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Heres my gaming rig i just recently got 2 weeks ago.

Specs -

Motherboard: ASUS A8N-VM CSM
RAM: Kingston 1 Gig (2x512)
HDD: 40 Gig Internal and Maxtor External 120gig Firewire
GPU: WinFast PX7300 GS (GeForce 7300 GS) 512MB Turbo Cache Support (256MB Onboard)
Optical Drive: LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1633S Dual-Layer
PSU: Extreme Power 600w
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3200+
Case: Blackwidow Gaming Series Case

I've only had it for 2 weeks and i've already been searching for better parts, it'll be early 2007 before i get to upgrade but heres what i plan on.

CPU: AMD Athlon 64 FX-60/ 2.60GHz
HDD: Western Digital Raptor 150GB 10K RPM SATA-150 Hard Drive
GPU: eVGA 512-P2-N572-AR Geforce 7900GTX 512MB 256-bit GDDR3
RAM: CORSAIR XMS 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200)

The only concerns i have with the new hardware i plan on buying, is if my mobo will support dual-core and if the vid card will fit on the mobo.

(Link to the mobo)
http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx [...] =15&l3=210

Feedback greatly appreicated. Espically if i've overlooked a compatability issue in the new hardware i plan on getting.

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Wow..... what a waste of money. The FX chips are totally pointless now since the Core 2 chips came out. Here's what I suggest:

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3

Video Card: If you want to move to DX10 when they come out in 3-4 months time, get an eVGA Geforce 7600GT. If you have no interest in DX10 (at least not yet), then get a 7900GT.

RAM: OCZ Gold 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2-800

Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320GB SATA

This system would destroy an FX-60 computer.

To your question about whether the new video card would fit, yes it will (even in the system I just suggested) because the 7300 you have is a PCI Express card.

Reply to The_Prophecy

Im not talking about compatability card will fit, i know it will fit because the card i got now is PCI-E x16. Im talking about the actual size of the card and as to your intel duo core 2 processor system. Im not a real big intel fan, i know the duo core are pushing some impressive performance but in my opinion so is AMD.

Edit: With the 7900 GTX im planning on getting, it is a very impressive card. Not as impressive as an SLI 7950 GX2. But i agree that ATI card is pushing out some impressive FPS. But as for the intel processor. Im planning on upgrading...not scrapping my entire system about it. Which is what i would have to do if i went the Intel route.

Reply to Michael_Lucian

Your rig is a stinky piece of Ca Ca. But you go ahead and buy it anyways, AMD needs all the money it can get to develop some uber chip that will send massivelly uber pwnage spasms to Intel. Also go with a ATI 1900xt it will pwn your nvidia card. Research my friend or you will waste alot of money. Check out the toms hardware charts.

Reply to AlexIrvine

Btw that system is already bought, im looking to uprgade it. It's a tank compared to my old emachine pc. And as for the research, i've done it and from what i can tell the 3 top contending cards is that ATI, and those 2 GeForce cards i mentioned earlier. Trust me i done alot of research when it came to the upgrading process and bang for the buck. Personally i like the stats the 7900 GTX is pushing out. But i can't deny the ATI is putting out some impressive stats as well.

Reply to Michael_Lucian

Quote :

i know the duo core are pushing some impressive performance but in my opinion so is AMD.



i hate to hurt your feelings but you're wrong, like The_Prophecy said it is a BIG waste of money.

Reply to Assman

go with c2d, even the cheapest ones when oced will outperform fx60

Reply to Assman

But my system isn't built for Intel and personally i've never really liked Intel, i still don't...but im not denying the new processors are pretty impressive. But my system is built for amd, so for my system the FX 60 will be a pretty good upgrade for my CURRENT system.

Reply to Michael_Lucian

your choice, but to me it looks like you have tons of $$$ and you just want to waste it.

Reply to Assman

No no no, i've not a ton of money. Trust me on that, i'll have to buy each peice of hardware to upgrade peice by peice. But i have to look at this way, im looking for an upgrade for the CURRENT system as i've said. Personally it'd be a huge waste of money just to go buy another motherboard just to get an Intel processor, when the system i got is good. Im trying to make the current system better, not build a whole 'nother Intel system. Get what im saying?

