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I personaly agree with MS decision to ban the use of modded units on live for the reason stated.

Though im going to have to read this artical to see what he means by use it the way you want since i dont care about region codes since i dont goto the UK to buy movies

Oh, and modded Xbox's are still on Xbox live. :-) I've been cheated on Halo2 this week. Don't you love the guys that bounce high in the air and kill everyone on your team in .5 seconds with a BR? The problem isn't fixed, it might be "being addressed." As for region codes and piracy, I'm all for stopping it, as long as price competition can remain fierce. When one company is producing all the media...they can charge whatever they want. Without ATI NVidia can charge $2000 a card.

M$ took the appropriate position with regards to the hacked Xbox. Hell, I still have 2 of them in my apt, both hacked both still work and are useful. We know that M$ has the ability to force software updates on us, but have you noticed that all the 360 updates are voluntary? On the original they could have done what Sony does with the PSP, but they choose not to. It really highlights a different mindset that caused the success that M$ has had and has really exploited Sony (in a good way) and really stuck to them by saying "Oh here is a $200 drive to play hi-def stuff, Merry Christmas Japan!" lol.


Back to studying..... Damn addictive forums!

-Ryan

That isn't a cheat as much as it is an exploit. You don't hack to super-bounce (as it is called). There are certain places on levels where the wire points on the underlying frame converge and the screen stutters if you crouch and walk into them. Then you quickly jump onto a general point and get launched into the air. I can do it on my legit 360 or on a hacked 360, the exploit itself is embedded in the programming of the game. Hacks in Halo 2 are like stanbying where you manipulate the network connection itself in order to give yourself an advantage.

Well, I give a crap about the environment. My girl and I do what we can when we can (in fact her and a friend just started a recycling program at our work facility). Just because you could care less about the planet doesn't mean that everybody else could care less. Plus, I think people are starting to care more and more as it's becoming more of an issue (hell, 10 years ago I could care less and now I'm quoting GreenPeace).

360 multiplayer updates are mandatory for online play. They include anti-cheats. As far as the difference between superbouncing and modding, I guess you haven't played much Halo2...when a guy is zipping around the map at 100mph and flying like superman, I'd say it's a bit more than superbouncing. BTW, I haven't ever bothered to learn superbouncing either, as it's not what the people at Bungie intended for the game. They're just too lazy to fix it. MS could care less about Halo2, they've made their cash on it. It's a GAME. They really don't care. It's been abused, ruined, hacked, modded. It's old tech and old software. They aren't going to spend the money on fixing it. Period. Gameshark should have their pants sued off. MS and Bungie have basically admitted defeat with Halo2. They've gotten rid of good game types, attempted a reset of stats to no avail, and seperated Xbox 360 live from the original. I'd say they've moved on and let go a game that should've been great become mediocre. Don't get me started.

Well, I give a crap about the environment. My girl and I do what we can when we can (in fact her and a friend just started a recycling program at our work facility). Just because you could care less about the planet doesn't mean that everybody else could care less. Plus, I think people are starting to care more and more as it's becoming more of an issue (hell, 10 years ago I could care less and now I'm quoting GreenPeace).

When did I say I didn't care? I bitched out my gf's best friend's fiance for throwing a pop bottle on the ground. Damn Upers. Needless to say I have some difficulties forging relationships because I find people to be very nearsighted. But I'd rather be the voice of reason than cuddled up with some beer gutted couple from Northern Michigan. My GF still loves me. :-)

I guess it's a matter of where you draw your ethical line. We all hold companies to different standards. I have no doubt mine is probably higher than anyone who reads this. Have you not read my other posts? I've actually considered joining Greenpeace, have you?

