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| Quote : My worst mistake was not that I forgot to connect the power dongle to my 6800 video card, but when I turned the computer on and got that warning tone and I quickly pulled off the side cover and plugged it in with the power still on. My video card was a goner.
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wtf? I had done the same thing in my 6800. I heard the beeping, I immediately knew I forgot to connect the extra power cable, then switched off the pc, connect it and boot up and everything was good. How did you fry yours? scary!!!!!!
My worst PC screw up was 3 years ago when I stuck in a 128mb sd ram stick on a p4 motherboard that supported both sd and ddr ram. There was also a 256mb ddr stick on the board already. Turned on the power switch the pc wouldnt start. I removed the sdr stick and it still wouldnt power up. I swapped the motherboard for a new board i just bought off of ebay for very cheap and tried booting the system up. Same problem. It turned out by mixing in that sdram stick with the ddr already on I fried the cpu and motherboard. Pissed me off because I fried the new motherboard too.
not sure if it counts as screw up...
I worked at a computer shop, which taught me a lot, even tough i knew more than my boss oo, we had this client that complained about his old old computer, bitched that it was always shutting down or failing, that it ran slow and that no matter what we said it was bad and we NEEDED to fix it, becuase since it ran, it MUST had a fix
the thing is , i tested the computer for hours, benchamrked it overnight, it never locked up or anythin, yet the guy kep coming back, for refund/guarantee abou the machine still beeing slow/restarting
the guy was rich, but DIDNT want to buy another one, becuase even tough it was faulty under his eyes, it still worked
what was i to do.??
pry the cpu out from its slot1 while it was on....
the guy happy to proove that the machine was failing, laid down the cash for a new one, convinced that his old one didnt boot anymore, becuase as i explained, capacitors and circutry where starting to fail and this was bound to happen any moment....
<...< my boss was happy to sell the stuff, the client was happy cause now his new machine had no trouble at all, and was convinced his machine died by natural causes....
>...> then no harm done
Swapped out a 366 for a 400 slocket...with the power still on. Smoke.
Took the fan off an X800GT to see what GPU it was...forgot to put the fan back on. (don't ask, I got distracted.) click. dead.
Plugged the floppy power in, it was dark, thought it was in right, Smoke. BIG smoke.
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=)) it`s more like a fry party
| Quote : My worst mistake was not that I forgot to connect the power dongle to my 6800 video card, but when I turned the computer on and got that warning tone and I quickly pulled off the side cover and plugged it in with the power still on. My video card was a goner.
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wtf? I had done the same thing in my 6800. I heard the beeping, I immediately knew I forgot to connect the extra power cable, then switched off the pc, connect it and boot up and everything was good. How did you fry yours? scary!!!!!!
Read the quote carefully. Perhaps he fried his by plugging the cable in with the system power still ON.....
I have to say that this is one of my all-time favorite threads.
Personally, I've only really been into computers for about 1 1/2 years. Until we got DSL (Feb. 2k5), I thought that computers were only for games (Need for Speed, Sim City, and Roller Coaster Tycoon), and the occasional school project.
Anyway, I started getting into computers when my (admittedly refurbished) HP m1050y started randomly shutting down about a year ago. But before I tell that story, I'll tell how I got the computer.
Two months after we got DSL, my computer (Dell Dimension 4400) was totally f^cked up from viruses and sypware. I didn't know about viruses and spyware, because, prior to then, we had never had internet worth using.
My friend's dad (who works for HP) was in town, so I asked him to come by and take a look at my PC. He came by, and suggested that he take it back to Colorado with him. A couple days later, he called, told me what was wrong, and gave me two solutions:
1) A new HDD
2) A new computer
I (stupidly) took the second option, and he found what appeared to be a great deal. It was an HP m1050y media center with the following specs:
ASUS proprietary mobo (915 chipset, I beleive)
P4 540 Prescott (eew; a Prescott)
1GB DDR400
X600 PCIe
250GB SATA hard drive
DVD burner
DVD reader
SoundBlaster Audigy 2
TV Tuner (I never used it, cause we don't have cable)
WinXP MCE 2004 (I think)
A sh!tload of bloatware
HP case
300W Hipro PSU (19A on the +12V rail!)
