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I already put a small tid bit of my argument into this earlier in the thread that I suppose Curious1 did not read. Yes I will pay more money for BETTER hardware any day of the week, as you said...to each his/her own! Price/Performance ratio isn't everything in life, it defiantly has is appeal at times, but is always negated by the fact that if I were to have paid more I would have gotten a better product.

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listen, im a pc gamer, and by that, i mean i play video games on my pc. i dont care what else it can run that a 360 or ps3 cannot..im talkinga bout gaming...and just because im a pc gamer doesnt mean i cant say when pc's have been defeated by consols. Pc gaming is defenetly, as of now, NOT better in any way than consols. the graphics are flat out flawless and they run perfectly smooth at all times. and everytime i say that i always get the same over excited respsonse from geeky pc gamers " BUT BUT BUT IT CAN DO OTHER THINGS TOO!" i dont care what other things the pc can do, we are talking about gaming, nothing more, and for gaming, pc has defenetly gone down hill...from delay in games up to and over a years worth of waiting, over expensive hardware (650 bucks for a video card?!?! 1500 bucks for a quad core processor!?!) new technology or not, thats way over priced considering that this will drop in price over months. iv been a pc gamer, for 5+ years now, and before these new consols came out, i swore by the graphics, the playability in games, and controls of the pc...personally, the only reason im staying with my pc for now, is because of the simple fact that i have a keyboard and mouse for my controls, nothings better..."BUT BUT BUT YOU CAN TURN UP THE RESOLUTION ON YOUR CUNTPUTER MONITOR TO 1900x1200" ...you know what, i dont care, i dont visually see a difference between 1024, 1280, or 1600x1200..let alone going up that high. gmaes like fear and counter strike is what kept me a pc gamer for right now, but , hey what do you know, fear is out for the 360, so are alot of other games. "BUT BUT YOU NEED A HIGH DEF LCD 2000 DOLLAR TV TO PLAY THEM ON"..ehem, if youv forgotten, i can easily hook a 360 up to my monitor, but i wont, cuz again, keyboard and mouse is the best. theres prolly only a few games in 2007 im looking forward to, half or most are coming out for the consols that cost as much as a single video card. (assassins creed, bioshock, stalker, ut2007, brothers in arms HH and a few others i might have forgotten) but all and all, Pc gaming is just becoming too expensive, enough is enough with these insanely high prices, all the hype about how powerful the new video card is to make it sound like its worth the 650 bucks. dont forget about buying a high end processor, esxpensive sticks of ram to go with your video card. So , i most defenetly think pc gaming is dying...when prices go down on these new video cards it will start all over again. now once again, i AM a pc gamer and i dont own any consols, im not taking sides, but, not using scientific garble, or nerdy hardware specs of the consols versus pc specs...i can simply say this...iv seen how good games look on the 360 and how good they run, and it just looks flat out amazing "BUT BUT BUT THE PCS VIDEO CARD DOES 9823432 GIGAFLOPS OF INFORMATION A MICROSECOND! SO IT HAS TO BE BETTER" ....that doesnt tell me ****, iv seen with my own 2 eyes, teh graphics power of these consols, and pc's , as of now, have lost the battle...crysis was the only game that looked like it could graphically annihilate the consols..but guess what, to no surprise, it got pushed back till september!!!!! :evil:




LOL!!!!!!! no wait......hahahahah, hahahahahahahahaha. Whats so funny? The only online multi-player listed was CS. Dude play BF2 and tell me your Wii or xbox has games that play like that. Ever played unreal tourny on a PS2, it suxord.

Few questions for you.
Can people with a ps3 and x360 play together?
Are games now devolped on a PS3?
Will future computers be based on what Sony or microsoft are selling?
What happens when the PS4 comes out? Will a PS3 and PS4 be compatible?

The PROBLEM with consloes is planned obsolecence. Not upgradeable.

I would think that both consloe's ond pc's will continue to advance and niether is going anywhere anytime soon. Sure consloe games look better now, why wouldnt they? They have pc gamin rigs doing there homework for em.

Yes I do have a consloe for my kids. Yes I will buy them a Wii.
Consloe are great for 3rd person games, sport, driving.
NOT FPS.

Let me finish with hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha!

Listen, im not gonna go list EVERY pc game i play, but for yuor information, i do play battlefield 2, and 2142, along with prey and others. and i never disagreed that consols werent good for fps..however, the graphics are still much better. im not talking about upgradability, im not talking about controls, im not talking about nerdy hardware specs, im talking about GRAPHICS!! didnt you idiots read my post, or do you skim threw it cuz your such an angry pc gamer at the truth? how could you not be angry that your paying 650 bucks for the newest card, 1500 bucks for a fucking processor! 300 bucks for 2 sticks of ram that usually just break. i would be, unless your mommies pay for everything in which you arnt angry about the money part.