Never had a problem with supermen.... either 1) I am lucky or 2) I am just such a damn good shot I kill them anyways

Well one thing to consider is that a $500 premium Xbox with a $200 HD-DVD player = $700. That's pretty comparable to a PS3 which has more powerful hardware and a better sales history. Still, the 1 year lead that Xbox 360 has, has really hurt the PS3. Oh, and aren't some Xbox 360 games more than $60? I seem to recall seeing Gears of War for $69.99 at Gamestop...I saved $10 and got the used version. :-P

True about the movies being too expensive though. Doesn't mean it'll stop us ungodly wealthy American's from being morons and buying them. Just look at how much we're willing to spend on the top of the line processor...

Who the fuk spends $1100 on a CPU when they can get a comparable one for 1/8th of that price? I'd understand it if that $1100 CPU wasn't junk (priced at about 1/16th of the cost) in 2 years.

Since you two have had about 2 pages of posts since this morning i wasn't able to say anything since but i know this is way later but all games for the Xbox 360 are at a max price of 59.99, most games were 49.99 but some high anticipated titles (I.E. Gears of War) demand a the higher price. Any games priced above 60 are either Platinum or Special Editions. So Gears of War comes in either $59 for regular or $69 for platinum

Back on subject.


I want the highest BUT most reduntant technology to win. I dont want a little scratch to ruin 75gigs of data. On the other hand, I want a way to off load large amounds of data, and BluRay does that.

With the failure of betamax, UMD, SACD, I dont see a positive outcome for blueray. I do though for HD-DVD for the simiple reasons. 1.) MUCH cheaper. It uses most the same tech as current players. 2.) Has DVD in the name.

First off. Bill Gates rules. He pioneered DOS in the old days and was the guy that brought DOS onto IBM's doorstep. He then went on his own to make windows and MS-DOS and the rest is history. Try setting up Linux, adding hardware, and doing half the stuff you do with windows without complaining. Its not going to happen. Windows rules, it has bugs, everyhting has bugs, but it keeps getting better and better. Yes Bill Gates is the richest man in the world, and a lot of people hate him for that but he has given a lot back. But in the end you have to respect Microsoft and personally I am glad they got into the console business preventing Sony from taking over and turning gaming an all Anime slugfest.

Playstation 1 had no competition. I will not include Nintendo here since they are in a league of their own and cater very well to children's gaming. PS2 had the XBOX as competition. PS2 ruled since every PS1 owner bought a PS2 for backwards compatibility, also Asia embraced the PS2. XBox also had HDD problems which tarnished their reputation. Who did embrace the XBox were hardcore computer geeks who modded and hijacked their XBoxes and loaded nintendo games into it. Very cool.

Now we have the PS3 and XBox 360. Older XBox fans will go XBox 360 as well as new customers who did not own the XBox. If we look at both, both are HD and widescreen. Both play games with pretty much the same graphics, both play DVD movies. Xbox 360 is cheaper, older meaning their are more titles and accessories for it, and it migrates with your windows much better, also better online play with Xbox Live.

So in the end which is better. Who cares, both are equal. Both hookup to a HD TV with widescreen and play game swith equal graphics. XBox 360 will be more succesful than Xbox was. But PS3 will probably be more succesful then XBox 360 although with less market share than the PS2 had. Its a slow trending process of Microsoft gaining the majority of the console market. And this is a good thing, cause even if Microsoft had a monopoly on the market they would still strive to improve on their product just like they do in the PC business. On the other hand Sony will do whats best for them and not what's best for the consumer.

So that puts an end to the Xbox 360 vs PS3 debate. Both are equal in gaming power, although the XBox 360 will be funner with online gaming and multimedia features when connected to your PC. Xbox has an addon for HD-DVD making it equal to the PS3. If Blueray wins, Microsoft can easily come out with a Blue Ray player to add to the XBox 360 so who cares. In the end I'd buy an Xbox 360 without hesitation.

Now the Blue Ray vs HD-DVD debate. Its not the console that will determine who wins. Its the movie industry and home theatre industry that will. If more movies become available for rent on Blue Ray then people will want to buy a Blueray player. If more movies are released on HD-DVD then people will want to buy a HD-DVD player. Quite frankly I don't think people will buy either until prices drop and when they decide to buy it will be which ever has more movies for rent at your local Blockbuster.

