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OK I have a question..I recently built a new comp and have been trying to get the most out of it..my setup is a X2 3800 AM2 with the M2N-E MOB..One gig of Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 cas 4 mem..Antec smartpower 500w PSU..Samsung 300 gig sata2 HD..Now here is the problem..I cant seem to get this comp past 2.2.. if I try it wont boot into windows and just restart..So what should i do with this setup?Any ideas as to what kind of clock speeds i can reach with a max 1.95v for mem?the cpu goes all the way to 1.56 or so...thanks for your help.

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I can't really think of anything. The 3 things i can think of are that your case is really hot, you got a duff CPU or your motherboard is just not designed for overclocking.

Reply to quantumsheep

CPU idles at 40c the MOB at 36c...so its not to hot..The MOB is suppose to be a good Ocer so i dunno..Im going to RMA the MOB and get a epox or dfi

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CPU idles at 40c the MOB at 36c...so its not to hot..The MOB is suppose to be a good Ocer so i dunno..Im going to RMA the MOB and get a epox or dfi



DFI are great overclockers, you should be fine witth that. I have never had any experience with an epox though.

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OK I have a question..I recently built a new comp and have been trying to get the most out of it..my setup is a X2 3800 AM2 with the M2N-E MOB..One gig of Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 cas 4 mem..Antec smartpower 500w PSU..Samsung 300 gig sata2 HD..Now here is the problem..I cant seem to get this comp past 2.2.. if I try it wont boot into windows and just restart..So what should i do with this setup?Any ideas as to what kind of clock speeds i can reach with a max 1.95v for mem?the cpu goes all the way to 1.56 or so...thanks for your help.




Check your DDR2 speed and HTT to make sure those are not holding you back. I bet your HTT multi is still at 5X, you should lower it to 3X or 4X.

You should always underclock your mem and HTT when trying to find max CPU overclock because they can hold you back if they are getting to high.

Reply to RobsX2
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Your going to RMA your mobo because you cant get your cpu to run faster?? lol. Thats why places like newegg keep raising their prices cause of people like yourself.
It doesnt matter what board you get, you'll likely never get it stable at 2.4.
Be happy with what you paid for. If you wanted a faster cpu, you should have bought a faster cpu.



How bout posting something helpful that might help him OC higher instead of being the bitch that applies to your user name :roll:

You probably dont have a clue either.

Reply to RobsX2

Yeah your post was not helpful at all, people dont post on these forums to get flamed, they are looking for advice. Honestly hes making a good decision, if he wants to overclock he needs a more overclocker friendly board. I have an AM2 3800X2 overclocked to 2.2 on the stock heatsink and fan. He is definatly not hitting the cap of his overclocking ability with that cpu, unless he just got a bad apple out of the bunch. When my Zalman fan gets here in the next 2 days im going to take my 3800 to 2.4 ghz. Thats what these forums are all about, taking your computer to the limits and getting the best performance out of it, and as forum posters we should be giving the best advice we can to help the guy out.

Reply to BrockSampson
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Yeah your post was not helpful at all, people dont post on these forums to get flamed, they are looking for advice. Honestly hes making a good decision, if he wants to overclock he needs a more overclocker friendly board. I have an AM2 3800X2 overclocked to 2.2 on the stock heatsink and fan. He is definatly not hitting the cap of his overclocking ability with that cpu, unless he just got a bad apple out of the bunch. When my Zalman fan gets here in the next 2 days im going to take my 3800 to 2.4 ghz. Thats what these forums are all about, taking your computer to the limits and getting the best performance out of it, and as forum posters we should be giving the best advice we can to help the guy out.



Until he checks his HTT and Memory speeds he does not need to RMA that board. I just dont think he realizes that those can be limiting factors in your overclock.

You should always lower your ram and HTT settings when finding max OC on cpu to eliminate those factors holding you back!

Reply to RobsX2

Hey mrebytch "READ HERE"

http://vip.asus.com/forum/topic.as [...] uage=en-us

This is why I RMAed it..plus asus is no help..All people that have this mob have the same problems crappy bios no sound it wont boot no support same email replys to all that need help from asus! would you keep a mob that does that?I didnt think so!!! oh buy the way i did use the recomended memory and such so dont try it partner..The only asus mob i would buy would be the m2n32 sli delux..Hey thanks Brock for the back up..This Bytch is insulting alot of people that are using the x2 3800... Most get speeds up 2.8 with no problems with differant MOBs..