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PC gaming will never die but here are my reasons for buying a Xbox 360 console this holiday season over building a gaming PC:

1. COST

The Xbox 360 console costs about $400 dollars versus at least $1500 dollars for a gaming PC. No upgrade costs with a console. Yes, yes, I can hear the PC gamers now, “That’s not true because you need to buy a $2500 dollar HDTV for HD gaming with the Xbox 360!” No, you don’t because Microsoft has a $40 dollar VGA cable that allows you to attach your Xbox 360 to a computer monitor.

2. GAMES

Nearly all of the games I wanted to play on my gaming PC are now on the Xbox 360. HL2, COD2, Doom 3, FEAR, PREY, Oblivion, GTA3, Quake 4, they are all there. The only game missing is UT2004 but I can wait for UT2007 on the Xbox 360. Moreover, now I can play Xbox exclusives like Halo 1, 2 and 3 and of course, Gears of War! If God of War 2 is ported to the Xbox 360, it’s a full house for me.

3. ONLINE COMPETITION

Xbox Live, need I say more? Although I haven’t experienced it yet I have yet to see a less than glowing report about Xbox Live. By all accounts it looks like the online Xbox experience will be significantly better than the online PC gaming experience. But do you know what the kicker is for me? The standardized hardware and software ensures to a high degree that I am on a level-playing field with my competition in a game. I agree that the keyboard and mouse is a better control system than a console controller but that is immaterial on Xbox Live.

I also have another personal reason for buying a Xbox 360 over a desktop PC. I NEED a new portable computer for work. I WANT to game. The Xbox 360 allows me to buy a lighter, smaller and CHEAPER portable notebook computer for work. This negates the PC gamers argument about how a desktop PC can do more than a Xbox 360 because a Xbox 360 plus a notebook computer can do everything a desktop PC can do AND MORE FOR CHEAPER!



Agreed. Nerdy pc gamers respsonce " LIKE OMGZORS!! THO!! A PC CAN DO 34389743 gigaflops of data a second than a consol noob machine can do!! :-( )

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Just relax and enjoy playing games. Don't worry about what is going to replace what? It's a matter of what you can afford and go from there. As for those who feels little insecure as to the "Dying Of PC Gaming". Ask yourself this question "Do you see people bring their console (PS2, XBox360 or PS3,...etc) to any LAN party?" There you have it. Console gaming are mainly for kids and average user, not for hardcore gamers... period.

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If you truly believe that the next gen consoles are better technologically than high end computers, then you have no idea how the architecture of their components work. The quick an easy comparison, many game developers have said they would have been much happier with a 2.0ghz A64 or Pentium 4 because they would be able to get better performance out of the CPU's. The reason for games running better on less hardware for consoles is because the games are made specifically for the fixed hardware in those consoles and the consoles do not have as much proprietary software to run in the background of the games, hence requiring less memory. When game developers make a game for consoles they test FPS rates when making the games on the exact hardware. When they make a game for PC's they make it to where the games will run better on newer hardware, if not hardware that isn't out yet, so is to prolong the lifespan of that specific game on PC hardware. Overall, PC > Console and is not dying what so ever! My computer runs CoD 2 at full res (1280x1024) and all high settings much better than a Xbox 360, which if you have an eye for it can tell that is suffers a lot of frame loss during gameplay.

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3Ball


What did i say...who cares the reason WHY the consols look better or play better "but but pc has stuff running in the background too!!" , well, no sh!t, which is just another of many reasons why pc gaming is just going down hill more and more each day, along with rising prices.

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Relax and Enjoy!




this guys got the right idea

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If you truly believe that the next gen consoles are better technologically than high end computers, then you have no idea how the architecture of their components work. The quick an easy comparison, many game developers have said they would have been much happier with a 2.0ghz A64 or Pentium 4 because they would be able to get better performance out of the CPU's. The reason for games running better on less hardware for consoles is because the games are made specifically for the fixed hardware in those consoles and the consoles do not have as much proprietary software to run in the background of the games, hence requiring less memory. When game developers make a game for consoles they test FPS rates when making the games on the exact hardware. When they make a game for PC's they make it to where the games will run better on newer hardware, if not hardware that isn't out yet, so is to prolong the lifespan of that specific game on PC hardware. Overall, PC > Console and is not dying what so ever! My computer runs CoD 2 at full res (1280x1024) and all high settings much better than a Xbox 360, which if you have an eye for it can tell that is suffers a lot of frame loss during gameplay.