Reply to Michael_Lucian

i think what they are trying to say with the money ure goin to waste on the fx-60, u should scrap ure ideas and invest all dat cash on a descent mobo and one of the C2D even if its one of the lower echelon's. itll be worth it i think. if u dont wanna scrap amd then i suggest as u wait and collect 4 the fx pray that amd will come out wit a descent cpu by then.

Reply to diselement

Personally it's all what people perfere, some people are going to like amd better than intel and vice versa. I've always liked AMD and i think it's a good solid processor, however im not going to go out there and go "OMG INTEL IS TEH SUXXORS!! AMD RULES!!! WEEEE!!". I'll admit intel is a good processor, but i've also done my research and while Intel is outrunning AMD, AMD is still right up there with Intel and i think AMD is a good solid processor. So while the intel is good, i still prefere AMD. In the future this might change, who knows? lol.

Edit - Okay okay, performance issues aside and the postpone the great amd vs intel war, lol. My other question has went unanswered, will my motherboard support a dual-core processor?

Reply to Michael_Lucian

Quote :

Heres my gaming rig i just recently got 2 weeks ago.

Specs -

Motherboard: ASUS A8N-VM CSM
RAM: Kingston 1 Gig (2x512)
HDD: 40 Gig Internal and Maxtor External 120gig Firewire
GPU: WinFast PX7300 GS (GeForce 7300 GS) 512MB Turbo Cache Support (256MB Onboard)
Optical Drive: LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1633S Dual-Layer
PSU: Extreme Power 600w
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3200+
Case: Blackwidow Gaming Series Case

I've only had it for 2 weeks and i've already been searching for better parts, it'll be early 2007 before i get to upgrade but heres what i plan on.

CPU: AMD Athlon 64 FX-60/ 2.60GHz
HDD: Western Digital Raptor 150GB 10K RPM SATA-150 Hard Drive
GPU: eVGA 512-P2-N572-AR Geforce 7900GTX 512MB 256-bit GDDR3
RAM: CORSAIR XMS 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200)

The only concerns i have with the new hardware i plan on buying, is if my mobo will support dual-core and if the vid card will fit on the mobo.

(Link to the mobo)
http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx [...] =15&l3=210

Feedback greatly appreicated. Espically if i've overlooked a compatability issue in the new hardware i plan on getting.



7300GS and a 600w power supply. Boy what were you smoking when you ordered those parts......

Reply to enforcerfx

The Video Card although the specs seem low, is a really good card. And the power supply is really good too, im not future proofing my computer here. I have a really good computer.

Reply to Michael_Lucian

IMO, you should upgrade the video card and HDD before anything else.

connect3D Radeon X1900GT: $175 after a $75 MIR:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814142075

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320GB SATA 3GB/s: $95:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822148140

Reply to Flopmouth_Fish

Yeah, im going to upgrade the vid and the ram first off as soon as possible. The hdd isn't that bigger deal just yet, as for the processor it can also wait untill the price drops and whatnot. I got plenty of time to work everything out, but thanks for the input.

Reply to Michael_Lucian

Quote :

I have a really good computer.



:lol: :roll:

Reply to bordy

Considering the pc that i came from, yes it is a really good computer. Just because it's not intel doesn't make it crap, the computer gets the job done and im happy with it. Yes i admit, it can go alot better...but considering my last pc, this thing is a tank. And im lucky i even got the thing, so yeah...it's a really good computer.

Reply to Michael_Lucian

Quote :

Just because it's not intel doesn't make it crap



you are correct there and since you already have a mobo for amd
i would go with the x2 4800.

some people here are not actually intel fans.
they go for what is the best on the market at the time

intel has just regained the cpu crown about 6 months ago
amd had it for a couple of years. some people forget that
or didnt even know it.

amd will probably be the cpu king again and intel will come back
and so on.