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Hey mrebytch "READ HERE"

http://vip.asus.com/forum/topic.as [...] uage=en-us

This is why I RMAed it..plus asus is no help..All people that have this mob have the same problems crappy bios no sound it wont boot no support same email replys to all that need help from asus! would you keep a mob that does that?I didnt think so!!! oh buy the way i did use the recomended memory and such so dont try it partner..The only asus mob i would buy would be the m2n32 sli delux..Hey thaks Brock for the back up..This Bytch is insulting alot of people..

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Did you ever check your HTT and mem settings? I have an ASUS A8N5X and it has been nothing but awsome to me! Good overclocking and simple bios!

I got my Sandiego 4000+ stable at 2.9ghz and I recently purchased a X2 4800+ and its sitting rock solid at 2.7ghz on air. 8)

Reply to RobsX2

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Yeah your post was not helpful at all, people dont post on these forums to get flamed, they are looking for advice. Honestly hes making a good decision, if he wants to overclock he needs a more overclocker friendly board. I have an AM2 3800X2 overclocked to 2.2 on the stock heatsink and fan. He is definatly not hitting the cap of his overclocking ability with that cpu, unless he just got a bad apple out of the bunch. When my Zalman fan gets here in the next 2 days im going to take my 3800 to 2.4 ghz. Thats what these forums are all about, taking your computer to the limits and getting the best performance out of it, and as forum posters we should be giving the best advice we can to help the guy out.



Until he checks his HTT and Memory speeds he does not need to RMA that board. I just dont think he realizes that those can be limiting factors in your overclock.

You should always lower your ram and HTT settings when finding max OC on cpu to eliminate those factors holding you back!I have already done that..I even put HTT. 1x mem to 533 and adjusted the vdimm and vcore..It just wont work dunno if its the CPU or what but i know one thing..this mob doesnt support OCing very well since the bios has very little mem adjustment..cant do much with max 1.95v for dimm..

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Yeah your post was not helpful at all, people dont post on these forums to get flamed, they are looking for advice. Honestly hes making a good decision, if he wants to overclock he needs a more overclocker friendly board. I have an AM2 3800X2 overclocked to 2.2 on the stock heatsink and fan. He is definatly not hitting the cap of his overclocking ability with that cpu, unless he just got a bad apple out of the bunch. When my Zalman fan gets here in the next 2 days im going to take my 3800 to 2.4 ghz. Thats what these forums are all about, taking your computer to the limits and getting the best performance out of it, and as forum posters we should be giving the best advice we can to help the guy out.



Until he checks his HTT and Memory speeds he does not need to RMA that board. I just dont think he realizes that those can be limiting factors in your overclock.

You should always lower your ram and HTT settings when finding max OC on cpu to eliminate those factors holding you back!I have already done that..I even put HTT. 1x mem to 533 and adjusted the vdimm and vcore..It just wont work dunno if its the CPU or what but i know one thing..this mob doesnt support OCing very well since the bios has very little mem adjustment..cant do much with max 1.95v for dimm..


Oh well, sorry it didnt work out for you. Better luck with a diff motherboard.

Reply to RobsX2

WHat MOB are you using for the X2?Is it AM2?Im looking for a good MOB and i was recomended the Epox 570 sli..

Reply to detpower

dont know if this is going to hepl matters but ive heard that the 570 chipset is no where near as good as the 590 chips. that could be why ur hitting a low max FSB.

try lowing ur multiplyer all the way and then raising the FSB as high as u can. finds out the limits of the board and not the CPU.

Reply to dougie_boy

the board doest like anything over 220..

Reply to detpower
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WHat MOB are you using for the X2?Is it AM2?Im looking for a good MOB and i was recomended the Epox 570 sli..



Im on socket 939 and I since I just built this rig this past summer and its my first build ever I just dont want to part with it. I upgraded from the Sandiego 4000+ to a X2 4800 to hold me over for a couple more years since Vista and games next year will be truely taking advantage of dual cores.