But I think the integrated BLue Ray player will help boost PS3 sales. Microsoft might have done well to integrate HD-DVD for the 360 then make an addon BLueRay player to compete with PS3. Then the 360 would rules since it would support both formats.

In the end I think HD-DVD will win since the industry will embrace it. By industry I mean all the electronics companies. BlueRay is embraced by Sony only. That means no blueray blanks for sale at staples or future shop and that means the death of BlueRay.

Conclusion. I think HD-DVD will win. I think the 360 will have a larger portion of the market than the Xbox had over PS2, although they will not beat the PS3 this time around. Its a slow migration to taking over the majority of the market and Microsoft will slowly win that battle. They have the resources, knowledge, and Bill Gates to help them do it. Bill Gates will do whats best for us, hell do what we want cause he reads the forums, and he knows how to do public opinion surveys and beta testing like nobody else to find out exactly what we want. Microsoft can also integrate their console to the internet and windows better than anybody else. They have Sony beat in every corner. Its just a matter of time before longtime PS fans start to migrate over to Xbox. Xbox fans will never migrate over to a PS.

Case closed. At least in my mind.

I'd reply "neither" until the following happens:

1. Somebody makes a universal HD-DVD + Blu-Ray player and burner for less than $100.
2. The DRM that prevents most people's hardware from working (e.g. HDCP) and from making backups (e.g. AACS) gets and stays cracked like the DVD's CSS did.
3. Recordable HD-DVD and Blu-Ray discs cost reasonable sums of money, say, a buck a disc or less like single-layer DVD+/-R discs are.

Actually, I hope that somebody produces a third standard that is free of the DRM crap- basically just a higher-capacity DVD. DVDs work well for data and movies so I think that the studios need to build on that instead of expensive, incompatible (ATM) nannyware systems.

I just checked www.futureshop.ca There is a larger selection of Blueray movies over HD-DVD movies for sale, and the Blueray ones seem to be cheaper.

It's not a matter of which is a better. its a matter of why is there a Blueray vs HD-DVD in the first place. Why can't there just be one standard like an IEEE or something like that.

People are jsut starting to embrace DVD, many people are just upgrading and starting to ditch the old VCRs, and now there is a new format. Its driving people nutz. Slow down have jsut 1 standard. What is blockbuster supposed to stock, both blueray and HD-DVD? People will see a movie in stock then say oh damn is blueray we can't watch it. It's bad enough people are all worked up over the widescreen vs full screen thing. You have to choose when renting. I hope one of them dies and dies fast so that we can move on with a normal lifestyle.

but as an apology, sony gave you 7bucks to buy a new CD if you purchased one with a root kit in the past.

Was that before or after they said that "Most people, I think, don’t even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?"

I have this suspicion that I am small-minded as well, but in a different fashion. I like backing up my files to a different medium (I currently use CDs) instead of copying to another hard drive. You make a valid point that HD backup is by and large cheaper, but it doesn't give me that fuzzy feeling about the safety of my data that my burnt CD collection gives me.

I decided to validate myself by looking around Newegg for best price-per-gigs for my backup media in question:

100-pack of CDs: $0.24/GB

100-pack of Single Layer DVDs: $0.05/GB

25-pack of Dual Layer DVDs: $0.16/GB

And you mention that the BD-R media clocks in at $0.56/GB which shows that this is more expensive than any of the other options, with the saving grace being the fact that less discs will be needed to backup my collection of crap. The other optical disks beat the $/GB for the HDD in your post, but you could argue that it's more hassle to mess with the discs.

Either way, right now we both agree that the next gen discs are far too expensive to use as backup - whether our choice of backup is an optical disc or hard disc. I'd just like to say that when the price of the drives goes down (considerably) and they offer spindles of the discs instead of just one, that's when I'll be looking to change over to these for my backup solutions.

