Microsoft, do it or die:

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Personally, I`d rather use a USB Key.

Although I have, in the past carried files on my phone.

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"Dean Collins" <collins_dean"spam me here"@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> then you're a fool, the ability to carry up to 2gb in my sd card from
> office to home using the Direct connect software on my treo 600 rocks.
>

why I am a fool? I recognize that lack of this feature in Windows Mobile is
a problem. I would be a fool if I would deny it.

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I don't know about being a fool. You could just carry an SD card reader.
Before you say you don't want to carry another device, I assume you are
carrying some cable to connect your Treo to strange machines. If it is a
machine you normally sync with and have a cradle/cable already there, then
presumably normal sync/transfer software is also installed.

My point is you would have to carry some sort of USB cable to hook the PPC
up, if the capability existed. I have a ZipLinq cable that is pretty small,
but I have an SD reader that is just as small.

Not saying that I wouldn't like to see the PPC to be seen as a Mass Storage
drive on any machine it is hooked to. That would be nice. Da*n nice really.
I just don't think not providing it would signal a death knell for Windows
Mobile.

--
Sven, MS-MVP Mobile Devices
"Dean Collins" <collins_dean"spam me here"@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> then you're a fool, the ability to carry up to 2gb in my sd card from
office
> to home using the Direct connect software on my treo 600 rocks.
>
>
> "Mungo Jerry" <jerry_mungo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:32mi6bF3oi8u3U1@individual.net...
> > Personally, I`d rather use a USB Key.
> >
> > Although I have, in the past carried files on my phone.
> >
>
>

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"Sven, MVP-Mobile Devices" <sejohannsen@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> My point is you would have to carry some sort of USB cable to hook the PPC
> up, if the capability existed. I have a ZipLinq cable that is pretty
> small,
> but I have an SD reader that is just as small.
>

card reader is NOT A SOLUTION at all because:

- you have to pull the card from Windows Mobile device first (and believe
me, if you do it often then connectors are getting used and there were
problems with SD cards being pulled out and in on daily basis and then
connector doesn't work reliably)

- you have to carry addtional device what kill idea of having Windows Mobile
at all.

shortly speaking: this is absolute nonsense to advice people to carry card
reader and use it because it is too complicated and it would destroy card
slots... totally pointless... simply a program "activate logical USB drive"
should be provided in Windows Mobile by Microsot (it requires access to
low-level OS so only MS can do it) that would enable such logical drive and
then I could connect device to any PC (USUALLY I DON'T NEED TO CARRY ANY USB
CABLE BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS MINI-USB CABLE ALREADY) and exchange files much
much more easily with other people.

so my point is valid. and palmOne devices already have this feature so users
have another reason to buy palmOne devices like Treo rather than Microsoft
powered...

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> What I mean? I mean possibility to see MS Smartphone or Pocket PC phone as
> LOGICAL DRIVE - so it could be used without ActiveSync, without any
> software. Just as a logical drive that pops-up automatically whenever the
> device is plugged into USB port. Of course it should be
> software-switchable to enable ActiveSync-ying still.
>
> Wake up, Microsoft!

I agree 100%.
Additionnal request: be able to record phone calls.

Joannès

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Reply to message from "www.MSmobiles.com" <nospam@msmobiles.com> (Mon, 20
Dec 2004 03:56:03) about ""Re: Microsoft, do it or die:"":



w> card reader is NOT A SOLUTION at all because:

w> - you have to pull the card from Windows Mobile device first (and
w> believe me, if you do it often then connectors are getting used and
w> there were problems with SD cards being pulled out and in on daily
w> basis and then connector doesn't work reliably)

Well, it seems like the end connector on a typical pocket pc is even more
fragile than the card slot, so wouldn't this suffer from wear as well?

Most new ppc have both wireless and blue tooth - it would seem that it
would be best to exploit these, avoiding the wear (and cable need!)
altogether.

02, fwiw

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"www.MSmobiles.com" <nospam@msmobiles.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Joannes Vermorel [MVS]" <firstname@lastname.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:##s7oDq5EHA.936@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Nope, the mini SD card reader is simply NOT AN OPTION. Why? Because from
a
> > mecanic viewpoint, the smartphone (at least all that I have seen) cannot
> > endure 1000~5000 card insertion/removal.
> >
>
> EXACLTY MY POINT!!! THANK YOU FOR OUTLINING IT.
>
>

FUNNY THAT! Joannes Vermorel uses caps lock in the same way you do!