The sandiego 4000+ overclocked to 2.9ghz for me on air with ease and is a fine processor but I realize that if I dont grab a dual core now I might find myself having a hard time later on this year since they are being discontinued.

Right now I have gotten the X2 4800 rock stable at 2.7ghz on air which is not bad considering the extra heat they put out. Im sure my Artic Freezer Pro 64 helps alot. 8)

Reply to RobsX2

WHat motherboard are you using with your new x2?

Reply to detpower
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WHat motherboard are you using with your new x2?



Asus A8N5X.

Reply to RobsX2
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You wanna know something really crazy? I have crucial ddr 400 value mem in my system and not too long ago I put some memory heat sinks on them just for kicks.

Well believe it or not but I have them mem running at 494mhz with no errors according to mem test.

Timings are 3 3 3 5 and voltage is 2.9v.

Reply to RobsX2

First of all you cant put Jet fuel into a Car it would melt the engine lol..Also it wouldnt make that car go faster just run hotter for about 3 mins and blow up..DO you know how stupid that sounded to an AutoTech..Dont talk cars if you dont know what your saying..I dont know why people like you post because all you do is cause trouble that isnt needed...By the way did you read the link i posted?Did you actually read post at Asustek?I didnt RMA the MOB just because it doesnt OC well there are more problems than that...Also why do companies make OCing board s for???Hmmm mabe because people OC CPUs!Thats why people Bought AMD in the First plac

Reply to detpower

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Your going to RMA your mobo because you cant get your cpu to run faster?? lol. Thats why places like newegg keep raising their prices cause of people like yourself.
It doesnt matter what board you get, you'll likely never get it stable at 2.4.
Be happy with what you paid for. If you wanted a faster cpu, you should have bought a faster cpu.



How bout posting something helpful that might help him OC higher instead of being the bitch that applies to your user name :roll:

You probably dont have a clue either.

well this is one time rare that it may be that i have to agree 100% with mrsbythch and as far as being helpful why would people want to help someone like that for?

Reply to icbluscrn

OK I would like to apologize if i have offended anyone..These post are getting out of hand..

I would also like to thank those for defending me and being helpful..Im not here to argue..Im heare to learn and make friends not enemies...

Reply to detpower

Hi, DET.

I find that people trying to tell him "you should've gotten a faster processor" is total BS. Of course all processors do not OC the same, but this particular chip is known to get very high speeds and it is odd why he is getting such a low OC. He wants help to get higher, not someone telling him to return it. Jeez. Now that that is out of the way:

Have you updated the BIOS? I hear that doing that can cure some problems...

Your temperature is rather high for idle. 40C? That is a load temp for some people on air. What cooler? I'd reseat the CPU w/cooler. Make sure to get the thermal paste nice and thin.

The DFI Infinity AM2 board hits 400+HTT if you have already RMA'ed the board. Proven chipset, amazing manufacturer, and some of the best support of mobos.

Good luck!

~Ibrahim~

P.S. No need to apologize. THEY should be apologizing, not you, mate.

Reply to ikjadoon

Maybe this will help?
http://forums.anandtech.com/messag [...] erthread=y

It seems that may people are have trouble with this board

Reply to CaptianCapitalist
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Hey I put helicopter fuel in my honda civic and it only goes 142 miles per hour. What wrong? Can someone help me figure out why it only went from 130 to 142 mph?

Thats about as ignorant as his post sounded. My reply wasnt meant to be helpful, it was meant to be realistic. If you wanted a processor that ran 400mhz faster, you should have bought one.

You go into overclocking HOPING you can squeeze some more megaherts out of it, you dont go into it EXPECTING to get 5000+ speed from a 3800+.
As far as rma'ing the board because it doesnt go as high as you expected. Thats completely ignorant.



This post only further proves what a bitch ass asshole you really are. You are not interested in helping anyone and your attitude sucks ass. I agree with the guy that his chip should have been able to overclock a little further than what he got out of it.

