Apple? Being arrogant? Never!

Okay, I wasn't really sure where to put this one but I thought it was worth quoting anyway.

Now I'll be the first to jump to the defense of Apple computer in the face of idiots who don't like them 'cuz it's cool not to', but I just read one of the most arsey passages I've ever come across! Regarding the recent debarcle where Apple shipped iPods with viruses on them:

Well, they do admit they're not happy with themselves for that 'small mistake', but seriously...I think I'm starting to get what all you Americans always go on about hating - arsey Mac fans (like the Apple press dept.).

Apple get a bit up themselves

At least you didnt put it in the CPU thred

BTW this was reported by Toms a while back.

I wonder if Norton and McAffe paid Apple to link to their products on that page or if some Apple guy genuinely linked there.

BTW I hate McAffe and Norton. *shudders*

i hope that i fall into the not all catagory. i wonder if my ipod has a virus? eh, im not syncing it with my soon to be pc, i'll just keep it hooked up to my macbook. i dont want all my various podcasts and music to take up disk space anyway.

i hope that i fall into the not all catagory. i wonder if my ipod has a virus? eh, im not syncing it with my soon to be pc, i'll just keep it hooked up to my macbook. i dont want all my various podcasts and music to take up disk space anyway.
You have Master Chief as your avatar, so you can't be that bad.

(BTW, I never make snap decisions about people, and I never make gross generalizations!).

Glad I'm not the only one that has plugged my headphones into an iPod and said "what the..!?!?".

If only all Mac users were like you! I don't have a problem with Apple or their OS as much as I have a problem with the majority of Apple users being elitists (which also wouldn't bother me if they didn't go around telling me I don't know jack, when I work in the IT industry and they are just some person at my coffee shop with a Mac).

Anyway, I thought this thread was going to turn in to a complete flame war. I'm glad we are all getting along so well . Macs are cool, PCs are cool, let's leave it at that.

It is perfectly legitimate to rail against windows for its instability and insecurity but that comment by apple strikes me as a most idiotic thing to say.

"As you might imagine, we are upset at Windows for not being more hardy against such viruses, and even more upset with ourselves for not catching it."

That is probably the equivalent of a person taking a shit on your living room rug and then getting mad at YOU for not having shit-repellant carpet. They really have no right to get upset at the windows platform for a problem they caused.

Before anyone becomes alarmed by my statements, I just wanted to say that I am not a Microsoft apologist: quite the contrary, as a matter of fact. I have just recently started using Linux and I am proud to say that windows XP will be my last windows OS. Also, as cool as I think it is that MacOS is based on Unix (and so it is more stable than windows), I STILL don't like apple and I will never understand the sheer zealotry and jihadist tendancies exhibited by their user base. Mac users are quick to point out vendor lock-in from Microsoft, and yet they are using the biggest vendor lock-in systems of all (since apple controls EVERYTHING about macs).

Kudos to apt403 for getting a clue and realizing that macs are not 'the way, the truth, and the light' that apple makes them out to be. It takes a smart person to realize that no one manufacturer/software designer gets it right all of the time.

-Zorak

That analogy is no even close. try again
No you are "no even close". Try again.

I think the analogy is dynamite. At least you admit yourself that you are one of the elitist zealots of Apple.

As long as you're happy being in the Apple vendor lock-in killer app, fine. Just don't stay stupid shit like "Well at least you put mac first ,lol" when I'm trying to not get into stupid-ass "durp durp, Macs are better because the plastic is shinier and they make me feel good inside durp durp" bs.

Mac owners like to think it's a lifestyle choice, does this sound familiar? Typically found in liberal venues, these types of people speak about freedom of expression then look to demean any expression that doesn't agree with their POV as "unenlightened" or just plain ignorant.

Mac owners like to think it's a lifestyle choice, does this sound familiar? Typically found in liberal venues, these types of people speak about freedom of expression then look to demean any expression that doesn't agree with their POV as "unenlightened" or just plain ignorant.
Yeah, it's like this (note the similarity to brainwashing techniques used in "Brave New World" to keep the class structure in place):

Macs are the most supremely killer computers on the planet. I won't even think about using Windows or Linux, and I make an "icky face" every time I'm forced to. I'm glad I'm a Mac user and I don't like people that use other OS's. People that use Windows and Linux make me mad because they're not open-minded and creative like me.

They don't support the creativity that comes with buying completely into one company that produces the hardware, OS, software and accessories for every computer you buy.

-Joe Mac User (A-Class)

these types of people speak about freedom ... then look to demean any expression that doesn't agree with their POV as "unenlightened" or just plain ignorant.

Heh, I wouldn't say that's a "liberalist" trait so much as it is a "self absorbed human" trait. Conservatives do it too and try to weild their assumed majority like a club to try and make people fall in line whenever their arguments cannot stand on their own.

I know the people you're talking about, they certainly exist. But admit that for every one of them there are 5 christian-manifest-destiny zealots (and 100 other people who are little more than sheep, and like two intelligent people who attempt to maintain objectivity). I tend to side with the people who at least try to uphold freedom of expression. xD

I wonder if anyone has done a poll to see if mac owners tend to be liberal or conservative about social issues. They gotta be falling into the conservative side of economics to spend that much for a status symbol though (or they are "artist" types that were convinced that photoshop doesn't run on PCs or something like that) xD

Oh and the ****-repelant carpet analogy was pretty good as far as anologies go. To spell it out without analogies: They distributed a windows virus then blamed windows for not being self-intelligently indestructible. Any operating system capable of running 3rd party software is capable of being infected with malicious code. Macintosh is a trusted software distributer who distributed a virus. Which virus it was and what OS it took advantage of is irrelevant. They screwed up and shouldn't be trying to blame others. That they did is arrogant.