Reply to sirheck

If ur an huge AMD fan then u should better choose th 4800+ or the 5000+
cost less and performs almost the same. I dont think ur the kind of man
that has a problem with a 1-5 secons delay.

On the GPU part a 7900GT or a 7950GT would be better than a 7900GTX.
Or even better a ATi Radeon X1900XTX cost 350$ and is better that
both.

Reply to ANimouse

Your motherboard should support dual core ok but an FX60 is way too pricey IMHO, a 7900GTX is a nice card I feel (but then I’m not an Ati zealot) but have you considered the ‘Sli on a stick’ 7950GX2 ?, one of those and an x2 4800+ would more likely give you a bit more ‘pep’ and still leave you with some cash, not a lot, but some.

Reply to mousemonkey

Yeah i want a 7950 GX2 and with the 48 pixelpipeline and 1 gig it's awesome. But thats too pricey right now, although by the time i get enough money for this upgrade it'll be down in price im sure. But to me it looks like the FX 60 is pushing a little better on the charts AMD wise than the regular x2 ones (Socket 939 wise). I might be wrong, just what it looks like to me. And as for the 7900GTX, it looks like a nice card and on the The Best Gaming Video Cards for the Money: October 2006 post it looks pretty good. However the ATI one looks really good, oh well, guess time will tell what i actually get. And again thanks for all your input guys.

Reply to Michael_Lucian

Quote :

If ur an huge AMD fan then u should better choose th 4800+ or the 5000+
cost less and performs almost the same. I dont think ur the kind of man
that has a problem with a 1-5 secons delay.

On the GPU part a 7900GT or a 7950GT would be better than a 7900GTX.
Or even better a ATi Radeon X1900XTX cost 350$ and is better that
both.



LOL, What? I was talking about amdfanboys!

C2D RE5PECT

Reply to Assman

I like AMD's too, they're reliable and they do what they're supposed to do. What more do you need? The X2 4800+ is pretty popular and good, go for it and be happy. Or, you could update to AM2, get a X2 4800+ or something less powerful temporarily and be ready for whatever AMD throws out next :D Either way, if you're happy, you're happy.

I would just get a 7900GT instead of a 7950GX2.

Reply to toasty2

Instead of calling everyone a fan boy and making faces that intend to be posts you should back up your opinions with facts, reviews, benchmarks.
Maybe then youll earn some "re5pect".

Reply to rwaritsdario

Sorry, i didn't know you were so sensitive on the cpu preference topic.

Reply to Assman

hey man, Im just advicing you so people will take your arguments seriously and you look like an "ass".

Reply to rwaritsdario

Quote :

On the GPU part a 7900GT or a 7950GT would be better than a 7900GTX.Or even better a ATi Radeon X1900XTX cost 350$ and is better that both.



Actually a 7900GTX would be better for performance than a 7900GT, and although the X1900XTX does beat the 7900GT and GTX, it may not beat the 7950GT and it uses a LOT of power compared to it's younger brother the X1900XT.

Reply to The_Prophecy

Quote :

hey man, Im just advicing you so people will take your arguments seriously and you look like an "ass".



I appreciate your input

ASSMAN

Reply to Assman

X1900XTX>X1900XT>7900GTX>X1900XT 256mb>7950GT>7900GT
Now the sweet spot in all of this is the X1900XT 256mb because it can be easily overclocked to the X1900XTX speeds :)

Reply to rwaritsdario

if the OP is looking for an AMD upgrade path, then why are so many people are recomending core 2 duo's? this whole thread shocked me. read the post before you try to flame someones computer please.

Reply to HYST3R

Don't get FX60, its a waste of money unless you've got tons to burn.

Get an X4200 if you're on a budget, or get C2D if you don't mind replacing mobo and perhaps RAM as well.

Reply to ethel

Quote :

if the OP is looking for an AMD upgrade path, then why are so many people are recomending core 2 duo's? this whole thread shocked me. read the post before you try to flame someones computer please.



Whos computer have I flamed???

