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Thanks for the post, but that's for socket AM2, not the 775 needed for Core 2. Thanks anyway tho. If you find a motherboard with the 590 SLI with socket 775, then I'll be very excited to hear it! They aren't out yet tho I don't think, not that I can find tho. I'm more interested in when they'll be out, but due to the fact that no one really knows, I'm worried it won't be for a while.

ooppps
my mistake...
guess i should pay closer attention...

Both companys have high and low end products. The x1900 GT is quite a competitor in both price and performance with the 7900 GT. The x1900 XT you simply cannot beat for price and performance. I can buy one for 445 $ the closest performing nVidia card is over 600 $. Both companys produce great products, and no matter what you hear both gfx manufacturers have flawed drivers.

so is ther any updates i am waighting around to find out when i should be looking for the 590 slias well looking to what it has to bring to the plate will go great with 6800 and epp ram

Guys, I have a small update, but still an update. I called ASUS, and the guy told me they're working on the BIOS of the new 590 SLI intel edition board, and to call back next week and they should have a date set. He made it sound like a lot of them are coming out soon, so I'm cautiously hoping they'll be out by the time the Core 2 Extreme actually is in stock to ship (1-2 weeks). So you can bet that when Monday comes, I'm dialing ASUS again
-Paul

Nice info ^^, thanks a lot.

Poul!

did you get any info about linkboost?

how do you define OCing "best": %increase, or MHz increase, or top clock reached??

if you OC an E6300 to the same clock as an X6800, you will have essentially equal performance (within 10% due to the larger cache) because the core architecture is identical for the two. Your claim is completely absurd.

Is there going to be a big difference from this board Asus P5N32-SLI SE Deluxe nForce4 SLI?

Should i get p5w deluxde or Asus P5N32-SLI SE Deluxe nForce4 SLI?

we are here talking about new nforce chipset not about nforce 4 or 975x chipset from intel(p5w)

Sorry man, I asked nVidia about it on their website along with when it would be out, but they only answered my question about the release date. Where did u hear about linkboost not being available on the intel boards?

I meant % increase, and I would show you the example, but for some reason I can't remember where I read the review. Anandtech only had the E6300 up to 2.6Ghz, while the E6400 reached 2.88Ghz, but that was on stock cooling. I'm sure I saw somewhere the 6300 reach near 4Ghz, that was surely on liquid cooling tho. Maybe I'm full of bs, but I just am sure I saw it.

hahaha, ya I shouldn't have worded it like that, but you could have pointed it out to me a little nicer than that I was sure I'd seen a review where they were compared, but even at close to the same clock speed the 6800 had performed quite a bit higher... even higher than u'd think the cache would account for.... that was at the highest overclocks you can get. I would think that there would be SOMETHING different in the 6300 other than the cache, because they're only designed to run at 1.86Ghz. Anyway, I can't find the review I want, but here's a really good review on overclocking them, and actually the 6400 is a very good overclocker as well.
-Paul

yeah you're right. i'm sorry, didn't mean to bite your head off. just when i read it, it sounded like you were saying something dumb like "X6800 is always better.. it's got a higher number."

i don't think % increase is a good measure. since the lower processors start at a lower clock, the same increase in frequency is more percentage wise. making it seem like the processor has more headroom (which to me is the important measure). people use % it seems when they want to impress... eg "i got a 50% increase on my CPU" neglecting to say that they started at 1.3Ghz. whereas a 10% increase on a 2Ghz CPU doesn't sound as impressive but still yields better performance.

haha, no problem. Ya, that's a good point... it does seem better to measure more in terms of amount of increase instead of %. I've seen the X6800 oc'd to 3.6Ghz, and the E6400 to 2.88Ghz. The 2.88 was on stock cooling, can't remember about the 3.6, but if that was stock cooling too, they seem to all be able to be bumped up around 700Mhz stock. Pretty solid. I'm not too excited about overclocking a 1000$ processor tho... I'll probably play around with it, but I doubt I'll take it too far.

But anyway, I guess we're getting off topic now... but we gotta find something to talk about til next week or whenever we hear about a date for the 590.

yes, i can't wait to see how the Asus 590 mobos compare to p5w dh in speed and cost. since i am pretty set on getting an nvidia card it would be nice to have the option of SLI later on. plus i bet Asus will cram that motherboard full of nice features too

I don't know where I read aboute it but it was at the end of may when they released the nforce 500 for amd. It was interview whit guys from nvidia and they said that at the beginning the intel edition motherboards
will not have the linkboost at the beginning
and if you go to nvidia home page you will not find linkboost at the chipset caracteristics list
I found this at www.hexus.net
"It's interesting to note that NVIDIA isn't specifying any PCIe bus overclocking, a la LinkBoost, here.

It will be up to motherboard manufacturers to implement them the way they see fit"

Well if it's up to the motherboard manufacturer, then maybe ASUS will put it on their board right away. I'll try to remember and ask the tech rep. when I call on Monday. I'm curious about the reasoning behind nVidia doing that tho.

Thanks for the review, I found this paragraph really interesting:

Add multi-GPU support and raise the resolution to 1920x1200 along with some image enhancement, so CrossFire for the ATI and Intel chipsets and SLI for the two NVIDIA nForce 590 SLI Editions, and ATI comes out on top, not that an average framerate in excess of 100FPS is slow. Run, say, Quake 4 and the positions would change. With settings as high as these it matters not which CPU is used; they're GPU limited for the most part. What nForce 590 SKI I.E. does is allow you to opt for SLI or CrossFire. It's all about choice, and we welcome it for that.

Someone had asked if u could have crossfire on the 590 SLI, and I guess there's the answer, you can! That's big, because we don't know which DX10 gpu is going to be better, the ATI card or nVidia. If u want to be able to have multi-gpu with either option, the 590 SLI is the only board that will support that right now...

Our final judgement on its effectiveness will be made once a few tier-1 vendors ship us their retail boards, with ASUS currently leading that race.

So what does that mean!!!??? When??? lol, no one knows, damnit!

I'm going to read the review on EPP RAM later, I don't have time now, but does it really make a noticeable difference? My Mushkin Redline PC28000 DDR1066 RAM is going to be here tomorrow, but maybe I should send it back for some EPP RAM? hmmmmmmm, what do u guys think?
-Paul

edit: Ok, I read the hexus review on EPP ram, and this one from THG, and basically, it doesn't give you any performance increase, it just guarantees the overclocks will be stable. I sort of compare it to the XFX Geforce 7950GX2 Extreme edition. Normal 7950GX2s are 500Mhz core and 1200Mhz memory clocks, but the extreme edition factory overclocks them to 520 and 1300 and, since it's done in the factory, it's guaranteed. But, you can still buy a normal card and most, if not all, of the time, have stable overclocks, it's just not guaranteed. With EPP RAM, it's like a factory overclock of RAM, so it's just easier to overclock, and it's guaranteed stable. However, I don't know how much more it will cost, and if you just buy good quality RAM, like my Mushkin redline, then I can just play around with the BIOS myself, and pretty much be guaranteed it's stable.

The biggest thing I want to know is this: will EPP overclock to the absolute limit, or will it go to the "safe" overclock. If it would not go to the limit (still being safe voltages for everything, but still the limit) then to me, it would make no sense to buy it if you want to go to that safe limit, because you'd have to overclock it more yourself anyway, voiding the guarantee, and wasting your extra money. I guess the only thing it would get you would be saving you a bit of time, because it does most of the work for you.

Am I understanding this right, or am I off here?

i think that role of the epp ram is with linkboost this one will OC the ram,..
during you'll play games or when it will be needed