Defanitly agree they are way to expensive.

One major thing i look at when picking a backup bedia is #1 size so i got a dual layer burner (yet no dual layer media lol)

life expectancy of the media. Now it might just be me but even the best of cd's i always seem to have a problem with in the long run however so far my dvd's havent failed me.

For a backup media i think right now im stuck on blue ray but i have no idea about movies. (ignoring DRM for the sake of argument)

for a 250 gig disk i wouldnt mind spending $12 on it but yea not $200000000000000000000000. Course we all know DVD's were highly expesive also i remember when i finaly decided a DVD burner would be worth it when they came down to $5 a disk. Course i didnt buy one till it was more like a buck a disk.

Well one thing to consider is that a $500 premium Xbox with a $200 HD-DVD player = $700. That's pretty comparable to a PS3 which has more powerful hardware and a better sales history. Still, the 1 year lead that Xbox 360 has, has really hurt the PS3. Oh, and aren't some Xbox 360 games more than $60? I seem to recall seeing Gears of War for $69.99 at Gamestop...I saved $10 and got the used version. :-P

True about the movies being too expensive though. Doesn't mean it'll stop us ungodly wealthy American's from being morons and buying them. Just look at how much we're willing to spend on the top of the line processor...

Who the fuk spends $1100 on a CPU when they can get a comparable one for 1/8th of that price? I'd understand it if that $1100 CPU wasn't junk (priced at about 1/16th of the cost) in 2 years.

You, sir, are mildly retarded.

Let's check out the prices. First off, your Xbox360 Premium is a coin shy of 400, not 500. 400+200=600. The HD-DVD player is furthermore usable on PCs (I'm using one now, never regretted it). The price of any Blu-Ray reader whatsoever (standalone or plugged into a SATA/IDE port) is MINIMUM 500 bucks (PS3 basic edition). Of course that's a moot point since they can barely plunk 'em out the door because of the feature-overload of the thing. The next closest is a Blu-Ray reader for a computer for 700. $200 or $700? I'll take 200. Furthermore, the copy protection on HD-DVD isn't as terrible, and it's not a Sony product (Beta, UMD, Memory Stick, etc).

Furthermore, no people I know have a "1100" dollar processer, and I live in a filthy-rich, uptight, egomaniacal neighborhood in America, although not by choice. Absolutely no one. Not 1 person. Not 1 person I know even has a computer worth over 1100 dollars NEW. They buy cheap 300 dollar Dells (because they're not tech-savvy).

So this all comes back around to the beginning: you're mildly retarded. This is further accentuated by the fact that you attempted to curse.

Stupid 3 year olds

Okay hang on guys, there are a heck of a lot more Xbox 360 consoles out there than PS3s, but just how many people are going to go out and get the HD-DVD addon? I don't think Sony completely missed the boat trying to ship all their consoles with a new-gen drive (of course where they screwed up is the delays and whatnot). I don't think that the HD-DVD drive will be a huge selling factor for people who don't have any of the new consoles yet, because most people will see it as just another accessory that requires more wiring and time to set up outside the box. The other two consoles don't have to worry about this, because the PS3 already has it's drive of choice in the box, and the Wii isn't going hi-def at all for now.

However I'll bet that people who already own a 360 might see this as a nice upgrade, but the reason to get the addon is to watch movies. I honestly don't know how well these things are selling, but do most people want their consoles to turn into multimedia farms?

So does anyone know how the sales of the HD-DVD accessory for the 360 is doing? I'm wondering if it will end up to be a deciding factor in the format war or not.

Well one thing to consider is that a $500 premium Xbox with a $200 HD-DVD player = $700. That's pretty comparable to a PS3 which has more powerful hardware and a better sales history. Still, the 1 year lead that Xbox 360 has, has really hurt the PS3. Oh, and aren't some Xbox 360 games more than $60? I seem to recall seeing Gears of War for $69.99 at Gamestop...I saved $10 and got the used version. :-P

True about the movies being too expensive though. Doesn't mean it'll stop us ungodly wealthy American's from being morons and buying them. Just look at how much we're willing to spend on the top of the line processor...