Best,

3Ball


What did i say...who cares the reason WHY the consols look better or play better "but but pc has stuff running in the background too!!" , well, no sh!t, which is just another of many reasons why pc gaming is just going down hill more and more each day, along with rising prices.


one thing about the cost you don't need to buy the $600 video card you can get a card that I would say is as good as any console card or better for around 180 bucks now. you don't need a $1500 cpu heck to play games $200 to $300 will have you well covered for any game. Ram also doesn't need the best of the best some value ram will do just fine.

one other note on the hardware pc's can reuse some parts like the case, or psu, fans and heatsinks, keyboard mouse, ps3 xbox 360 dont think thats going to happen

one more thing I have no idea if consoles use dx10 or openGL but id imagine they use something very smiler and you know what I bet they don't use something that is as up to date as dx10. I know dx10 is not out yet but very soon to be

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My point is you are NOT paying more to get a better product you are paying more on overlapping technology. That was the first sentence in my response and you totally ignored it. Let me try to put it to you another way. You have a gaming PC, a Xbox 360 and a notebook computer, a MacBook Pro from your description. You can game and work on your PC, game on your Xbox 360 and game and work on your notebook computer. Do you see the redundancy? Do you see the IMHO wasted money? Why do you have the Xbox 360 and a gaming PC? Or why do you have a gaming notebook and a gaming PC? You spent $400 for the Xbox 360, $2000 for the notebook and I am being generous here $1000 for the gaming PC. I plan on spending $400 for the Xbox 360 and $1600 for the notebook, a MacBook by the way. Can’t you see that you are paying at least $1400 extra for practically the same functionality? Is limited gaming on the go worth all that extra money? It’s not about the price/performance ratio or better hardware it is about not wasting money.

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Meh,

I like PC gaming especially since strategy games like Civilization IV is very unlikely to come out for the XBox. X3: Reunion would have come out for the XBox 360, but Egosoft cancelled it. Good thing since the number of sectors to explore would have been smaller.

Anywaste, that's just me. I don't think I need to spend money on two seperate gaming systems.

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i'm a pc AND console gamer. owned an xbox since launch (6 years ago) and just bought a 360. also, i have a 65" HDTV which i bought for tv (football) and movies. i would own it without gaming, but games are amazing on it. however, my current pc (see sig) is nothing special but puts out better graphics than 360 already. madden on 360 is plagued by aliasing - jaggies galore. cod2 on 360 is nice but there is no ansiotropic filtering. it looks better on my generic gaming pc i built. my 6800gt can do at least 2xaa and 8x af on any game i have except maybe CoH. my pc setup with lcd cost about 1k while 360 is 400 (740 with same lcd and vga adapter). graphics are better on pc but consoles are easier (pop in disc and go). i prefer shooters, strategy on pc and sports, fighters, action (gta) and party games on consoles. console companies lose money on hardware and make up on software since they have monopoly. you pay more for pc but get cheaper games and user-created mods (hello counter-strike and DoD). to each his own, but consoles aren't way better than pc games. it's an easier experience and much better when friends stop by or when the wife wants to play something with me, but bf2 and cs rule on pc. not to mention, company of heroes has me drooling over graphics and game-play on my pc.

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To my knowledge you can't torrent a free console game.



Your knowledge is wrong. Although, if the game was "free", you don't really need to torrent it.

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What did i say...who cares the reason WHY the consols look better or play better



Of course, to ask WHY, you have to first ask IF. And my answer to the above would be a resounding no.

Also interesting is this pervasive view that you spend $1000+ on a PC, and all you can do on it is play games. WTH? Can the Xbox360 encode my DVDs? Process my video editing? Compile large programs from code? Use advanced CAD apps? Etc. Oh, wait, it can't :( And all those examples are greatly helped by a better CPU, memory, hard drive etc. (The situation may change if the PS3 gets better Linux code, but that's another story for another time.)

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Personally I think the quality of PC games (experience wise) has deteriorated over the last few years. It's been a while since we had a massive blockbuster, and even now, the time between blockbusters has just been getting greater. I think developers are not focusing on crunching out games for PCs, which is kind of sad. It's such a great platform to create whatever you want.

PC's by far outstip consoles with respect to experience. With regards to quality of games in numbers, I'm not so sure.

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You must not have followed this thread, it is about gaming, not what other tasks a PC can do. Sure its a plus for a PC to be able to do all those things, but does it make the games any better? Of course it doesn't. I have a very good gaming PC, and soon I'm getting a 360. I've ALWAYS been a PC and console gamer, mainly because both have their own style of games that I want. Some people on here claim keyboard/mouse is a better control setup(allowing for more complex control blah blah), but there are console games that cannot be played with a keyboard and mouse. One good example are fighting games. Try playing a fighter like GGX2 on a keyboard, it just doesn't work. I also feel a keyboard/mouse is much much better for a FPS, each system has their own advantages when it comes to controls. Also, a lot of people on here are comparing games like COD2 for PC/360, saying that COD2 looks better on the PC. Even though I agree with you, I don't think your points are very valid. If you take the same game engine and turn up the resolution on your PC, of course it will look better, so games that are produced for both the 360 and PC using the same 3d engine will always look better on PC. That being said, I think the 360 shows its graphical power mroe in games that are exclusive for it, liek GoW. Even though I have a very pwoerful gaming PC(x1900xtx, X2 4800, 2gb ram), I don't think I could run that game on full settings if it was ported. It looks a lot better than any PC game I have played, and even though it will eventually be surpassed by PC games graphically, you're still going to have spend a ton on hardware to be able to play games like it. Anyway, consoles are by far cheaper for gamers, which is why they are becoming so popular, but PC gaming will never die.

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