Reply to RobsX2

Well i already RMAed the MOB so im going to be looking for a good overclocker this time..SO 40c is hot?Maybe because i was using the stock fan and Heatsink..Since we are that topic i need to to this right this next time..SO lets see the that DFI MOB is good?SHould i get the arctic silver?WHen i put the heat sink on does it need to be perfectly centered?I really need some help picking out a MOB since I am a noob..Only a week into comps so..plus i have little funds left and i want the best gamming rig for the money..I noticed the DFI is only nforce 4..would it make a differance if i get a 590 series instead?I cant really spend too much..I was told to get the Epox 570 sli and that it was a great MOB but somone also said dont get so im going crazy with all this get dont get stuff..

Reply to detpower

You just rolled snake-eyes on the OC crapshoot. My Opty 170 won't OC for crap either. It's not my board or my ram. Not all cpus overclock well.
Them's the breaks.
Sorry.

Reply to GherkinPekul

All right.

The DFI INFINITY NF ULTRAII-M2 is an excellent overclocker. If you get this board, it won't be the motherboard that is holding you back with overclocking. Make sure you check out this thread: DFI Street Thread. 40C is rather hot for idle, as mentioned. With stock cooling, which is GREAT, you should be getting mid to high 20s for idle, 40ish for load, 50ish for an OC'ed load. Arctic Silver helps, but Zalman paste is better. Not perfectly centered, but as close as you can get without popping out a ruler.

Yeah, the DFI mobo is nForce 4, but it is a proven chipset and is guranteed to OC great. I haven't heard much about the OCing of other chips...

Check out these charts:

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/am2%20rd580_08150610833/12838.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/am2%20rd580_08150610833/12839.png

nForce 5 versus nForce 4 is pretty much only going to get you a few new features, some more SATA ports, and one less IDE port. Your call. It may not seem this way, but I'm not biased toward either chipset. Both are good, just saying that the DFI is a great OCer.

~Ibrahim~

Reply to ikjadoon

Wow thanks alot..the best part is its really cheap too...maybe i will pick this up.. the only reason i asked that is because i want the best performance from a motherboard as possable...As for my temps they were pretty bad then huh?Is it because i used the paste that was on the heat sink?ALso should i buy a chipset cooler if i go with this MOB?

Reply to detpower

Ok i think im going to buy the MOB right now..I have just one question before i buy it..I have the Corsair DDR2 800 cas4 mem..will this be a problem or should i be good to go?

Reply to detpower

That should work great. Looking at the parts, everything should work!

Now, are you sure about this? I don't want you to rush into this quickly and get buyers remorse or anything. DFI is releasing nForce 500 chipsets within weeks, their 590 SLi board has debut, the lower end models shouldn't be far behind. DFI is a great brand for overclocking.

~Ibrahim~

Reply to ikjadoon

Well I know i want dfi because i have heard so many good thing about them and how they OC well so..As for buying the MOB should i wait?WHat chipset would you recomend?SHould i wait for the 500 series?

Hey does any body have any info on these steppings?

LDB4F 0622WPAW... this is on my CPU

Reply to detpower

Do you know when the 570sli MOB is suppose to come out?

Reply to detpower

Now that is the bad part. Nobody really knows. Since the highest board has already been released, the others should follow within a week or two, three tops. DFI wouldn't release just the high board and wait a month for the middle-end. Their high-end board kicks some fricking a$$, I can't wait for the 570U/SLi versions!

~Ibrahim~

Reply to ikjadoon

Ya thats 590sli is awsome...I wish i could afford that MOB..man i dont want to buy the infinity if a new lanparty 570 sli is going to come out in a week or two...But then i dont want to wait for a long time either..

Reply to detpower

Exactly. I mean, you already have all the parts ready and there a few good mobos out already. But even better ones are coming in one or two weeks. Life isn't fair!

Tuff call..I don't know what I would do in that position. I might wait, but it must be tantalizing just looking at all those parts, just waiting...

~Ibrahim~

Reply to ikjadoon

It is lol..They are saying come on..Just get the DFI infinity..you know you cant wait for the new 570 SLIs..Its diving crazy..I know i will be happy with the infinity but i know i will regret it if the board comes out a couple days later..SO im trying to find out the relese date and price..do you think it will be in the 130 range?

Reply to detpower

lol...

Well, that is the thing. It might be two weeks or two days....I checked DFI Street and they have no idea...Pricing should be in that range. The 570 Ultra for sure, possibly the 570 SLi. DFIs nForce4 non-SLi boards could be easily modded to SLi, maybe it will be the same with these.