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"Sven, MVP-Mobile Devices" <sejohannsen@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> So which of your PPCs has a mini USB connector? I have 5 different models
on
> my desk and none of them have one. My Jornada didn't either. You have
> interesting acquaintances if every one of then has a mini-USB cable laying
> at their desk, just for you to use to transfer files with.
>

MDA Compact pocket pc phone known also as i-mate JAM has mini-USB connector.

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"oli" <none@none.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> "www.MSmobiles.com" <nospam@msmobiles.com> wrote in message
> news:uLOsJlq5EHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...

> FUNNY THAT! Joannes Vermorel uses caps lock in the same way you do!
>

who's that?

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"www.MSmobiles.com" <nospam@msmobiles.com> wrote in message
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|
| "oli" <none@none.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
| news:#yeWJqq5EHA.924@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| > "www.MSmobiles.com" <nospam@msmobiles.com> wrote in message
| > news:uLOsJlq5EHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
|
| > FUNNY THAT! Joannes Vermorel uses caps lock in the same way you do!
| >
|
| so? do you have something to contribute or you just wanna do some
trolling
| like that poor welsh boy?
|
|

calling that trolling is just ridiculous. Just like the posts.

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"alan smith" <alan@REMOVEmral.fsnet.co.uk> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> calling that trolling is just ridiculous. Just like the posts.
>

ok, sorry men, I thought that you shoot at me for no reason.
so did you have any point?

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Although, it would be 'NICE' to have my PocketPC show up as a drive, I
don't think that it will ever happen. Some sort of synching will ALWAYS
be neccessary simply because of the nature of Outlook and Access. Again,
going back to my favorite HARP - What is the BUSINESS NEED of the
PocketPC users to have their PocketPC show up as a logical drive? I
personally don't believe that there's a great BUSINESS NEED. My
perception, of course, is that the purpose of a PocketPC is to be mobile
in terms of email receiving/sending, access to clients & appointments
and to-do lists. I just don't believe that there's a great need to
access actuall FILES on a pocketPC.

David H

www.MSmobiles.com wrote:
> Palm OS done it and many digital cameras and MP3 players has it. Microsoft
> do it or die. Or MS cellphones will die.
>
> What I mean? I mean possibility to see MS Smartphone or Pocket PC phone as
> LOGICAL DRIVE - so it could be used without ActiveSync, without any
> software. Just as a logical drive that pops-up automatically whenever the
> device is plugged into USB port. Of course it should be software-switchable
> to enable ActiveSync-ying still.
>
> Wake up, Microsoft!
>
>

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"www.MSmobiles.com" <nospam@msmobiles.com> wrote in message
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|
| "alan smith" <alan@REMOVEmral.fsnet.co.uk> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
| news:cq78o7$s5c$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
| > The mini USB plug can vary - I have 3 different ones on different
| > devices.
| >
|
| in practice not. in theory yes. in practice all work for data
exchange (what
| is what we were talking here about) and only some don't work for
charging.
| we are talking here DATA EXCHANGE WITH HELP OF LOGICAL DRIVE so from
this
| perspective all mini-usb are the same.
|
|

the devices all exchange data. They have different plugs.

In practice then all mini usb are not the same.

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Actually, I don't simply because the features that I depend on aren't
supported by PocketWord or PocketExcel. There are a few other types of
uses that I can think of such as expense reporting, but I just don't see
a lot of people really using Word or Excel or anyother file-based
application. That's not to say that they aren't out there, just that
there aren't that many of them. I'd agree that a developer might have
more of a need than an average user, but still believe that there are
more average users out there than developers.

