"Intel's Worst Nightmare"

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I think Ruiz needs some cheese with that whine.

Great find. Very interesting article. It would not surprise me one bit if Intel struck exclusionary deals with companies.

You need to know the meaning of MONOPOLY

For those 10-year-old fanboys out there that may not know (I posted this and before you added your sarcasm post) here's a definition...

MONOPOLY:
"Main Entry: mo·nop·o·ly
Pronunciation: m&-'nä-p(&-)lE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -lies
Etymology: Latin monopolium, from Greek monopOlion, from mon- + pOlein to sell
1 : exclusive ownership through legal privilege, command of supply, or concerted action
2 : exclusive possession or control
3 : a commodity controlled by one party
4 : one that has a monopoly "

From: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/monopoly

You need to know the meaning of MONOPOLY

Monopoly my butt. Just because a company is successful at making more money, like Dell, Microsoft and Intel, these companies would get a accused of monopoly because waahhhhh AMD wants a larger piece of the pie. If it wasn't for Microsoft, where would your office programs be today? Dell is very succesfully at selling computers and Intel has brought the computing industry this far. People complain about them being too big. They have boost the economy and provided 100K+ jobs for a lot of people. Their research have taken the industries in leaps and bounds. AMD suprise suprise did not get this far by themselves. Intel gave them licensing rights to copy Intels designs. AMD, just made in the last 2yrs a better processor with borrowed former Intel employees. Thus begins the competition. Stop pointing fingers and sit back and reap the rewards of better processors and cheaper prices. I knew Intel wasn't going to sit on their donkey forever and take it. Neither will AMD. They are just too small. They will need to grow with more resources. Putting more fabs will help them. Buying ATI right now was a stupid move especially with Intel success with the C2D. I don't think Intel is going to look back. AMD might be in trouble.

true, companies just want more money... intel has been doing a good job at what their doing, its called competition. i doubt the court would favor AMD

Great article. Good find.

It is a little suspicious how AMD's 21% market share in 2001 suddenly just disappeared. At the time, AMD had very competitive products. It wasn't until the P4 Northwood that Intel had a processor that could compete with AMD's AthlonXP. Northwood was intro'd in mid 2003 if I remember correctly.

But Ruiz is right, the only thing stopping Intel from destroying AMD is this lawsuit. Intel has to be really careful in how it deals with OEM's until this lawsuit is settled; which won't be for at least a few more years...

You need to know the meaning of MONOPOLY

Monopoly my butt. Just because a company is successful at making more money, like Dell, Microsoft and Intel, these companies would get a accused of monopoly because waahhhhh AMD wants a larger piece of the pie. If it wasn't for Microsoft, where would your office programs be today? Dell is very succesfully at selling computers and Intel has brought the computing industry this far. People complain about them being too big. They have boost the economy and provided 100K+ jobs for a lot of people. Their research have taken the industries in leaps and bounds. AMD suprise suprise did not get this far by themselves. Intel gave them licensing rights to copy Intels designs. AMD, just made in the last 2yrs a better processor with borrowed former Intel employees. Thus begins the competition. Stop pointing fingers and sit back and reap the rewards of better processors and cheaper prices. I knew Intel wasn't going to sit on their donkey forever and take it. Neither will AMD. They are just too small. They will need to grow with more resources. Putting more fabs will help them. Buying ATI right now was a stupid move especially with Intel success with the C2D. I don't think Intel is going to look back. AMD might be in trouble.

OK... i did some thinking. For the sake of argument, let's take 3 major technology segments and compare the innovation of each from the past 5 years. The comparison's will be made to Windows XP.

Since 2001, performance of desktop CPU's has quadrupled. We've gone from single core to dual core processors. Go compare a 1.4Ghz Thunderbird (which was the best processor in 2001) to a Athlon FX 62 in the CPU Charts on this site.

Since 2001, broadband speeds have also quadrupled. In 2001, the average DSL line speed was around 384kbps. The max was 640kbps in most areas. For Cable, AT&T Broadband had 1.5mbits. In 2006, we have DSL speeds well over 1mbits (some city has 10mbits now) and most major areas with cable internet are at 6mbits. Better yet, prices have either dropped or gone unchanged since 2001.