They said "less than 1%" of the shipped ipods had it... how many is that? Thousands? Tens of thousands? Hehe, Apple always goes to great lengths to manipulate the data they present to make themselves look good. Only 25 people reported finding the virus... so those are the 25people that had up-to-date anti-virus softare installed and the other 10,000 people who bought one are now infected? Just speculation, but humorous I think how they try to pretend that couldn't possibly be the case. Only "1%...25".

Any company that fires their own founder is kinda retarded in my book. lol

Interesting. This thread has really taken a weird turn.

Totally off topic.... Sort of.

I once did a contract in a small town in Kansas... Topeka, if memory serves...

Any way, there were all these 'conservative christians' lining the roads railing against abortion, railing for god in the schools, whatnot.

One of them shot a doctor, or someone, trying to counsel a woman at a clinic... Can't quite remember the details.

I was never so glad to get back to AUS... They made me nervous. A wierd lot, your 'conservatives...'.

im assuming your talking about steve job's? eh, he wasnt exactly "fired" i mean, he lost his job title, but he was still kinda part of apple, and John Sculley was willing to give him a R&D job, even after he tried to overthrow him and take over as president, but he tried to overthrow him again and the product delevlopment job was out of the question. he still had an office after that, but didnt have anything to do, no responsibilities what-so-ever, so he went to europe and rode around on a bike for a while and promoted the first mac in germany after the iron curtain was gone.

Perhaps Microsoft has the right to be annoyed at Apple for not having a larger user base... if Macs were in the majority, Windows wouldn't be the target that it is today.

Looks like someone's pretty upset about the result of the last election. BTW, Rush Limbaugh uses a Mac.

I'd be interested to know what video/photo editing tools you use in Linux that make it superior to a mac. I use Windows and Linux everyday, and they both make great servers. However on the desktop, Linux still has a ways to go in my mind. If you are talking about Gimp, I would hardly say that it is superior to Photoshop / Illustrator. What video editing tools do you use?

Don't get me wrong, I am not particularly fond of macs. Most of my apprehension towards them is because I do not like the interface (or the elitist mentality that they somehow entrench in their users). It feels clunkly and unintuitive to me.

I have several workstations at home, one of which is running Linux. If there really are great video editing tools out there as you claim, I would like to get them.

... It's worrysome whenever anyone takes the Oval office, all our president's have been fairly sucky, even Clinton, who I like... at least he gets more play than me =(

I'm probably one of the most anti-mac people there is. If it's possible to declare a crusade/jihad/wanted poster against Mac, I'm all for it. Just to show all the Mac elitist what dumbass pricks they all are. I would rather argue with a bishop on theology than against a Mac person, becuase they are more impervious to logic than anyone I've met. They spout all this general BS, say how their systems are better, and when I ask them exactly what they have in it, they look like a dumbass...

Ugh... end of rant about Mac's...

I do admit though, Final Cut Pro would be probably the only reason to buy a Mac. Otherwise, you deserve to be hanged, burned, shot, and guillotined at the same time.

HAHA! That's a good one. You're right, Apple fanboys are the most obnoxious of them all. They make AMD/Intel fanboys look like amateurs. But not all Mac users are fanboys and many of those with in the fanboy category only do it in jest.

I really don't think it is good that MS would drop Office for Mac because that would be one less developer for the Mac platform, thus perpetuating Apple's self orgy (i.e. only having apple software on an all apple machine). As much as I don't like the MS monopoly, the idea here is that ALL platforms need competition, not just the windows arena. Also, Apple would probably be smart to start selling OSX to whoever wants it, but right now they are doing the idiot dance and proclaiming that such things are forbidden. Given Apple's track record of trying to control everything (iTunes anyone?), I am pretty sure that they aren't going to open up their OS for other x86 machines to use any time soon.

In the end, I think that apple is really just a smaller microsoft and all of the acrimony between the two is because apple is pissed that Microsoft became the dominant force instead of apple. You might say that MS doesn't encourage their windows fanboys as much as apple does, and you would be right. But, I suppose the only reason why apple encourages their cult of zealots is because they are already at a point where they won't survive without their hardcore sycophants since the rest of the world is either too lazy or doesn't care about exploring options other than windows.

In the past, I would have suggested that apple allow other vendors for macs (before they switched to x86), but now that they have become a little more akin to something like Dell or HP (except with more control over everything) the only thing I think they can do to save themselves and earn some respect is to allow other x86 machine vendors to preinstall OSX as an option instead of windows. Until then, i will keep my low opinion of that company and its fanboys.

I agree with most of your post but disagree with the last snarky comment. I don't think professionals or enthusiasts who like and use the Mac deserve to be prejudged as zealots and fanboys.

Hmmm... first off, why would anyone use a mac? If you're an enthusiast, you would stay far away from the Mac platform, in fact, I'd beat them all with a stick. Can't OC it, can't upgrade it, can't do anything with it because Apple assumes all Mac users are idiots who don't know the front end of their computer from the back end. So enthusiasts who like to tweak things are already going to stay away.

Proffesionals, like I said, depends on what they do. Graphic work, and video work I can accept. Anything else, I see no reason why you would use a Mac. I will then start the Mac fanboy bashing. Well, if you like OS X, I might cut you some slack, unless you start saying how much better than Windows it is, then Imma smack you upside the head with the stick of fanboyism.

If you're a cute girl and you like Mac, fine, PC's prolly seem fairly ugly for them. Everyone else, get a PC.

8% of the market? In the US maybe, worldwide? Try ~2%.

LOL...

Are we hinting at the sexual preference of Mac users?