xTenn wrote:
> "David C. Holley" <DavidCHolley@netscape.net> wrote in message
> newsTCOmRt5EHA.3820@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>
>>Although, it would be 'NICE' to have my PocketPC show up as a drive, I
>>don't think that it will ever happen. Some sort of synching will ALWAYS be
>>neccessary simply because of the nature of Outlook and Access. Again,
>>going back to my favorite HARP - What is the BUSINESS NEED of the PocketPC
>>users to have their PocketPC show up as a logical drive? I personally
>>don't believe that there's a great BUSINESS NEED. My perception, of
>>course, is that the purpose of a PocketPC is to be mobile in terms of
>>email receiving/sending, access to clients & appointments and to-do lists.
>>I just don't believe that there's a great need to access actuall FILES on
>>a pocketPC.
>>
>
>
>
> Well, I could see using a PocketPC as a source code backup for a developer,
> as well as carrying around built executables in the field.
>
> Besides, don't you ever have files (spreadsheets, docs, etc.) that do not
> come through email? Perhaps a few works in progress that you want to carry
> around, whether you work on it via mobil or not. Too many of these and
> ActiveSync, which does not support syncing to a storage card by default,
> will force you to browse to the card for copying.
>
> I still think that exploiting the wireless is a good alternative, but I can
> see the usefulness either way.
>
>
>
>

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I realize that was not directed to me, however THAT ("beyond your
intelligence" ) was just plain RUDE. I hope that your not in sales.

www.MSmobiles.com wrote:
> "alan smith" <alan@REMOVEmral.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:cq7fbq$lif$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
>>In practice then all mini usb are not the same.
>>
>
>
> For the purpose of using windows mobile devices as "USB memory logical
> drives" all mini-USB cables are the same.
> Sorry if it extends beyond your intelligence.
>
>

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Final point conceeded (PocketPC's being more than PIM's). Does it
surprise you (as a developer) to learn that I'm very much on the
Business Analyst side of things, complete with a QA background?

David H

xTenn wrote:
> "David C. Holley" <DavidCHolley@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:uudRDpt5EHA.3728@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
>>Actually, I don't simply because the features that I depend on aren't
>>supported by PocketWord or PocketExcel. There are a few other types of
>>uses that I can think of such as expense reporting, but I just don't see a
>>lot of people really using Word or Excel or anyother file-based
>>application. That's not to say that they aren't out there, just that there
>>aren't that many of them. I'd agree that a developer might have more of a
>>need than an average user, but still believe that there are more average
>>users out there than developers.
>>
>
>
>
> Then
> average users != file manipulation
> is your conclusion?
>
> Curious, I do not have the data to come to a logical conclusion, but I would
> suspect that the number is higher than you suggest. Then again, as a
> developer and longtime computer user I will have to admit my opinion could
> be askew. However, even as I concede that, I do believe that as the Pocket
> PC numbers and functionality increases the role for the devices to be more
> than just PIMs will increase as well.
>
>

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"David C. Holley" <DavidCHolley@netscape.net> wrote in message
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>I realize that was not directed to me, however THAT ("beyond your
>intelligence" ) was just plain RUDE. I hope that your not in sales.

You are wrong. It was just quote from his own writing (I just quoted him):

"alan smith" <alan@REMOVEmral.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> That was not trolling. Sorry if it extends beyond your intelligence.
>

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Reply to message from "David C. Holley" <DavidCHolley@netscape.net> (Mon,
20 Dec 2004 20:36:19) about ""Re: Microsoft, do it or die:"":

DC> Funny you should mention that about the end worth of a chosen set of
DC> actions. There's a film/story floating around in my head that deals
DC> directly with the issue of societies that CAN do something, but fail
DC> to ask the question SHOULD they do it. Such as just because we CAN
DC> manipulate a human's DNA SHOULD we manipulate it.

Kinda like the conundrum, Is Pandora's box more dangerous open or closed?

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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 15:33:41 +0100, "Joannes Vermorel [MVS]"
<firstname@lastname.com> wrote:

>Nope, the mini SD card reader is simply NOT AN OPTION. Why? Because from a
>mecanic viewpoint, the smartphone (at least all that I have seen) cannot
>endure 1000~5000 card insertion/removal.
Why not? My understanding is your device will probably die before the
SD card. Also you are inserting the card instead of putting it in
with a sledge hammer?


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But you ask the question from this side of opening Pandora's box. The
question is not is it more dangerous open or closed, but SHOULD it be
opened.

xTenn wrote:
> Reply to message from "David C. Holley" <DavidCHolley@netscape.net> (Mon,
> 20 Dec 2004 20:36:19) about ""Re: Microsoft, do it or die:"":
>
> DC> Funny you should mention that about the end worth of a chosen set of
> DC> actions. There's a film/story floating around in my head that deals
> DC> directly with the issue of societies that CAN do something, but fail
> DC> to ask the question SHOULD they do it. Such as just because we CAN
> DC> manipulate a human's DNA SHOULD we manipulate it.
>
> Kinda like the conundrum, Is Pandora's box more dangerous open or closed?

