G80 going to be outdated soon enough?

I know this article is from the Inq, but it still proves a valid point.

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Does this mean that people who bought the G80 now got pretty ripped off?

So far there are no Dx10 games out. However, when the G84 is out there will be.

Just creating some more controversy.

The article says nothing about the G80 getting "outdated" the Nvidia naming scheme just moves like that. The G80 is high-end and the G84 is mainstream.

Yeah, the Inq says the G84 is a mainstream part.

So what happens when Nvidia reach the 10k naming mark.


New Nvidia 16000 and 16500 chips arive monday

ati: "psht, we were then 4 years ago"

Is there anything that makes you believe that the R600 will be better? I mean besides hearing that ATI and Nvidia are trying to do this two different ways I haven't heard anything about performance or benchmarks. I would love to hear your input as I honestly haven't heard anything

unless, say, your computer explodes and shrapnel that otherwise would have been blocked by the monstrosity that is the 8800, hit you in the head, killing you instantly.


Some times, its best to buy now, to save your life.

"the R600 combines the X2 technology we employ in our AMD processor line chips and effectively creates two x1950xtx in one chip. We plan on having dedicated ram busses supporting DDR4 at a maximum amount of 2GB for the enthusiast market, and 1GB standard. The watt consumption is 615watts per card and to prevent any necessary upgrades, they have an external power brick. More news to follow."

B.S.

DDR3 generation doesn't mean it's going to be faster; the X1950XTX uses DDR4 and the 8800GTX is usually around 2x as fast as it.

My bad, I should actually read these things sometimes hehe
Yeah, I totally agree for waiting for it. In the very least it should get cheaper once the R600 comes out. Ahhh... my new computer will be built in Feb. Should be an exciting time for me!

actualy both companies said they will stop building video cards in may2007. So really, there will not be anything beter.

Anyone who got the pre-Christmas nVidia GeForce 8800 cards will be quite annoyed by March - April - May 2007

Imagine another +40 to +60% jump in performance (depends on settings).

Also imagine the power of 2 x X1900 XT cards on one GPU, with GDDR4 at 2.4 GHz to boot - because that is basically the level of performance they'll be competing against.

This is why I am holding off.

I dont think it'll have 2 x 256 bit GDDR4 at 2.4 GHz for just 'one much more advanced core on a die shrink'.

A switched 512 bit interface, maybe.
256 bit x 2.4 GHz GDDR4 = Far more likely, but that is still 76.8 GB/sec connected to a GPU with a 512 bit ring bus memory controller.

(ATI get better utility out of what VRAM throughput they have than nVidia IMHO, this does not mean their cards are always faster however).

Considering it will not be long until nVidia have 105.6+ GB/sec (VRAM peak) cards on the market if I was ATI I'd be planning something big for March / April '07.

Either way ATI will beat the GeForce 8800 GTX by a good margin just 3 months after Christmas, or nVidia will with a refresh part.

AU $1,250 (apx) initially, but it'll drop by 12% in quick order.

The PSU I'd be recommending for overclockers would be an 880 watt or greater (see Power Supplies Thread).

Performance will likely be about +24% higher than the GeForce 8800 GTX (the pre-Christmas one, as it'll be known late Q1 2007).

It'll be a combination of faster VRAM (be it GDDR3 at up to 1.8 GHz or far more likely GDDR at 2.2 to 2.4 GHz), and the new GPU.

The new GPU will have a much higher transistor count (performance) than the existing X1950 XT.

Typically the aim to release a flagship product with balanced GPU core performance, and enough VRAM throughput to really feed it.

Just one or the other is rather pointless.