I beleive it was a refurb, but I'm not completely sure. It was built in June 2004, when Prescott, PCIe, and SATA were just coming out. The quote from HP said $3000, but my friend's dad got it for $625 off of uBid (of course, I had to pay him back for this).
The Dimension 4400 was treated to a HDD reformat, a Windows reinstall, and became the family computer. It, too, has had its share of problems since then (June 2005, which is when I got the HP), but that will be the subject of another post.
I got the HP in June 2005, and it worked fine for a couple of months. However, I was always wondering why this "great new computer" seemed so slow and unresponsive.
Around November 2005, the computer started to shut off randomly. It got so bad that it would turn off 5 minutes after I turned it on.
So I call a friend of my dad's, an electrical engineer from University of Michigan. He comes over, looks at the computer, and says that there's a heat problem. So I ran it with the side of the case off for a while, and that worked, but only for about a month.
The computer continued to shut down, so I replaced the case and CPU cooler, but it didn't make a difference.
Eventually, I just got a new CPU (A64 3700+), motherboard (DFI nF4-DAGF), and power supply (Thermaltake TR2 430 watt). There wasn't anything wrong with the other power supply, but I didn't trust 300 watts to power my system.
This worked for a while, but then the mobo's USB and NIC failed. So then there's the fun of RMAing the board for a new one. I don't want to go into the details, but at least newegg is good with those things.
Finally, more than a year after I first got this POS, it works. I don't overclock, as I'm happy to have this crap working at stock speeds.
Also, since my dad doesn't trust me to fix my computer (I'll thank him for this when he's dying), all the work was done by his friend.
I see this whole computer experience as a mixed blessing: On the one hand, I wasted more than a year and $600+ making this thing work. On the other hand, I learned a lot about comptuers, from websites and forums such as this one.
Here's the cost rundown from this experience:
Original computer: $625
New Case: $50
New CPU: $220
New Motherboard: $80
Shipping Costs: $30
Labor Costs: $250+
Total: At least $1005
I've not had that many screwups, though i've had a few pretty close ones.
First machine i built was a 1ghz duron, i slipped fitting the heatsink and kinda chipped the edge of the core, somehow it still works fine many years later.
Worst non-screwup was funny, in a really bad way.
Was fixing a computer for a friend (he had an off the shelf job) Spent a while fitting a soundcard and cd burner for him, all went well until getting back into windows (Me 8O) and met a fair few BSoDs, so I just went ahead and sorted him an update to windows 2000.
All went as well as expected, everything worked fine, took it back to his place and got it setup. only for a *huge* thunderstorm to hit 2 hours later and kill his machine.
Less noteable: dropping a cheapy dell server down a flight of stairs, somehow it got off undamaged, has been running for 18 months with no issues.
Fitting an Arctic cooling heatsink on a 9800pro, accidentally overtightened the screws. dead.
Weirdest ever was a customer's computer, 20gb HDD, windows Me. Came to me failing to boot about half the time, so I backup the drive and get on with fixing it. turned out the machine had the most fragmented drive I have ever witnessed, less than 10gb filled but was totally fragmented.
So, I got on with defragging, only to have the drive die on the second pass.
Never did find out if it was just weird timing or the defrag that killed it.
No smole or for that matter losing any parts. Just a few really stupid things.
Only one worth noting and that was on this build (the comp i am now).
I had already built a computer before so i was not new to buildming computers, however unlike my last build i decided to do this build in one day on the floor of my basement (which is kinda dark) by just kinda throwing everything together in no real thought out order (and for the most part not reading the mobo manual carefully). Well i get everthing together fine but when i go to hit the power button on the front of my case nothing (read: absolutly nothing) happens.
So i spend my sunday kinda freaked out about why it isnt working (because i built this one with my own funds). I get back to school on moday and some of my computer freinds ask me the standard questions and make the standard suggestions (is the PSU on). One of them asks if the little plugs that go to the on of switch and the power light are connect and i say "yes". So i get back home thinking about what could be wrong and open my case this time looking in it with my flashlight. Then i notice that the connector for the on of switch is in the wrong spot on the mobo. I move that to the right spot and the computer has worked fine ever sense.
