Blue-Ray or HD-DVD - Page 6

If you look at it,

Consoles are actually fighting now to be your centralized media device.

They added Hard Drives, not to help you save your games but to sell you content. The XBOX-360 is Media Center PC compatible on purpose.

Consoles are not just for gaming anymore

In fact there are also rumors Microsoft is expanding their new ZUNE store interface to include downloadable less than DVD quality video for your XBOX

And there is the killer. The second someone tells me i cant play my media on any compatable player because it isnt the same one i recorded on they lose all credibility to me for being a good product. If this is in fact true blue ray goes the way of mini disk no doubt whatso ever in my mind at all. Now assuming thats true HD-DVD has already won and hte argument is dead.




Activists

The next-gen format war is a hard one for me. I would honestly wait for everything to settle out. For right now, this is what I have, Sony used MPEG2 compression on their first generation of movies and since I know MPEG2, there is bound to be artifacts and compression issues. HD-DVD doesn't have a larger capacity on their discs. Bluray does have larger capacity. HD-DVD used H.264 compression on theirs. They're pretty much on the same level. I may have had issues with Sony before, but Bluray has some really nice features. On the downside, you have DRM. They both have DRM, but sometimes, Sony can go way too far. But I would expect the same attitude for the HD-DVD party. On price, HD-DVD seems to win, but the performance is lacking on players. The Samsung player is faster than the Toshiba player. I don't it's a fair benchmark, I would have to experience more players to see if it's a manufacture flaw. Most of the HD-DVD and Bluray players I've experienced resulted in the same thing. But, among my worthless mutters, I think I'll stand neutral.

Call me old fashioned, but I'm thinking about getting a N64 simply because of GoldenEye007. Now that game was worth buying the console for. Games drive console sales, but the addition of Blu-Ray or HD-DVD is just another feature. However, developers might like these additions in order to develop games for said system. If more developers like a system better, then better games will come out for that system. But if the console doesn't do well, then no good games will be made, and the extra features won't help in the sale of said console. Aaaaah! Avoid circular thinking!

Anyway, I haven't been into consoles since the N64. Nowadays they keep adding features to the consoles to make them more appealing, and I guess I'm just slow for seeing consoles as purely gaming devices. I may spring for a Wii instead of a 64 if GoldenEye will be available on the Wii download service thingy. I'm not at all into this new hi-def war - I just want it to sort itself out in one way or another so there will be a nice easy standard for me to select. TELL ME WHAT TO BUY, DAMMIT!

consoles are for gaming just these companys want to make it for more for as i can see it really no reason. Wii is the first console im going to buy since snes however (simply because i can play all the games i grew up on from intelevision,atari,nintendo,super nintendo) which for console are seriously the only ones im interested aside zelda

Anyways people dont buy consoles becuase of the drive it has however once they have the console they say hey my console can play movies which drives sales. Now a console will not determin which format wins it will have a impact so dont count out consoles in that department.

damn that big of a tv with that crappy of a resolution? i wouldnt be surprised if you could see each pixle up to 50 feet away

Course if i want to use any hd res it would be 1080p and any devices i get would have to fully support that. From the readin i have done ps3 might support it but yeah the graphics card will defanitly limit its use for gaming.

Here is a new thought on the console war and Sony's blunder with the Blue ray.



Because Sony included a blueray player in its own console, its direct competitors, I.E. Xbox and Wii, now must deny the blueray as its direct competition to their own product. Microsoft could have released a blueray or hd-dvd addon which would have helped Sony reach its goal and let the market deside which format to chose. Microsoft did not have any real investment in either format. HOWEVER, now that the PS3 (not really Sony) is built with a Blueray player, Microsoft Xbox devision chose to compete by releasing only hd-dvd as an option.


--> sorry really tired. Idea is up, feel free to correct me.