Reply to rwaritsdario

Quote :

Wow..... what a waste of money. The FX chips are totally pointless now since the Core 2 chips came out. Here's what I suggest:

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3

Video Card: If you want to move to DX10 when they come out in 3-4 months time, get an eVGA Geforce 7600GT. If you have no interest in DX10 (at least not yet), then get a 7900GT.

RAM: OCZ Gold 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2-800

Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320GB SATA

This system would destroy an FX-60 computer.

To your question about whether the new video card would fit, yes it will (even in the system I just suggested) because the 7300 you have is a PCI Express card.



I disagree, 60% of proformance on gaming rigs comes from the video card anyways. Sense he has bought himself a 939 already he might as well get the fx55 from newegg for 139$ and then get a flagship video card and he will be able to run most games at 1600x1200 maxed. Dont go with SLi its a waste if you dont go over 1600x1200 in my experience.

Reply to shata

Quote :

if the OP is looking for an AMD upgrade path, then why are so many people are recomending core 2 duo's? this whole thread shocked me. read the post before you try to flame someones computer please.



Yeah these guys are totaly over doing this core2 duo crap the cpu doesnt even do a WHOLE lot for the overall gaming experience. A solid 4000+ or fx55 with 1mb cache will do everything. AND HONESTLY there is no need for dual cores tell me one game that uses it? yeah thats right.

Just buy a flagship video card and you will be a happy camper for the average person.

Reply to shata

Quote :

AND HONESTLY there is no need for dual cores tell me one game that uses it? yeah thats right.



Age of Empires III

Battlefield 2

Battlefield 2: Special Forces

Black & White 2

Call of Duty 2

City of Villains by NCSoft

Peter Jackson’s King Kong

Quake 4

Quake 5 (when released)

Serious Sam 2 by Croteam

The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (on pre-order)

The Movies

Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter

Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six 3

Tony Hawk’s American Wasteland

Vangauard Saga of Heros

World of Warcraft

(RichPLS©)

Yeah that's right

Reply to Assman

First of all, I'm not one to point fingers but this guy just spent a lot of money on a brand new computer to replace his shitty emachine and all you guys can do is bash it,WTF. Some of you guys seriously need to e-poligize, just because he chose AMD over Intel (granted Intel is the better deal atm) doesn't mean he deserves to be talked to like the way you guys are, that's seriously disrespectful and immature.

YOU GUYS JUST NEED TO BACK OFF!

If I had just spent a ton of money on a new machine that totaly rocked my old machine and peeps where making fun of it just because I didn't chose what they would have chosen.. I would be little hurt (try to shrug it off a little but still hurt), wouldn't you?

Everyone has different personal preferences, whether Amd or Intel, Nvidia or Ati, Corsair or Ocz we all choose something that makes us happy. Whatever helps us to sleep at night right?...I'm going to spend $350 on a 1000watt psu because it will make me happy...are you gonna poke fun of that? gg immature peoplez.

Some of us just go for the best of the best reguardless of fanboyism. (I'm going from my favorite AMD to Intel simply because of the price:performace ratio)



Some of us refuse to go the join the enemy just because it's better. Try to think of it like a Battlefield game...

Are you the loser that decides to be a "winner team joiner" (commit suicide and join the winning team)
-- basically switch from fanboy favorite Amd to Intel just because it's a better processor. Are you intel fanboys going to purcase a whole new setup if you found out that the K8L smashes the Kentsfeild??

Are you the underdog joiner (join the team with the lowest score to contribute as much as you can)
--basically keep supporting Amd just because you like them so much and you wanna support them. Or lets say with the release of AMD's next gen processors they take the lead in price:performance ratios again...are you going to buy intel just to say "I have intel" OR are you going to save moeny and go for the better amd processor.

Think of it this way...back in 2002 AMD's processors rocked every single Intel cpu especially the Barton core because of price:performance...and the ability to overclock like a madman...did peeps stay true to Intel..sure...but some of them gave in and bought Athlon XP.

Now ...in 2006 Intel's processors rock every single AMD cpu especially the Conroe core because of price:performance..and the ability to overclock like a madman....are peeps staying true to Amd...sure...but are you going to crucify them because of it...???