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You know I was thinking that this conversation was completely off topic
and should be ended, but then it occurred to me that we are discussing
this within a MICROSOFT forum.

HA!

David H

Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media] wrote:

> Ah but could it be potentially more damaging *not* knowing for sure if
> there are potential serious dangers inside ?
>
> Bush thought so, and invaded Iraq (not that it's a recommendation ;-p)
>
> Cheers - Neil
>
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 06:21:16 -0500, "David C. Holley"
> <DavidCHolley@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>
>>But you ask the question from this side of opening Pandora's box. The
>>question is not is it more dangerous open or closed, but SHOULD it be
>>opened.
>>
>>xTenn wrote:
>>
>>>Reply to message from "David C. Holley" <DavidCHolley@netscape.net> (Mon,
>>>20 Dec 2004 20:36:19) about ""Re: Microsoft, do it or die:"":
>>>
>>> DC> Funny you should mention that about the end worth of a chosen set of
>>> DC> actions. There's a film/story floating around in my head that deals
>>> DC> directly with the issue of societies that CAN do something, but fail
>>> DC> to ask the question SHOULD they do it. Such as just because we CAN
>>> DC> manipulate a human's DNA SHOULD we manipulate it.
>>>
>>>Kinda like the conundrum, Is Pandora's box more dangerous open or closed?
>
>

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"Sven, MVP-Mobile Devices" <sejohannsen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I just don't think not providing it would signal a death knell for Windows
> Mobile.

Well, one really shouldn't take seriously a post from a crazy loon!

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"www.MSmobiles.com" <nospam@msmobiles.com> wrote in message
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> so my point is valid. and palmOne devices already have this feature so
users
> have another reason to buy palmOne devices like Treo rather than Microsoft
> powered...

MORE TREASON! You are encouraging people to buy competitor's devices! You
are worse than the Ipod traitors! (I bet secretly you would love to have a
Treo 650 and an Ipod, wouldn't you?)

GET OUT THE FIRING SQUAD!! TRAITORS TO MICROSOFT SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED!!!



(LOL)

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Ugggh - brainless fanboy-ism.

Why do people find it so difficult to realise that competition is healthy
for consumers? If Apple release a mobile phone which utilises a version of
OS X better than the current Microsoft Mobile/Pocket PC OS, then Microsoft
will respond by improving their own operating system.

Whether you are a fan of Microsoft or Apple, this will be beneficial to you
as a user of mobile/cell phones.



in article O5Y5poF6EHA.2196@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl, David C. Holley at
DavidCHolley@netscape.net wrote on 22/12/04 7:12 pm:

> Hail dur furer Gates! All love to the Motherland Microsoft! We crush all
> others! APPLE strudel for all!
>
> MS wrote:
>> "www.MSmobiles.com" <nospam@msmobiles.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23TkfTHn5EHA.1296@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>>> so my point is valid. and palmOne devices already have this feature so
>>
>> users
>>
>>> have another reason to buy palmOne devices like Treo rather than Microsoft
>>> powered...
>>
>>
>> MORE TREASON! You are encouraging people to buy competitor's devices! You
>> are worse than the Ipod traitors! (I bet secretly you would love to have a
>> Treo 650 and an Ipod, wouldn't you?)
>>
>> GET OUT THE FIRING SQUAD!! TRAITORS TO MICROSOFT SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> (LOL)
>>
>>

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Another thing MS should do, is give PPC printer capability! Most printers
have IR now, so what's the problem? Third party software has proven it can
be done. Indeed - Wake up, Microsoft before Palm does!

--
Bob D.

"www.MSmobiles.com" <nospam@msmobiles.com> wrote in message
news:%23UKfyQi5EHA.2196@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Palm OS done it and many digital cameras and MP3 players has it. Microsoft
> do it or die. Or MS cellphones will die.
>
> What I mean? I mean possibility to see MS Smartphone or Pocket PC phone as
> LOGICAL DRIVE - so it could be used without ActiveSync, without any
> software. Just as a logical drive that pops-up automatically whenever the
> device is plugged into USB port. Of course it should be
> software-switchable to enable ActiveSync-ying still.
>
> Wake up, Microsoft!
>
>