DX10 versus DX9

My rather simple understanding is that you will be able to experience with dx10 enabled pc games, the same graphics quality as xbox and playstation games use, as they use dx10.

Well, first of all, DX10 is a Vista only feature (and an optional one as well) and Vista has been delayed once again, so if I were you I wouldn't set any acquisitions based on its availability. Also, as games aren't your focus, you shouldn't worry much about it. For the applicatins you use, I think a medium priced video card will cut the deal (if you have a vivo one it would add more value for you).

On the main differences of DX10 and DX9, they are completely different. In DX10, MS changed the previous architecture of DirectX, mostly on how shaders and other stuff work.

Maybe he meant XBox360 and Playstation 3?

I know the XBox360 doesn't use DX10, but I'm not sure about the PS3. I don't think it does either though, but I could be wrong.

ok I admit it. I just made it up.

Acualy it does, after all it uses ATI's R600 GPU, just think before you post.

Acualy it does, after all it uses ATI's R600 GPU, just think before you post.
Actually, it doesn't.

"the Xbox 360 GPU only meets it own Xbox 360 API specifications. While of course some lessons learned in DX9 and upcoming DX10 were applied, the GPU of the Xbox 360 is very much its own and comparing it directly to anything in the PC world is simply “not right” according to Mr. Feldstein"

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=Nzcx

Just think before you post.

You could probably overclock that thing pretty nicely. $90 is a good deal too.

Yay a normal person!
Shame your benchmark scores will be 1% lower than hugeepenisdude's

10>9, at least in R.

So... I guess DX10 wins...

Ok, let's be serious. DX10 doesn't exist, and who knows what DX10 cards will be like, how much they will cost, and what advantage will there be to have one. Of course they'll be better. But then again, the next generation of video cards will ALWAYS be "revolutionary", DX35 or whatsoever.

So please don't restrain from buying a PC now, it'll be outdated in 3 years, of course, but so will be the dark fate of any DX10 PC.

Yes, you won't be able to turn on DX10-related eye-candy next year. But again, DX10 or not, that's what would happen anyway.

Brand new games are $50 - $60.

One - Two year old games are $20.

I'm to old to care about the latest and greatest game, highest score, blah blah blah. heck...i dont even know if i have ever even finished a video game...EVER...wait...except for Civ 2...man was that ever a good (and frustrating) game.

When it comes to gaming, i just want to spend a half hour blowing some bad guys away, or solving some puzzles or engage in a little strategic thought.

so for me, good gameplay is far more important that eye candy or frame rates.

that being said, id like to as an off topic question. Does anyone know of a decent Sci-Fi RPG (not necessarily recent...just available to buy)? I just cant get into the magic / mythology style RPG's for some reason.

I'm not so much into sci-fi games, but on my old pc I did give 'masters of orion2' (or 'moo2') quite a bashing - a real classic, but old now. Also it did crash a few times rather annoyingly, I think it needs patching but perhaps problem was with my old computer as well. wouldn't mind seeing what the AI is like on new pc (and to see if it runs better).

I also played civ2 to death, but mastered it in the end, again wouldn't mind testing the AI of that game on new pc. Can't wait to get civ4 in new year, when it is bundled with expansion pack. sci-fi version of civ2 is 'alpha centurai', I have that game but not played it yet, apparently it is very good though.

I also have galactic civilisations, which I'm thinking of giving a go. It is also supposed to be very good deep strategy game with good AI (I only play games that have good AI!)

sorry those are all sci-fi strategy games rather than rpg's

Gutted.

Galactic Civilization is definitely a very good strategy game with a challenging AI. The AI tweaks it's strategy based on what you do.

Isn't Galactic Civ 2 out now?

Yep, it's been out for a few months. Doesn't change the fact that GalCiv 1 is still a great game.

Suppose so!

A great Non scifi stategy game is Hearts of Iron 2. It seems truly overwhelming at first, but once you get into it it is quite possibly the most deeply absorbing strategy game i have ever come across.

I love that game, i can remember basically the whole of the first speech by Irenicus. Yes, that's how sad i am.