Anyways back to the topic at hand:

Quote :

Motherboard: ASUS A8N-VM CSM
RAM: Kingston 1 Gig (2x512)
HDD: 40 Gig Internal and Maxtor External 120gig Firewire
GPU: WinFast PX7300 GS (GeForce 7300 GS) 512MB Turbo Cache Support (256MB Onboard)
Optical Drive: LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1633S Dual-Layer
PSU: Extreme Power 600w
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3200+
Case: Blackwidow Gaming Series Case


TO A

Quote :

CPU: AMD Athlon 64 FX-60/ 2.60GHz
HDD: Western Digital Raptor 150GB 10K RPM SATA-150 Hard Drive
GPU: eVGA 512-P2-N572-AR Geforce 7900GTX 512MB 256-bit GDDR3
RAM: CORSAIR XMS 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200)



For your system upgrade in 2007:
Great choice with the Corsair memory.

As far as the hard drive I would recommend this hard drive over the Raptor....it's pretty much tied with the raptor in benchmarks...and it will save you a lot of money, and it has much more hard drive space.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822148144

Evga is great because If a new gfx card comes out within 90days...you can exchange your current one for the new one.
http://www.evga.com/stepup/default.asp

As far as your processor goes I would go with the FX-60 Toledo if you can afford it. It's a good choice.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103608

Reply to 3lfk1ng

I wouldn't be so quick to tell everyone to back off.

First, I would like to remind you that this forum is mostly enthusiasts. Therefore, most of us have advanced computer systems, and to have mediocre (at best, by today's standards) systems immediately after purchasing them, to most of us is laughable. If you come here with a system, that you just bought, and it doesn't have the latest technology involved, you will get laughed at. It is to be expected.

That is like bringing a rusty Ford Pinto to a Ford Mustang Rally and then asking how good your car looks. Sure, that Pinto may be leaps and bounds ahead of that Chevette you just traded in for it, but it is still....a Pinto.

Second, the OP did not spend a TON of money on his recent purchases. Even at retail, most everything he has purchased is older technology, being at least 1 year on the market, and has long ago hit the price / performance market of even a budget purchaser. There was absolutely NOTHING in his purchase that was top of the line, or even close to that.

Even worse is the fact that what he will be upgrading to NEXT year, will be 1 1/2 - 3 years out of date when he buys it. Therefore, when he purchases it, most of the items he has and will be purchasing will be so obsolete that it will actually cost more to replace anything than it would be if he had gone with better items and newer technology to begin with. For example, to (even though I believe it is the best purchase he will be making) purchase Corsair DDR ram in 2007 for a S939 mobo is considered by many to be a serious waste of money, and a serious lack of futureproofing. That is like pouring money into a house that is dilapidated, and about to fall down.

Even though this sytem seems to be leaps and bounds ahead of his previous system, the OP has still purchased technology that is outdated already and has been for quite a while. The approximately $600-$800 that he just spent could have been spend in a much better fashion, to get much better technology and performance. Even worse is the fact that he is planning on upgrading and putting even more money on it, later. Had he researched better, he would have been able to get better parts, now, for the same, or possibly less money.

I am not surprised at all that he is getting all the retorts.

Reply to Groveling_Wyrm

Quote :

If you come here with a system, that you just bought, and it doesn't have the latest technology involved, you will get laughed at. It is to be expected.



True, but that should be stopped

Reply to Assman

Agreed, but *sigh* that is the nature of the beast, and basically human nature.

Going to a biker rally with a rusty motorcycle, taking a economy car to a sports car event, or heaven forbid, taking a Pentium III computer to a lan party, will all get you ridiculed. It's the way we as humans think.

Reply to Groveling_Wyrm

Quote :

taking a Pentium III computer to a lan party, will all get you ridiculed


LMAO, true

Reply to Assman

Okay, after reading everything (and getting a good chuckle), I'll offer some advice. You can take it or leave it.

I almost wish you would of written a thread about the components you planned on buying instead of wanting to upgrade a computer that's only 2 weeks old. Then again, an A64 3200+ socket 939 is actually over 2 years old. For a little bit more money, you could of gotten the 3700+ San Diego core which overclocks beyond the speed of an FX-55.