Dang, Ches111, I'd be itching for more hi-def content too if I had a monster TV like that. I, on the other hand, still have my 32" tube TV that has survived quite well the past few years. This is part of my decision to get a cheaper console (probably Wii, but I'm not opposed to the 360), because why pay for extra quality if you can't even display it? At the rate my TV is going, it should last another year or two. So in the meantime I could split my money between my car and my computer while there is still so much going on. Ugh I need to get more money. I think that's one of my problems. I could complain about BR or HD-DVD all day, but it's not like I have the funds set aside for either of them for the time being.

this is how i see it:

Blu-Ray is better
HD-DVD is cheaper.

so i hope bluray turns out the popular one but i think HD-DVD will.
Bluray having 200GB on 8 layer discs, hd-dvd doesnt even come close to that much.

I just checked out the HD-DVD player attachement on XBox website. I noticed it said it is a double sided disc with one side being the HD-DVD and the other being regular DVD backwards compatible. This is awesome.

Now Blockbuster only needs to stock HD-DVD and not both a blueray and regular DVD disc. And if you ownan HD-DVD disc at home it will play in your mini van as well. Blueray won't.

As far as computers and storage space goes. WHo cares if the disc will hold 30gb or 50gb of MP3s. Those few people who actually have that much MP3s can just use 2 HD-DVD discs instead of one.

The backwards compatibility with DVD is a big selling factor for me.

well ppl are gonna store more than just MP3's on their discs.
of coarse u dont need 100GB or 200GB for songs.

Wow. You hate Microsoft so you rambled of a list of numbers you came up with?

- Both Blu-ray and HD-DVD use the same laser ("ray" ) wavelength.

- HD-DVD stores 15GB per layer, Blu-ray stores 25GB per layer.

- DRM is restrictive for end-users. "Better DRM" for end users is no DRM. Being able to stream movies anywhere in your house, being able to load your favorite movies on your NAS and watch them at a whim, being able to back up your kid's favorite movie, because you know they're going to destroy it...these are things that DRM prevents us from doing.

Anyway, you hate Microsoft, so HD-DVD is vastly inferior...I get it. A lot of people feel the same way about Sony. You keep hating MS, I'll be watching some of my HD-DVDs. (Should anyone care, I purchased HD-DVD based on the fact that existing players and existing movies have no region coding, and I'm hoping it stays that way.)

no region encoding!?! If that stays, I'm HDDVD all the way.

Here are some links I looked up for a post in different forum:

http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/07 [...] or-hd-dvd/
"We've gotten a variety of opinions about region controls. Even in the Steering Committee, they are extremely unpopular; we decided to not put them in. HD DVD probably won't contain any region playback controls."
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Ne [...] wsId=15223
"DVD Forum: HD DVD Movie Titles to be Region Free"
http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=60715
"...this is as strong a sign as any that HD-DVD will not be locked to regions."
http://www.emedialive.com/Articles [...] leID=11877
(Explains DVD region codes, Blu-ray region codes and the lack of HD-DVD region codes)

I can't find the quote I had from a Microsoft employee, but it goes along these lines: None of the HD-DVD players on the market today have region restrictions, and lack the hardware necessary to check for region restrictions. What that means is that there is a very good chance that you will never see region restrictions on HD-DVDs, and even if you do, the players already released won't know to check for them, so they will continue to play any HD-DVD disk they get.

As an American that lives overseas, and imports games and movies from other regions, that was the deciding factor for me.

Tough call really...

Technically, from what i remember, Blu Ray is better than HD DVD, firstly they had greater capacity, which i believe the tech for 1TB HD DVD is out there now, but also if i rem correctly, Blu Ray could get the same speeds with lowwer RPM, blue laser vs red laser thingy.

Thats the tech BS, as for 'real life'...

I think HD DVD will win out. From a marketing perspective, the public is HIGHLY sceptical about most new tech stuff. HD DVD has a HUGE advantage as most ppl know and use DVD's. So moving to HD DVD is like... duh... easy. Where as Blu Ray... OMG its new and could kill my small children! We all know the cost/risk involved is the same for both formats... but ppl DO think like that.

Having said that, i just got a new LCD tv (46" sony kekekeke), and all the douche-bag salesppls were pushing Blu Ray like crack on the corner of Jefferson.

Thats my 2c, only time will tell.
But as usual i am right.