In 2001, most of us were talking on monochrome Nokia and Motorola phones. They were incapable of browsing the internet, incapable of playing MP3's, only a couple phones had cameras, and virtually all were incapable of doing anything except talking on. These days the majority of phones have cameras, EVDO, music capabilities, and a slew of other things. And let's not forget about the blackberry explosion.

In 2001, we had the GeForce 3 and the first ATI Radeon. On the 3DFX side we had the Voodoo3. Since then, graphics power has quadrupled. We went from video cards with 64MB of RAM to 512MB of RAM. and 256MB is standard these days. While I'm on the subject... we've gone from SDRAM that runs at 100mhz to 266Mhz (or 533Mhz DDR) standard in every machine. Hell, Athlon64's are at 400mhz (non-DDR) now! Bandwidth is through the roof.

In October 2001 we had Windows XP. In August 2006, we have... uhhh... Windows XP. And when is Vista coming? The latest I heard was a possible SECOND HALF release in 2007. At the earliest Vista won't be released until Jan 07, which seems very unlikely to me. 6 f'ing years for a new operating system. 6 years. I simply can't wrap my mind around it.

If this isn't a prime example of why a monopoly is bad, I don't know what is. It's ridiculous that the entire world is on hold for Operating System innovation. And why is it on hold? Because Microsoft has a god damned monopoly. You know damn well that if M$ had a company to compete against (like Intel has AMD), we'd would have been running Vista over 2 years ago. And let's not even get started on Internet Explorer. When was IE6 released? Oh yeah... back in 2001 too. Only when firefox threatens market share does M$ bother to do any serious work on IE7. Meanwhile we've got linux fighting for it's life and trying to tell the world "look at me, I'm better!" And it IS better. Linux has come such a long way since 2001. How far has Windows XP come since 2001? 2 service packs? Wow.

One more parallel- all the above mentioned tech segments (with the exception of OS's) are all very competitive.

is it really so surpising that AMD market share in the mobile sector in japan dropped out? AMD has had good processors... but it does not have a good platform solution like Intel's centrino platform which showed up somewhere in the middle of that period. Intel has always made and still makes better laptop technology. Part of the reason is because it makes its own chipsets/video/wifi/...you name it. What does AMD have to do? spit out a cpu then wait until someone starts supporting it. They clearly indicated that they want ATi to be competitive in the platform market. They didn't want to rely on other companies for support of their cpus. With ATi they can now coordinate their own competition to Intel's all around solutions.

IMO Intel beat them in Japan because they started shoving PIIIs and then Pentium Ms (essentially sidestepping the disastrous HeatBurst P4s) into laptops making for better, power efficient, coordinted solutions than the Athlon, allowing production of tiny laptops which the Japanese seem to love.

[yes this is a simple view of it, but do admit that Intel ushered in the era of good mobile solutions in that time period]

They DID invent the WGA though........Ingenious, no?

As far as you know. How many businesses do you really think are honest? Business is just like politics, and used-car sales....dishonesty is a necessity to thrive in these.

Lets face the truth, every biz mans dream is to monopolise the market, even the fish n chips man at the corner is dreaming of a day when everyone would come to him for fish n chips. BS lawsuite :!: :!:

Completely Bull s**t, no one forced me to buy my chip and i dont need anyone to make a law suite for me.

Eggs-actly

This is just the well too known case of a drowning man grabbing at floating straw.

hmm, you know i find this odd. what i find odd is that when discussing market share we here on the forum's act like we matter. if you look at what we discuss and look at alot of the comps people have you see we are not normal.

market share refers more to mainstream than us. therefore to argue over wether a better product decides market share is pointless. the average person does NOT know or care about performance per se. they buy what they are sold so to say intel is where it is by virtue of performance or fair practice is very naive.

the average person very likely does not do anything that requires a good proc so it does not matter which one is put in a machine. what does matter though is that consumers know a product best. intel is shoved down their throats through advertising and IMO most importantly shop staff. if you shop for a comp you most likely see itel chips and info saying how clock speed is most important.

how many times do you see your average sales person saying "oh don't buy that it has an intel inside you should build one yourself with and AMD chip"

the answer is never. if anyone and i mean anyone says that the reason for this situation is becasue of fair practice and good products then they are lying or very, very stupid.