7800gt
AMD 3700
Asus A8N-E
160gig Seagate SATA
Cooler Master Centurion
1 gig DDR400 Patriot Mem
Thats worth quite alot back in november 2005 on a teenagers pay (aka almost nothing). Since then i have added a second 250 gig hard drive, an Audigy 2, and another gig of ram. Luckily all of those have gone flawlessly.
no smoke or anything, but a couple of dumb things...
I have an old compaq Presario with a P1 (runnung with a diff hdd) that had a power supply with a bad fan, so I opened it up, and first thing I did was touch the hard drive to move it to get to the PSU... BAD idea, Wound up getting a little shock, and that was the end of that, turned out only needed to be cleaned a little(the fan).
When I built the computer I have now, I started off with a Soyo 875 chipset board. something like I875P dragon 2 black label or somethin, well I ordered a 9800 AIW to go with this board, without checking the website... BAD IDEA, No radeon cards were supported by the motherboard, which I soon learned. I had someone help me out with the build, and he looked and found on the site, it was incompatible. I had never heard of a videocard being incompatible. ALSO, the board wasn't compatible with windows SP2... HOW THE FREAK CAN YOU SELL A BOARD THAT DOESNT WORK WITH WINDOWS???????? so I got rid of the board after not recieving my $120 in rebates and got a DFI lanparty Pro875B which I still have today.
I had an Athlon XP 1700+. I tried to overclock it about a Ghz..... It worked for a minute or two, and now I have it sitting in a collection of dead pentium 1 and duron processors.
me no never i am perfect
oh wait im lying to myself again
Hey, sounds like my story:
First build, read the maunal from front to back, and put my MB in without brass standoffs because ASUS didn't bother to put that in. However, my PC worked for a year until I upgraded my GPU, thinking that the GPU was causing all my game crashes.
I put the new GPU in and had more problems. While working on it, it would turn on by me walking past it! Finally, I hit the power button one more time: a bright light appeared and I thought...oh sh**. Smoke rose from my MB...
it would turn on by me walking past it![quote]
thats a good one, but i believe it lol.
edit; ooppss got that backwards
When I was building my first PC (This one) I didn't know that the motherboard was supposed to be elevated from the case with the standoffs. Every time that I put a new screw in, the motherbord bent terribly. Looks like this is a common mistake, and im glad i decided to give those brass things a try before turning the thing on.
I would probably have done something similar if i hadn't watched Call for Help and The Screen Savers on techTV almost religiously before my first build. Come to think of it i probably would have never started building computers had it not been for that.
This one caused some colourful outbursts.
Built an Athlon system and had everything running great...
Put the case on the floor.. ran fine for a YEAR!
Then one day I dropped a pen off the back of my desk...
as I was trying to reach it I pulled the case forward slightly by nudging the PSU cable... BIG mistake finally revealed.. I had forgotten to put in the screws for the PSU.. snapped HSF retaining clips, radeon 9700 and sound card! :x
Also got a nasty bump when I slammed my head into the bottom of the desk and landed flat on my face as my wheeled chair flew across the room behind me.
| Quote : Well my main screw up would be trying be a Samaritan and work on the work computer, it was running hot so i said sure what the hell ill dust the sucker out and redo thermal paste ect... well when i went to take the HS off well it took the cpu with it.... it was one of those $@@!! did anyone see that. I sat there for the next 20 mins trying to get the damn cpu of the HS, it was a p3 btw. ended up having to take it home and heat up the HS with g/f's hairdryer to get it off, then i saw a few pins were pins were bent, I straighten them up, cool im good to go not a big deal, take it to work set everything up. Damn thing wont post... im like ()*#! i screwed it up, opened up the side of the case look around the p4 connecter wasn’t plugged in, i was like F*&cken hell, i then grabbed the damn thing and plugged it in.... the computer was still on at the time, sparks flew... i then just ripped cable out of the back sat there, and damn near cried... then i put it all together and it started up and is still running fine. I will never touch another work computer if i can help it. Ugh not a good time.
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My dad has chainsmoked at the PC for years. I had to build him a custom case. It uses a 20" x 20" furnace filter on the side with a scrounged fan blade spun by an old 8-track motor keeping the air flowing
Still have to clean out his kb and mouse once a year. Did you know tar can obscure the sensor on an optical mouse? It's a wonder his walls aren't sticky with it!