As we've already seen the X1950 XT scaled quite well when going from GDDR3 to GDDR4 at just 2.0 GHz - Did it not ? - Something about ATI owning many of the patents that went into GDDR4, I don't even know for sure if nVidia can cross-licence it. (Or if they can it'll be through a GDDR4 manufacturer that needs to pass costs onto nVidia, which will put ATI in a better state price/performance wise anyway, and they need to regain heaps of market share after AMD bought them out).
In fact, effectively, AMD now own all the GDDR4 patents, that is not too shabby.
I'd be expecting about +76% (if chipset/CPU doesn't bottleneck) performance in high resolution with 4x FSAA more performance with R600 vs Radeon X1900 XT.

Of that (compunding) performance gain +33% will come from the GDDR4, the majority of the performance boost will be the new GPU architecture. This has been the case historically once memory got fast enough (eg: GeForce 2 MX - 400 series, vs Riva TNT2 Ultra), and has been ever since.

Frankly I look forward to the card, and hope it has a low power consumption at the desktop / while mostly idle, and is quite (fan noise wise) when under high load.

Any 'extra' VRAM throughput they get on it will be due to a better memory controller on the GPU itself and/or wider than 256 bit interconnect to the GDDR4. It'll have at least 76.8 GB/sec peak for VRAM anyway, but hopefully double that (153.6 GB/sec peak) using 512 bit interface. (Which is a pipedream, that only reinforces the fact that most the gain will come from within the GPU itself, not without - unless you count the power source that is - ).

I want the Geforce 2 Mx400 to come out in an aniversery edition. Would be great if both companies released older cards in special silver boxes for only $100.

As to the title of this thread and the OP.... YES ALL CARDS GET OUT DATED SOON ENOUGH. Spending 600 bucks you would think it woud last, but it doesnt. Get over it... nothing new.

I payed $850 for a Pent3 733 mhz processer. Is it out dated? yes. Worth $850? No. You payed $600 for the 8800. Is it out dated? Not yet. Worth $600? No.

Oblivion on my system at 1280X1024 4XAA 16XAF+HDR all in game settings 100% maxed out plus driver settings are on high quality.











































Now tell me again why its stupid to buy a G80?





System Specs:

E6400@3.4ghz with Scythe Infinity for cooling
Crucial 10yr anniversary DDR2 running at 987mhz 4 4 4 5
Asus P5B delux
8800GTX 630core 2030mem
Soundblaster Audigy 4

Hmm.. way to pay 600-700 bucks to play games at 1280x1024.

Here's a task for you: list all Dx10 games that your "God-like" 8800gtx can play.

Please, in the future don't waste my time by posting screen shots of nothing.

LMAO 1280X1024 is not so bad and besides Oblivion I play all my games with 16XAA

Lets see you do that on a X1900XT

And btw smart ass I bought the card fully knowing that DX10 would not be out and ready for a good while.

LMAO 1280X1024 is not bad and besides Oblivion I play all my games with 16XAA

Lets see you do that on a X1900XT

And btw smart ass I bought the card fully knowing that DX10 would not be out and ready for a good while.

Did you just reply 5 times? Wow congrats...


YOU WIN THE: TOTALY USLESS POSTER AWARD


Btw, I hope it doesnt take 5 replies to get back to me.

Actualy, my Geforce 6150 can play Oblivion at those settings, and its an IGchip. You just payed $600 bucks for something that do exactly what mine can.... albeit at 3fps, but who cares right? its not DX10.

the fact that the pictures are: worthless, innane pictures of nothing, is a problem with your computer you stupid moron.

and btw dont trust too much inq says

Here are my thoughts, not that anyone will really care. I bought the 8800 GTS knowing that Direct 10 games were not available yet. The reason I did is because I sold my X1900XT for a decent amount and I only had to pay around $150 to upgrade to the GTS. I hope the R600 is going to be a good card because if isn't then there is no competition.

1) Run games at maximum settings at over twice the framerate of the 1900XT

2) HDR + AA on every title that supports it

3) Quantum physics on-card gpu physics

4) 16xAA

5) Coverage AA

6) DX10 geometry shader capability


How's that for starters, chump?