An FX-55 is approaching 2 years old. Here. In the computer world, you are talking about a dinosaur.

And the FX-60 dual core is $600. Now, hopefully when you want to upgrade this chip will only be $150. Because anything more would be a waste of money.

Grant it, these chips might be better than what you had but that's not the point. A lot of people are trying to help you make better value purchase in the future. If you want to spend more money on an AMD system that gives less performance than a current Intel system, that's your prerogative.

To answer your questions.

1. The mobo will support dual socket as the specification states it supports Athlon 64 X2. This is short for dual processor.

Here is a list of dual-core processors available at Newegg. Here for standard socket 939 CPU's and here for FX models.

2. The 7900GTX is a waste of money. See my price/perf analysis. Here. As of now, the X1900XT 256MB is the best bang for the buck. In the time you want to upgrade, this chart will completely change as DX10 will be here. And stating that your "gaming" rig has a 7300GS is like saying I just bought a Nintendo 64 and am planning on upgrading to a Gamecube just as the Wii is due out next month.

3. Go for the Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 Perpendicular Drive as mentioned. You can get the 250GB or 320GB version depending on what you need/want.

4. Get the cheapest DDR 400 Ram you can buy. Take a look here to see why. Some DDR 400 value memory can be better than performance memory.

If the FX-60 is still $600 then I would sell your components to recoup some of your cost and use the money to buy a current CPU. You might be able to get a lower model AMD K8L CPU for 2 or 3 hundred bucks, a new $100-$150 mobo and 2x1GB DDR2 800 memory for around $200.

This alone would cost as much as an FX-60 chip. And that's not accounting for selling your socket 939 for something.

People on this forum usually hate to see people wasting their money, which I hate to say it, you did. Grant it, it's your money, but nonetheless, people here have the experience and know what is a good VALUE which is the bottomline.

Reply to purdueguy

Listen, if you prefer AMD then you prefer AMD, it's that simple. It's like trying to convince a Aston Martin owner to ditch it and get a Ferrari.......he has the Aston because he likes it, for whatever reason.

So, everyone here has given this guy C2D advice. Fine. Now he's informed. But if he wants to do AMD, then go away because you made your point.

Now, onto the advice:

-Don't bother with an FX-60, it IS a waste of money. Get a X2 4800 and put the saved $$ into other components that won't go out of style.

-Get the new hard drive.

-Don't bother with the 7900 GTX. Get a 7900 GTO instead.....MUCH cheaper and still GREAT performance if you want Nvidia. If you want ATI, get the X1900XT 256.

-Go with 2 gigs RAM, even if it's cheap stuff unless you plan on overclocking (which I doubt you'd do in this case, it's just not worth it on your system)

Don't let anyone fool you, that would still be a fast system, just not the Ferrari like a C2D. But you won't need that kind of horsepower for a gaming rig anyways, so don't sweat it.

Good luck.

Reply to skyguy

It needs more... cowbell.

Reply to erik_tilton

Quote :

A solid 4000+ or fx55 with 1mb cache will do everything. AND HONESTLY there is no need for dual cores tell me one game that uses it? yeah thats right.

Check the THG Interactive CPU Chart 4000+ vs E6400 COD2 Benchmark

Reply to WR2

I think youre doing just the right thing. Giving it more longevity to your system until Vista and the 65nm processors from AMD arrive.
My recommendations:

X2 4800+ if you arent going to overclock at all ($250 OEM newegg). If you are, get the 4200+ and enjoy!

The raptor X is the best SATA HDD out there but it comes to a great cost. If youve got the money and you care alot more for performance than capacity then get it. But remmber that you can get a Barracuda 7200.10 360GB for $95.

Again my recommendation goes for the X1900XT 256mb, youll find it cheaper if you do a quick search in froogle *hint*

***EDITED***

Dont believe all these C2D crap because its always been the same when a new architecture comes up. Itll all be replaced by K8L :wink:

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