K8L/Rev G will send intel into the grave

Before I start let me say I've owned pentiums, athlons 32 and 64bit processors. I prefer AMD because in the past their price/performance was awesome and ya the enthusiast/underdog quality of it all as well. However if Intel remains on top by the time I need to upgrade I'd have no doubt in my mind that I would switch cpu's and go with the best bang for the buck once again.

What makes me laugh the hardest is to see all these fanboys on here ranting about how great AMD is or Intel now is again. How all of a sudden AMD is going to go bankrupt because Intel FINALLY got its bloated pos revamped. Or how AMD is going to drag ATI down with it. No offense but what a bunch of idiotic biased garbage.

Look

In 2000
Amd was the first to break the 1ghz barrier with the Athlon
Nov. 20 Intel Introduces Pentium 4 1st new desktop processor

Apr. 23, 2001
Intel Launches 1.5 ghz Pentium 4 Chip design since the Pentium Pro processor in 1995 (if i remember correctly AMD and Intel during the few years to follow went back in forth in performance winners)


2003
AMD launches the Opterons and Athlong 64 processors (taking back the crown not only in performance but in price and not really looking back until now)

2005
AMD Releases the first true dual core cpu's Opterons and A64's

2006
Jan 05 Intel Releases its version of dual core the Core Duo
Aug Intel Releases the Core 2 Duo which retook the Performance Crown (the price battle continues)


Now with that info you can see how the market changes. One releases a product the other counters with one similar or better of their own. However From 2003 til Recent AMD has dominated in all aspect with the A64. Finally Intel has answered. But for all of your lame fanboys out there saying how this is the end of AMD you really have to be blind to history and the patterns. AMD is already planning on releasing the K8L, possibly next year. 1 year away from Core 2 release... even if it was 2 years later its still a hell of a lot faster than Intel's 3 years it took to repond. Or its almost 6 yr old design in the pentium 4 before the Cores releases.

Keeping that in perspective then AMD's 1 or 2 year wait is a lightning fast response in comparison. It also seems to me that AMD's underdog attitude has it doing more innovative things for the market than Intel. Intel has the money but doesn't seem to be very creative from a lamen point of view.

Also the price for performance comparisons for the Core 2's vs the a64's seems skewed to me. If you take it as an overall system it seems to me the AMD based system is cheaper as a whole by far.

Lower prices processors or comparable now
Lower priced motherboards (ranging from the $70-$150)
Lower priced ram

where as the Intel based all I've seen lately
More expensive processors even tho they were promised to be cheaper due to short supply.
motherboards starting at $150 (and those are the supposed just ok boards)
The ram is more expensive as well currently.

Anyways I'm rambling now. As I said in the beginning if Intel continues to put out a great product when its time for me to upgrade I'd go Intel. But I think by that time AMD will have a strong response to Intel in the next year or two. History has shown that AMD faster with its responses and more innovative in doing so as well.

I'll leave it up to the fanboys to pick apart my posting now. I know my info may not be 100% accurate nor am I a programmer or engineer like many of you. Just some common sense when watching the pattern of development between these 2 companies. Also my spelling and grammar may be off as well due to the fact i'm writing in a hurry while working.

Intel will be crushed by amd when K8L comes out it will be 80% faster than intels product!! and will also have 4x4 with 80% scaleing!! i think the future of intel is bleek with a higher cost structure and amd's improved brand. this will do to intel the same thing nvidia did to ati!! intel will die a horable it could not suport it's own wheght. core 2 will be the last arch intel produces. and amd ~= in product offerings.

Before I start let me say I've owned pentiums, athlons 32 and 64bit processors. I prefer AMD because in the past their price/performance was awesome and ya the enthusiast/underdog quality of it all as well. However if Intel remains on top by the time I need to upgrade I'd have no doubt in my mind that I would switch cpu's and go with the best bang for the buck once again.

What makes me laugh the hardest is to see all these fanboys on here ranting about how great AMD is or Intel now is again. How all of a sudden AMD is going to go bankrupt because Intel FINALLY got its bloated pos revamped. Or how AMD is going to drag ATI down with it. No offense but what a bunch of idiotic biased garbage.