Who the fuk spends $1100 on a CPU when they can get a comparable one for 1/8th of that price? I'd understand it if that $1100 CPU wasn't junk (priced at about 1/16th of the cost) in 2 years.

You, sir, are mildly retarded.

Let's check out the prices. First off, your Xbox360 Premium is a coin shy of 400, not 500. 400+200=600. The HD-DVD player is furthermore usable on PCs (I'm using one now, never regretted it). The price of any Blu-Ray reader whatsoever (standalone or plugged into a SATA/IDE port) is MINIMUM 500 bucks (PS3 basic edition). Of course that's a moot point since they can barely plunk 'em out the door because of the feature-overload of the thing. The next closest is a Blu-Ray reader for a computer for 700. $200 or $700? I'll take 200. Furthermore, the copy protection on HD-DVD isn't as terrible, and it's not a Sony product (Beta, UMD, Memory Stick, etc).

Furthermore, no people I know have a "1100" dollar processer, and I live in a filthy-rich, uptight, egomaniacal neighborhood in America, although not by choice. Absolutely no one. Not 1 person. Not 1 person I know even has a computer worth over 1100 dollars NEW. They buy cheap 300 dollar Dells (because they're not tech-savvy).

So this all comes back around to the beginning: you're mildly retarded. This is further accentuated by the fact that you attempted to curse.

Stupid 3 year olds

I'm 3 and you call me retarded. Uh huh. K. You live in a "rich" neighborhood huh? Not by choice? That means you're not even an adult yet buddy. Better leave the insults to your pompous neighbors and not direct them towards those who haven't lived at home in nearly a decade.

How long do you think it'll be before Sony simply produces their own blu-ray reader for cheap? It's not like they don't have several in the works. Please grow up.

As for everyone else, do you think that more DVD space will lead to crappier coding? I'd really hate to see my system requirements go up because software writers can be sloppy with all that space.

to late it has been since the first console incorperated a cd rom then got more so with the dvd rom.

There are also other things i just picked that.

Not a reply to you super,

To the person many pages back that was thinking of joining Green Peace...

You might want to do a little research first. All it takes to join Green Peace is basically having no job and being willing to protest for money.

In Australia I was stationed at a location where the Green Peace protested regularly... When you spoke to the people that were quote Green Peace unquote they were just unemployed vagrants that were told to show up some place and protest and they would be paid $75.00 a day. If you get in trouble and get national coverage for doing something like super gluing yourself to a sign you get more money.

Sounds like a good cause to me.. The best part was they were protesting us for something we were not even doing.

Gotta love the naive...

BOT::BD might have some issues as well with Copyrights. As it turns out the combination of a registered device and a EULA may have impacts on your personal media as well (like videos of your vacation). There was even speculation that since you burn it on ONE device and try to play it back on ANOTHER device that you may have to PAY to register your personal content for the next device (not yet confirmed).

...and the actual greenpeace member's response?

Their response?

Their response was to take their daily $75.00 to the pub and get drunk... How do you think I got to talk to them?

Also, violence was not totally out, since throwing rocks at vehicles which cause a woman to go off the road and hurting herself was OK (true story). Her only problem was she was going to work (she was a secretary). Shame on her for being a secretary she deserved to be stoned :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

One answer: money. Whoever patented the exact disc format you use gets a per-disc royalty. if one "wins" then *all* of those disc royalties go to one company, who pretty much reserves the right to jack that up to just under the level that would arouse too much DOJ suspicion. I'd say that barring an official IEEE/ANSI/ASTM/ISO standard that two competing formats that are both equally well supported (like DVD+ and DVD-) in all players/burners is best for the customers as the companies have to compete for business.

I hope you did not think that Green Peace was a group of intelligent people organizing for a special protest...

Sorry to bring the real world into yours...