I did prefer Throne of Bhaal to shadows of Amn though. Best expansion pack ever?

I love that game, i can remember basically the whole of the first speech by Irenicus. Yes, that's how sad i am.

I did prefer Throne of Bhaal to shadows of Amn though. Best expansion pack ever?

There's also Planescape: Torment...that game did have a great story and nice graphics at the time...I remember having a really hard time running it in my pc.

Planescape was quite possibly my favourite out of all of the Infinity engined games. It's a tought choice between Fallout and Planescape. Bother were true masterpieces with a great sense of humour and fantasticly realized worlds.

Bring back the era of the 2D RPG!!!!

I love that game, i can remember basically the whole of the first speech by Irenicus. Yes, that's how sad i am.

I did prefer Throne of Bhaal to shadows of Amn though. Best expansion pack ever?

There's also Planescape: Torment...that game did have a great story and nice graphics at the time...I remember having a really hard time running it in my pc.

Planescape was quite possibly my favourite out of all of the Infinity engined games. It's a tought choice between Fallout and Planescape. Bother were true masterpieces with a great sense of humour and fantasticly realized worlds.

Bring back the era of the 2D RPG!!!!

Well, I still go with fallout (and the fact that i'm an active member of the brotherhood of steel has nothing to do with this option ). Fallout 2 was also a fantastic game, afterall, no other game lets you become a ravager from the after-war-world and a porn star at the same time. 8)

They couls also make more adventure games like Monkey Island, Grim Fandango, Full Throtle and Day of the Tentacle... heh...it was a nice age to be a gamer...now it's all about hack and slash (be with an axe or a .12 mm gauge shotgun)

Well, there were very nice FP RPGs in the past too. Who cannot remember Eye of the Beholder, Menzoberrazan or Ravenloft (just to name a few)? They're classics and had really nice stories too.

For some reason I just can't "get" first-person role-playing. Maybe my crappy actual config has something to do with why I don't particularly appreciate Morrowind or Oblivion (total system hogs)... But playing in first-person I can't role-play because there's no visible character I'm supposed to identify with; I "am" the character. Thus I'm not role-playing (playing as someone else) but I-playing (playing as me). Role-playing in first person? Real life exists for that purpose, and it kicks ass

This also has to do with the "do whatever you want" style of TES. It's less of a game and more of a world; less following a storyline, more wandering about. To each one his style I guess, I can't dive into a game that doesn't give you strict priorities and limitations on what you can do based on an advancement system and storyline.

Though the scenery is sometimes very realistic in Oblivion, it lacks the sharpness, the detail, the uniqueness and artistic quality of 2D Baldur's Gate or Icewind Dale. Such graphics were easy to create because they were hand-painted; basically the artist could do whatever he wanted. In 3D it is much harder because you have to use textures, create low-poly models, etc.

I played Oblivion more than you would think, though I finally gave up, after a couple weeks, in frustration over the impossibility of getting a stable framerate out of my 9600SE. I don't hate the game, I just don't find it as immersive as, say, Baldur's Gate I and II.

Sure you have a good point about first-person role-playing, but to me that is just theory. I can't identify with a character if I can't see the character, if I already am the character. I don't want to hop on a horse and smash monsters with a long sword, I want to role-play a character hopping on a horse and smashing monsters with a long sword. How would you feel if Lord of the Rings was told in first-person from, say, Frodo's perspective? It would feel akward, I would feel the author has tried a weird technique of "immersion" but it's just too much and derives from effective story-telling. You might find the analogy not relevant, but maybe we just have different views on what is role-playing. Bioware spoiled me 4ever !

Well, there were very nice FP RPGs in the past too. Who cannot remember Eye of the Beholder, Menzoberrazan or Ravenloft (just to name a few)? They're classics and had really nice stories too.

Menzoberrazan being the creation of one R.A. Salvator i believe.

Brilliant author, in my opinion.

so does anyone know when we can expect dx10 games? because I also wanted to build an e6600 from the ground up but now im not so sure.

you think 2 much, just play and have fun

Will there be patches for games like Oblivion that convert them from DX9 to DX10?