Look

In 2000
Amd was the first to break the 1ghz barrier with the Athlon
Nov. 20 Intel Introduces Pentium 4 1st new desktop processor

Apr. 23, 2001
Intel Launches 1.5 ghz Pentium 4 Chip design since the Pentium Pro processor in 1995 (if i remember correctly AMD and Intel during the few years to follow went back in forth in performance winners)


2003
AMD launches the Opterons and Athlong 64 processors (taking back the crown not only in performance but in price and not really looking back until now)

2005
AMD Releases the first true dual core cpu's Opterons and A64's

2006
Jan 05 Intel Releases its version of dual core the Core Duo
Aug Intel Releases the Core 2 Duo which retook the Performance Crown (the price battle continues)


Now with that info you can see how the market changes. One releases a product the other counters with one similar or better of their own. However From 2003 til Recent AMD has dominated in all aspect with the A64. Finally Intel has answered. But for all of your lame fanboys out there saying how this is the end of AMD you really have to be blind to history and the patterns. AMD is already planning on releasing the K8L, possibly next year. 1 year away from Core 2 release... even if it was 2 years later its still a hell of a lot faster than Intel's 3 years it took to repond. Or its almost 6 yr old design in the pentium 4 before the Cores releases.

Keeping that in perspective then AMD's 1 or 2 year wait is a lightning fast response in comparison. It also seems to me that AMD's underdog attitude has it doing more innovative things for the market than Intel. Intel has the money but doesn't seem to be very creative from a lamen point of view.

Also the price for performance comparisons for the Core 2's vs the a64's seems skewed to me. If you take it as an overall system it seems to me the AMD based system is cheaper as a whole by far.

Lower prices processors or comparable now
Lower priced motherboards (ranging from the $70-$150)
Lower priced ram

where as the Intel based all I've seen lately
More expensive processors even tho they were promised to be cheaper due to short supply.
motherboards starting at $150 (and those are the supposed just ok boards)
The ram is more expensive as well currently.

Anyways I'm rambling now. As I said in the beginning if Intel continues to put out a great product when its time for me to upgrade I'd go Intel. But I think by that time AMD will have a strong response to Intel in the next year or two. History has shown that AMD faster with its responses and more innovative in doing so as well.

I'll leave it up to the fanboys to pick apart my posting now. I know my info may not be 100% accurate nor am I a programmer or engineer like many of you. Just some common sense when watching the pattern of development between these 2 companies. Also my spelling and grammar may be off as well due to the fact i'm writing in a hurry while working.

Intel Roadmap - This is as much as I can think of; entries are subject to change:
Conroe-L - Single Core Conroe, 65nm (2006 - 2007)
Penryn - Mobile chip and successor to Merom, 45nm (2007)
Wolfdale - Conroe Shrink, 45nm, 3Mb L2 (H2 2007)
Ridgefield - Conroe Shrink, 45nm, 6Mb L2 (H2 2007)
Millvale - Single Core Conroe Shrink, 45nm (H2 2007)
Yorkfield - Eight Core CPU, 45nm, 12Mb L2 (2007 - 2008)
Clovertown - Quad Core Xeon, 65nm (2006 - 2007)
Bloomfield - Native Quad Core, 45nm (2007 - 2008)
Nehalem - Next Gen "Core 3," 45nm (2008)
Tukwila - Itanium 2, and the debut of CSI, 45nm (2008)
Poulson - Itanium 2, a "major uArch change," according to Intel (2009)
Gesher - Next Gen "Core 4," 32nm (2010)
AMD Roadmap - I really don't know much about AMD's future parts:
Rev. G 65nm Parts - They were supposed to be here by now. Where are they?
Brisbane - Mainstream Dual-Core CPU, 65nm (2007)
Sparta - Entry Level Dual Core, 65nm (2007)
Deerhound - Not sure about this one. May be server K8L...
Bulldozer - AMD's next mobile offering. That's all I know.

if it weren't for amd would you have core? NO!!

core 2 makes networst invitory worthless therefor intel is canabalizing its invetory so that it will have to have lost revanues and profits.
intel has nothing to compeat aganst x2 3800+. where is csi after 5 years is this windows vista. Core 2 is a P3 israily edition + macro ops fusion wich makes it a tad bit less efisiont than amd

well it is not a mac site per say they are a ppc linux site a little difrent but it also showed core 2 beaten by G5 so it has a point.

i mean that core 2 got beaten by both g5 AND Athlon 64 so crapple preforance increaces compared to ppc is ungrounded

Do YOU even know what your saying? Core 2 duo is tearing AMD to shreds in almost every application right now... What are you basing your facts off of?

intel is an evil corperation it does everything in its power to show its infearior chips to be superior to amd superior chips.

how come when intel fanbois come out and chear for core 2 they arent consetred trolls but when amd guys do it they are???

How is this thread not locked, deleted, and burned?

How is this thread not locked, deleted, and burned?

Intel will be crushed by amd when K8L comes out it will be 80% faster than intels product!! and will also have 4x4 with 80% scaleing!! i think the future of intel is bleek with a higher cost structure and amd's improved brand. this will do to intel the same thing nvidia did to ati!! intel will die a horable it could not suport it's own wheght. core 2 will be the last arch intel produces. and amd ~= in product offerings.