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Reminds me of a PC death I witnessed... Back when Mac vs. PC wars were going strong in the workplace, it must have been around '01. One of the more vocal PC proponents put together an expensive rig and was taking it down a stairwell to show it off to a team of Mac lovers. Anyway, with a half-flight of stairs left, he started yelling out about his hot new machine and how it was a Mac-killer. Then he lost his footing and that brand new box LAUNCHED out into space. He watched with a horror-stricken face and it bounded down the stairs and landed on the cement floor. He'd used some kind of monster generic server case and the whole front of it was plastic. Plastic bits flew everywhere, one of the doors popped off. He'd custom-made a big aluminum CPU HS and had a big fan on it and all that momentum caused the mobo to break like a potato chip. It was a horrible death and to rub salt in the wound, the most outspoken Mac devotee stood up from his Mac and applauded and then told the PC guy that it didn't look particularly fast. Fanboys can be so cruel!
That is a blow to anyones pride
This one was my first real attemps at building a rig, it was summer 98 of I'm not mistaken and it was the real war between socket7 and slot1, and I was on a budget. I nearly chose socket7 with ALI Aladdin chipset but if anyones remember these, they really sucked (P2 266 beating a K6 450 with these ALI mobo wasnt surprising)... So I chose a Celeron for good overclocking potential and a brand new chipset from Intel : the infamous 820 series... with the SDR onboard convertor because all these 800 series at the time were using RDRAM Module which costed an arm and two legs... (These board were expensive and considered the future of Intel lineup at the time, just to be removed from market after 2-3 months due to the fact the SDR convertor was buggy.)
I was hoping of reaching sky high overlocking with a Celery 466 in that kind of ASUS highend motherboard which had 100 mhz FSB, So I was building the rig in harsh condition, on the basement ground in a dark room... Ideal for first rig
When everything was assembled, I pressed power button and all seemed good, except blank screen lol. After several checkup, I didnt find what the problem was and I Returned to the shop with the computer. They went to the backstore with it and returned after 5 minutes saying "everything is fine now" you can take it back. I said what was the prob and tech guy said "Oh just a little glitche"... I said to myself wtf and went back, ready for some big time Starcraft game. Pressed power button and... Nothing. I was really mad, as these guys said "all is good" and I had no car at the moment, this shop was at about 40 km from home. So I read the ASUS manual from top to bottom, to find explicitly : "CPU Support P2 - P3"... the fucking board didnt even support Celeron nor 66mhz bus, and my overclocking plan was scraped. Not to mention I never returned at that place... I still remember the tech guy smiling and saying that It just booted fine in their backstore...
PS
I Ended putting a trusty P2-400 overclocked to 500.
Brings new meaning to the words, "Read the F***ing Manual." Worst than actually screwing up a build is buying components that aren't compatible with what you have. Wasting money = bad.
I remember when PCIe was first being implemented, I bought a board that supported only PCIe. Me thinks it was a Intel DG board. I accidentally bought a AGP card instead of a PCIe card. Pissed me off that I wasted $120 on an outdated card. I was subjected to the horror that is on-board video.
Moral of the story? Double check your order before you proceed to the checkout.
And don't buy Intel boards. They suck on ice.
Well, I should add that it was on my carpet
with the MB grounded to the case...
Nice. They should just build the standoffs onto the boards. Saves alot of time and headaches.
Well, here's an screw up (not mine)
I have a friend who had a faulty disk, so he gave it to his brother to backup all his data because he was going to buy a new disk, but was too damn busy with college and he didnt had time for the backup.
He calls his brother the next day
Lou(my friend): So, dan, did you finish it?
Dan: err....nope, your HDD is fkd up, it's not on "my pc" and it's not working...
He rushed to his house just to find out that his brother forced the floppy power connector into the master/slave pins on the HDD!
Seriously, I don't know how he could do that......but that's what he tells me
Aftermath: disk burnt.......totally (did I mention data loss?)