~Ibrahim~

Reply to ikjadoon

So nforce 4 isnt differant than the 5 series chipset in performance?

Reply to detpower

What to do:/..Well let see im not going to run SLI since i only can affored my x1800xt and i only have one HD and one DVD/RW..Im limited to 2.8 gh with my cpu so i wondering if it is worth the wait..

Reply to detpower

Performance-wise, they may be slightly faster, I don't have any direct apples-to-apples compairison, but the difference, if any, would be small, i.e. <7%.

They only appear faster because they are using newer and faster hardware on the motherboard. Chipset upgrades almost always just mean more features, like 6 USB ports over 4 or GBe LAN over 10/100. A few software things such as LinkBoost are present, but they aren't huge. They can hardly be called icing on the cake. More features is it.

~Ibrahim~

Reply to ikjadoon

I...... couldnt do it..I... couldnt wait..I...I..I just Bought the DFI infinity lol..Anyways i know the chip set runs hot so i wanted to know if these chipset coolers are any good and what would you get?

http://svcompucycle.stores.yahoo.net/rt-ucl-l4u1.html

or this 0ne

http://svcompucycle.stores.yahoo.net/ec-vc-rd.html

and

http://svcompucycle.stores.yahoo.net/hr-05.html

or this

http://svcompucycle.stores.yahoo.net/cl-c0034.html

and finally this

http://svcompucycle.stores.yahoo.net/vc-re.html

Reply to detpower

It is fine and now you have an entire forum of DFI users to help you with any problems you have. (Don't take that the wrong way. I'm still going to help you, just saying if we guys at TG can't do it, DFI has some real gurus.)

Well, the second and the last ones you mentioned are actually GPU chipset coolers. Otherwise, they rest all look good to me. That Cooler-Master looks great, but I don't have any performance benches on it. The Vantec Iceberg is good.

I know for a fact, though, that the Thermalright HR-05 cooler fits and works great. I'm slightly short on time...Look through this thread for some chipset cooler recommendations:

DFI Infinity Ultra II-M2 Discussion Thread

I give my nod to the Thermalright, but Google Reviews for each of the coolers. You could also post in the above-mentioned thread, if needed.

~Ibrahim~

Reply to ikjadoon

OK i just bought the Evercool VC-RE along with some Zalman ZM-STG1 Super
Thermal Greas for the cpu..I think the Evercool should be good for now right?..

Reply to detpower

as someone how has a 3800 X2 albeit a 939socket, i have had two overclocks on it, on the DFI board i previously had i was able to push it to 2.5ghz for about 10mins then it crapped so i backed down to 2.4ghz and it ran rock solid. Well i was running an X700 from abit and well the card shorted out and friend the PCI-e lane to where it won't reconize vid cards. Fortunately i had a back up board in the form of a BFG board which is also a Chaintech VNF series, which board is rock solid from the get go, but i am not able to OC beyond 2.1ghz on this board. So in my experience yes this 3800 can push beyond 2.4ghz, and yes it might be the mobo.

For the record, i am using a stock heatsink on all my OCs

Reply to crazypyro

Excellent! They both are good choices and I know many DFI users have had great success with the Evercool and that Zalman paste is hands-down amazing.

@wusy

I'm not a person who would actually need SLi, but the mod seems kind of fun.

Oh really? So it has been changed some from the previous boards? Hopefully, it'll be just as easy.

I actually saw some boards where nVidia or the maker actually put some stuff on the chipset to stop someone from modding it, glad they didn't this time.

Can't wait for those boards!

@crazypyro

I was browsing some forums about the M2N-E and have found out that is certainly does not share the OC skills of its brother, the M2N32-SLI Deluxe. Rather crappy OC's, actually.

2.4Ghz on stock is not bad at all, good job!

~Ibrahim~

Reply to ikjadoon

Hey guys i wanted to ask another question..Can or should I apply Zalman paste to the chipset or do i just leave that with no paste?

Reply to detpower

OK so Zalman paste is a no for chipsets?WHat shloud i use to clean off the old paste..can i just wipe it away and apply the new paste?

Reply to detpower
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