 3.62mhz with a 1.39vcore, 42C idle 53C load, on a striker extreme with team extreem 6400 4-4-4-8 1t.
My zalman works just fine in my TT armor case, must have been something wrong with yours.

Reply to n8dogg

I'm pretty sure even robsx2 would agree with me for once, and say that those are horrible for the amount the zalman is. Paying $80 for something gets you over 40* idle, I'd rather get a tuniq tower for less

I'm pretty sure you could hit 4ghz stable with a 6600 with some better cooling-correct me if I'm wrong x2, I don't want another pointless never ending argument, I'm too tired for that and I tired f trying to keep my cool.

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

This post is from SyPhyR on the previous page:

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About the CPU chips.....why are they not created equally? What makes the difference? It can't be mistakes made by the robot's that are doing the fabrication processes right? I mean they work so accurate.....



There are no CPU's 100% identical. Every silicon semiconductor device is unique, and as such, has different basic properties of electronics such as resistance, capacitance, inductance, impedance, and transconductance. Although two consecutive serial number CPU's from the same fabrication, with the same stepping codes, may appear identical, they're yielded from different location on the silicon wafer from which they're manufactured, and like diamonds, each has it's own unique flaws.

Even though their dynamic operational characteristics may be very similar, no two CPU's will overclock to exactly the same stable maximum speed, at the same voltage, at the same temperature. Additionally, in a dual core processor, one core will always run at higher temps and become unstable before the other. Therefore, since there are no overclocking gaurantees due to the variables, all we can project is what's reasonably typical per cooling solution.

Although this helps to partially clarify some answers, no one has yet mentioned any details regarding temperature measurements, such as differences in BIOS readings and various software utilities, just so we're careful to compare apples to apples. :?

Reply to CompuTronix
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If you know what your doing and follow the good advise that is all over these forums you do stand a chance to achieve your goals.
Not that 4GHz is possible for everyone (3.6 more likely) but it is possible.
Do you think it’s really necessary to flame a point of correction?
Debating is more acceptable and everyone learns from a good argument that is less inflammatory.

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I'm pretty sure even robsx2 would agree with me for once, and say that those are horrible for the amount the zalman is. Paying $80 for something gets you over 40* idle, I'd rather get a tuniq tower for less



Yes I do agree. Zalmans are highly overrated for what they are and there are far better choices out there such as the tuniq tower.

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