This one (borrowd from another forum) was about a guy that was cleaning dust out of his PSU, it was very dusty and he had flu, so he sneezed and a HUGE amount of mucus covered the psu....giving it a one way ticket to the garbage
My only screw up with electronics was when I was 9 or something, I built a classic battery-switch-light bulb circuit with a 1.5V lightbulb, I showed it to everyone til the battery ran out, so when I had to take it to the teacher to show her that it worked and get my grade, the thing didnt work anymore, the battery was depleted, so I borrowd a 9V battery thinking that it would work, to my surprise, the moment I turned it on the bulb EXPLODED, no sh!t xD me and the teacher were O.o!!!
That same year I tried to install an "alarm system" on my house, the instructions showed a square battery and I assumed "oh, it's a 9volt one", I connected it to the battery and a slight burnt smell hit my nose.....a few years later I realized that the square battery was a 4.5 volts one......
Finnally, I must add that I am Mr Conduitivity! xD, one day after a thunderstorm blew my voltage regulator fuse I was going to replace it, when I was putting the new fuse in place I got a discharge, then my arm moved back and touched another regulator and got struck too!! but that's not all, after the second shock my arm moved forward and hit the CPU giving me a 3rd discharge...damn I'm lucky....my hand hurted for 6 hours after that.....
sidenote: my BIGGEST mistake, by far, was having mc affee installed on my pc.....lost it in less than 24 hours with everythng updated and running... either that or that I bough EPSON printers...
Here's one that just happened:
Thinking that I could run my PC a little more passively, I took out some fans. It ran for the past week at a good temperature: 100F and hit a max of 120F at idle (I wasn't gonna do anything except surf the net because of HW). About 10 minutes ago, that temperature shot up to 158F!!!!!
I thought the PC was suppose to shut off at that temp! I set the CPU Temp warning at 140F; obviously it doesnt have that safety feature....
Luckily, it doesn't seem like I damaged the CPU (at least I hope not). Needless to say, I put back the fans...
You should have tried running larger fans with better bearings at a lower RPM if you wanted the quiet effect. Passive cooling is always the cause of many headaches.
Believe me, I know. For me I'd want the inside of my case to remain at 70F to 80F if I want to consider passive cooling.
bump... i love this thread
gracias patoI'm putting the best stories from the screw ups in the THF blog.
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Why are you thanking a shoe???xD
Shoot meant pato...
your mad spanish speeking skillz are rusty xD
don't worry bout that, oh, BTW, nice thread ^^
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Note the irony in a thread he started, dedicated to screwing up
Ditto on the good thread comment
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LMAO!
well, nuff comments, let's leave space for more screwups
Word.
Ok, some 80mm fans come with a regular plug that you plug into the Power Supply and a second plug that you can either plug another fan to or into the motherboard. Well, I forgot to cover all the "unused pins" on one of the fans and when my g/f's sister was yanking on some random cord that was plugged in the same power surge as mine, it somehow rocked the CPU case (while the computer was on) causing the "unused pin" to touch the Chassis, therefore frying the 420WATT power supply! In shock, I put in a 300WATT power supply to make sure it wasn't the case fan with the hanging "unused pins" (as for in the beginning, I did not know it was the "unused pins" from the fan). THANKFULLY, my good ole 300WATT Power Supply had a short circuit protection and shut the computer off, saving the power supply itself. So note, unused pins that dangle from a connected case fan will shorten your power supply if it comes in contact with case!
On other note, the Pentium D and Core 2 Duo heatsinks had me confused on the way the fan mounted. My friend's computer (which I put together), luckily didn't mess up when I figured out (after the computer had been running 24/7 for 3 months) that only 1 PIN WAS ACTUALLY LOCKED!!! I fixed the other 3 pins that lock the CPU fan and saw his CPU temps drop about 10C!!! Thankfully, it didn't fry his computer... else I'd probably end up having to give him my new C2D computer
Then, I made the same mistake (before I saw my friend's CPU cooler not hooked up right) on my new build, but this time, it was only 1 pin. However, my CPU still idles hot. 50C @ 333 x 9. I'm now waiting on my liquid cooler!
I've got a few; none of them particularly bad, thought.
1) Mucking around with my system, late one night... Couldn't figure out why my serial wasn't working; realized it wasn't fully seated. Body reacted before brain engaged, and I pushed it down (unit still powered on). Whoops. Fat blue spark, gold fingers burned off card.
2) While I was working in retail sales (and did the hardware support for the stored), I reversed the connection on power button on a build. Whoops, nother fat blue spark. Got to quickly source out another power button, which was fun. No other damage, though.