Edit: just had a thought. who here believes if you filled a shop with half amd comps and half intel and had no biased sales staff, that amd would still only get 20% market share. i don't. i think it would come out at 50% or maybe in AMD's favour. just wondering if anyone else would agree.

I'm sorry, I don't usually get nasty... but that is an incredibly ignorant statement. As for the rest of your post, it's also very misinformed.

You DO realize that Microsoft has done VERY LITTLE inventing in its history. M$ is good at stealing tech and then licensing when a court battle is on the horizon. They're also very good at buying companies they steal tech from as a way of "settling" lawsuits. The only thing M$ has that's worth a damn is an experienced and intelligent legal team.

M$ did not invent the office suite, they didn't invent the word processor, they didn't invent the spreadsheet, and they sure as hell haven't contributed anything useful to the office application market. For the past 10 years we've had the same farking office productivity software. Word, Excel, Outlook, and PowerPoint. And the ONLY thing that gotten progressively better is Outlook. Since Office 2000, M$ has gotten nowhere in terms of innovation. It's all the same shi*t. And there isn't a SINGLE thing that M$ office does that OpenOffice/StarOffice can't do. NOT ONE.

Ugh... I feel dumber having read your post. I usually just ignore retarded posts like yours... but for some reason I can't ignore this one. Not even BM is as ignorant as you are. Please, for the sake of everyone's IQ, please don't post here again.

Nothing else i can say other than....

OWNED!

Why don't you guys just get a room. You know you're just jealous of me. You won't see ME mention you in a thread you're not posting in.

Off the jock, you're cutting off the circulation.

For those 10-year-old fanboys out there that may not know (I posted this and before you added your sarcasm post) here's a definition...

MONOPOLY:
"Main Entry: mo·nop·o·ly
Pronunciation: m&-'nä-p(&-)lE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -lies
Etymology: Latin monopolium, from Greek monopOlion, from mon- + pOlein to sell
1 : exclusive ownership through legal privilege, command of supply, or concerted action
2 : exclusive possession or control
3 : a commodity controlled by one party
4 : one that has a monopoly "

From: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/monopoly

By the strictest definition of the term, one doesn’t need to be a monopoly to be guilty of monopolistic practices.

Intel’s actions in the Japanese market is a case in point..

@wusy: I'm not paying for it. I'm not even using it.
OpenOffice.org can type, compute, data store, draw, HTML+CSS edit, PDF export, present slideshows, export in Flash, run off an USB stick - freely.

Damn, it just works and is updated constantly, for free! Why pay Microsoft cash? Answer: I just don't need to. Price: file a bug report online once in a while to see it fixed instead of paying for a technical support call where I'll be answered 'your bug might be fixed in the next version. No, you will have to pay full price for the next version and re-learn it' and then next version comes, your bug is called an always-on, built-in feature.

Microsoft didn't invent much for the consumer's benefit for quite a long time.

The only things that got better were in the field of programming tools, documentaton, programming APIs, and web servers. The first: they use them. The second: they need it due to their code bloat. The third: they were getting a lot of pressure from Java. The fourth: they were bent over with their pants down against Apache, PHP, mySQL and GNU/Linux and/or BSD - and still are.

Internet Explorer 7 still won't support real XHTML 1.0 (1999), while version 1.1 has been ratified in 2002. No, it doesn't support it since it is supported to be parsed as application/xhtml+xml (not text/html) and shouldn't require HTML4 syntax over XHTML10's. Mozilla/Firefox supported it since the standards came out.

It is fun to note that one of the most successful Microsoft software in consumer space these past few years was the Halo franchise, which is programmed by Bungie software (bought by Microsoft), and that some of the most notable parts in the games and movie are done using:
- sound: Ogg Vorbis. Does it mean Windows Media Audio isn't good enough?
- 3D rendering (movie's special effects): Linux clusters using OpenGL. Is Windows/DirectX not up to the task?

As far as you know. How many businesses do you really think are honest? Business is just like politics, and used-car sales....dishonesty is a necessity to thrive in these.

Yes, im sure u want dishonest companies selling you your hardware. These types of actions affect the consumer, which is you by the way, into buying something extremely overpriced in the long run. (If monopolies had their way). EXAMPLE:$300 for an office suite? Get Real.

Mine usually involve clowns & phone bills to the music of Cindy Lauperand for some reason the harder i run the slower i get.

Classic.