Here are some links I looked up for a post in different forum:

http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/07 [...] or-hd-dvd/
"We've gotten a variety of opinions about region controls. Even in the Steering Committee, they are extremely unpopular; we decided to not put them in. HD DVD probably won't contain any region playback controls."
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Ne [...] wsId=15223
"DVD Forum: HD DVD Movie Titles to be Region Free"
http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=60715
"...this is as strong a sign as any that HD-DVD will not be locked to regions."
http://www.emedialive.com/Articles [...] leID=11877
(Explains DVD region codes, Blu-ray region codes and the lack of HD-DVD region codes)

I can't find the quote I had from a Microsoft employee, but it goes along these lines: None of the HD-DVD players on the market today have region restrictions, and lack the hardware necessary to check for region restrictions. What that means is that there is a very good chance that you will never see region restrictions on HD-DVDs, and even if you do, the players already released won't know to check for them, so they will continue to play any HD-DVD disk they get.

As an American that lives overseas, and imports games and movies from other regions, that was the deciding factor for me.

ha! It seems someone else has my plight. I've delt with region encoding as well, its quite annoying. I'm delighted that it seems there will be no region encoding.

I have a question. Why dont many studios that arent owned by sony only go with Blu?(like Disney)

I don't think it really matters. Scientists are already working on the next best thing. University of Central Florida is using standard DVD's and fitting 1 Terabyte on them just from using 2 recording lasers rather than one.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/emergingtech/?p=429

you kidding? CRTs look as good if not beter then LCD/Plasma. If you mean SD CRT, then ya i get your point.

naw. Sony is the kindhearted juber that we all expect them to be. My only wish is that I could snuggle with the CEO and become best friends for ever and ever.

Sony has yet to win a format war.

Why would they expect to win the BR war?

You have to be kidding! Well, if you want to know what the fuss is about, look up Sony's Rootkit issue (where they were trying to pretty much spy on people without them knowing), then start looking on the RIAA site:

http://www.riaa.com/default.asp

It pains me to link to those bastards. They sue single low-income mothers because their daughters download music, and they are evil. They even sue disabled people (dead serious). Start researching their lawsuits.

Then check this out:
http://www.eff.org/
http://www.boycott-riaa.com/mission


Anyway, that's why people are so freaked out by DRM. Because we don't want corporations to ruin the internet by spying on everybody all the time. The RIAA was probably formed after they watched V for Vendetta and mis-interpreted the message it was trying to convey.

Problem is when a new tech is emerging they already have the next on the drawing board so that is and always will be (has been) true. PS4 and the new xbox have been in design for a while now.

Along with incentives, Blu-ray has stricter DRM requirements, which causes more inconveniences for the consumer, but also more inconveniences for movie pirates. Given the choice between stricter DRM and relaxed DRM, consumers should naturally gravitate towards relaxed DRM and studios would naturally prefer stricter DRM.

You have to be kidding! Well, if you want to know what the fuss is about, look up Sony's Rootkit issue (where they were trying to pretty much spy on people without them knowing), then start looking on the RIAA site:

http://www.riaa.com/default.asp

It pains me to link to those bastards. They sue single low-income mothers because their daughters download music, and they are evil. They even sue disabled people (dead serious). Start researching their lawsuits.

Then check this out:
http://www.eff.org/
http://www.boycott-riaa.com/mission


Anyway, that's why people are so freaked out by DRM. Because we don't want corporations to ruin the internet by spying on everybody all the time. The RIAA was probably formed after they watched V for Vendetta and mis-interpreted the message it was trying to convey.

Reading stuff like this makes me scared! seriously,how long before we are forced to have microchips implanted in our bodies so the government and big corporations know exactly where we are and what we are buying.

I feel like going to Washington and gunning down a few congressmen, maybe then the rest of them might start fighting for our rights like they should be doing.

ok maybe not gun people down but Sony should definitely be shut down and ordered to pay billions for the people's rights they violated.
Yeah, I agree that something needs to be done. But, I think it's only a matter of time before these corporations get smacked down for their lame practices. More and more people are starting to realize "hey, DRM sucks!", so it gives me hope.