3) Not mine but a customer's goof. She brought in her system, said the memory she bought wasn't working. No idea how she did it, but she had it in backwards. Even though there was the notch/key system to prevent it, she had jammed it in there. Take it out, flip it around, and off she went.
4) Another customer bought a 486 DX2/50 processor to upgrade his Packard Bell. He INSISTED on doing the upgrade himself, even though I offered to do it for free. Turns out on his system, the processor was soldered on. When he brought in the unit, he had snapped off about a quarter of the processor by jamming a screwdriver under the corner and prying up. New motherboard was more expensive than a new system.
5) And my last screwup... My first Socket 775 build, just this last spring. Asus MB had a plastic cover over the socket, with a "Remove This Before Installing Processor" sticker. But it wasn't very specific about what exactly I had to remove, so I ended up removing the whole metal hold-down (instead of the plastic cover). Hey, it came off easy! I realized what I had done while waiting for the local computer store techs to troubleshoot it (I brought it in dis-assembled), and they were kind enough not to call me an idiot...
Clint
no offense, but how does a computer tech make that kind of mistake?
stay away from my computer!
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How they managed that.....
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To everyone... the best of the Worst PC Build Screw Ups will be hosted here: DaSickNinja's THGF Blog
Part 2 will be going up later today.
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Which one?
Hey, I was young and foolish! I think that was one of (if not the) first build I did, too. Enough excuses, though.
Clint
After reading your post, I have come to the conclusion that you did little to nothing in the area of research before you bought your parts.
You would be better off letting somebody else build your computer.
hball
Keep it chill bro, don't strt no sh!t on my thread, or I'l break my foot of in your ass Jet Li style.
Post on otherwise...
K, another story, again by the guy named "not me" (see Family Circus)
I was working in a computer retail store <cough>Computer City</cough> (second job while in the Air Force) when a guy came in looking for Wordperfect 6.0.
We had a promo copy on sale at the time and I pointed him in that direction. When he saw the price he was a happy camper (only 199.00) for the full retail version.
The fella took the software home and came back later that evening. He was furious that the software did not work and that it totally screwed up his machine ???. I went over to the counter where he had set his machine. Anyone remember the days of the 3 1/2" floppies? He had stuck the first disk of six into the drive (it went in and down to seat itself on the spindle). When the app asked him to put the second disk in he did. When it asked for what he thought was the third disk he put that in too.... He did say however that the third disk was a little difficult.
You see since the first disk went in and down the second fit quite nicely on top of the first.... The third disk (which it was actually asking for the second disk again) went in at an angle and actually fit upon some manual encouragement. So three floppies in a single disk at one time = one screwed up floppy drive + one screwed up Wordperfect install + one pissed off customer.
Management was nice enough to RMA the Wordperfect for him and give him a new set of disks as long as he purchased a new floppy drive and allowed us to install the app for him. Strangely enough he said YES (go figure)!
PS..
He told me off to the side that he was wondering how he was going to get the rest of the disks in...
And a cute one from "not me" again,
Working at same location as above!! The tech behind the counter was Figuratively and Literally ROFL... I came over to see what he was doing now since the guy was a real clown. He told me that I would "have to take the call for him (line 2)" through his laughter.
On the line was a dear old old grandmother who proceeded to ask me a question.
"What type of boot should I get for my computer...? The neighbor said I need to reboot my computer and I just want to know what kind to get...?"
She actually thought that she needed to buy a boot for her machine and was very confused why it would need one in the first place and which type to get.
I explained to her that he meant to "turn the computer off and then back on again" (this was the easiest way to tell her). That is what we call a reboot.
She laughed pretty hard once she realized what she had just asked.
What the hell. That is why I stopped working at Best Buy. The customers annoy the hell outta me.
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You mean the shop didn't give clinics on how to overclock floppy drives?
8O .... I mean... 8O
I really tried to help the guy out, but to be honest the guy was somewhat STILL being a jerk about "our" mess up...
When he left he basically told me that "I" should have made sure that "he" did not make that mistake.
It was my fault for NOT assuming that EVERYONE is a dork...
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Quote of the day.
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Quote of the day.
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And so will I,
Finally, a partner in laughing at f^ck ups....
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