3.66 ghz Conroe EE, plus MEROM mobile parts reviewed...

A very comprehensive review, including all Conroe Parts, an EE Conroe OCed to 3.66 ghz, plus all the Merom mobile parts, and the full range of AMD offerings.

Highlights:

An (EDIT) E6600 (2.4 ghz - $314) beats an FX62 in the clear majority of benchmarks.

=> FX62s @ $299 anybody?

The 3.66 ghz OCed EE Conroe just &*^%ing humiliates the FX62, it is an absolute, total, across the board utter complete buttkicking...

The Merom parts perform, clock for clock, pretty close to their Conroe twins (hardly a shock) and in games the Meroms often beat the FX62 (!)

Here is the link:

http://www.matbe.com/articles/lire [...] /page1.php

It is french, but it babblefishes ok....

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The 3.66 ghz OCed EE Conroe just &*^%ing humiliates the FX62, it is an absolute, total, across the board utter complete buttkicking..

Of course is spanks it. Its clocked 800mhz faster, its 65nm, and its got double the cache. Wow thats a surprise. :roll:

Reply to MrsD

Yes, but Conroe can even overclock further, but go ahead... OverClock the FX-62 as far as you choose, it still gets beat since it is not very overclockable by AMD's great design...

Reply to RichPLS

It would prolly beat it even at half of FXs clockspeed... or something like that.

However, we can talk again when youve added 2 MB L2-Cache, 800 MHz and 65nm but I tell you: You will be the one getting humiliated, shakira´s thong.

Reply to Ycon

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A very comprehensive review, including all Conroe Parts, an EE Conroe OCed to 3.66 ghz, plus all the Merom mobile parts, and the full range of AMD offerings.

Highlights:

An E6400 (2.4 ghz - $314) beats an FX62 in the clear majority of benchmarks.

=> FX62s @ $299 anybody?

The 3.66 ghz OCed EE Conroe just &*^%ing humiliates the FX62, it is an absolute, total, across the board utter complete buttkicking...

The Merom parts perform, clock for clock, pretty close to their Conroe twins (hardly a shock) and in games the Meroms often beat the FX62 (!)

Here is the link:

http://www.matbe.com/articles/lire [...] /page1.php

It is french, but it babblefishes ok....

interesting I didn't see a 6400 in the test. Good numbers, though. I guess I'll have to put "shameful rig" above the specs in my sig

Reply to BaronMatrix

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Yes, but Conroe can even overclock further, but go ahead... OverClock the FX-62 as far as you choose, it still gets beat since it is not very overclockable by AMD's great design...

the K8 arc is getting very dated, the 90nm has been pushed to its highest efficiency and every feature of the K8 is almost generations old now. Considering it was almost revolutionary when it came out somanyyear ago. What ever the FX or the Opteron can do on 1mb or 2 mb L2 cache even at 2.8Ghz is pretty impressive. considering the k8 was spanking and giving the pentiums doggy styles for so many business quarters from back in the days of the "prescott" race all the way to the Dual core and the even the first revision of Core duo

Quote :

"K8 you have served AMD good. but it's soon time for you to retire and take a rest :cry: you've been a good friend and rival to Intel"

Reply to YO_KID37

Your specs are not the top anyways... but I wonder how accurate they are... You claim an Antec TruepowerII 500 watt PSU...
When was that made? Or are you labeling the SmartPower 500 watt as a TruepowerII???
Or do you even know the difference?
My PC...
Lian Li PC-60plus Black Aluminum Case (w/TR-3B Black Thermometer/Fan Controller 3.5” bay)
L.I.S. 2 Fan Controller - USB
Opteron 175 (2x 2.64 GHz, 2x1MB cache, Socket 939, .09 micron, E6 stepping, OSA175DAA6CD)
ThermalTake BigWater745 liquid cooling system complete kit
Asus A8R32-MVP Motherboard (ATI Radeon Xpress 3200 CrossFire, socket 939, SATA2)
HiS X1800XT Graphics Card (625 MHz/700 MHz OC core/1500 Mhz/1600 MHz OC mem, Dual DL-DVI VIVO 512 MB PCIe)
ATI TV Theater 550 PRO Tuner (PCI TV and FM Tuner)
4x 512MB Corsair Micro Xpert DDR RAM - 11x240MHz (2.5-3-3-8-2T (spd 2-2-2-5-1T) TwinXP 1024-3200XL)
2x 74gig Western Digital Raptor Hard Drives RAID-0 (WD740GD RAID0 150gig Boot Drive)
2x 250gig Western Digital Caviar SE16 Hard Drives (WD2500KS storage and data)
Plextor 716AL Black 16x DVD/CD Burner (IDE slot loading type)
Antec TP-II 550 Power Supply (550 Watt ATX12V v2.0 PSU)
Dell 2405FPW 24-inch LCD Monitor (UltraSharp Wide Aspect Flat Panel Display)
Logitech G-15 Gaming Keyboard
Logitech Cordless Optical TrackMan
Case Fans (SilenX 120mm intake, Adda 120mm exhaust blower, SilenX 92mm exhaust and SilenX 80mm Fan)

Reply to RichPLS

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Of course is spanks it. Its clocked 800mhz faster, its 65nm, and its got double the cache. Wow thats a surprise. :roll:

I'll give you the overclock, but the transition to 65nm doesn't inherently increase speed and according to what I've read from alot of AMD people the huge cache is just cheating. :roll:

Reply to Scarchunk

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Of course is spanks it. Its clocked 800mhz faster, its 65nm, and its got double the cache. Wow thats a surprise. :roll:

I'll give you the overclock, but the transition to 65nm doesn't inherently increase speed and according to what I've read from alot of AMD people the huge cache is just cheating. :roll:

Cheating? lol wtf do you mean by that, these companies are out to make the most money they can , theres no such thing as cheating

Reply to namralaks

ITs not just the cache that makes Conroe so fast, its all the little things Intel did. The allowed it to execute more instructions per clock, they increased floating point performance, they implemented alot of the design strengths from the P4(ok so alot is relative.) Don't just say that slapping cache on an AMD will do it good, its been shown the performance increase between identical clocked but different cache parts is the same in all but a few tests.

Reply to dorion

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Of course is spanks it. Its clocked 800mhz faster, its 65nm, and its got double the cache. Wow thats a surprise. :roll:

I'll give you the overclock, but the transition to 65nm doesn't inherently increase speed and according to what I've read from alot of AMD people the huge cache is just cheating. :roll:

Cheating? 8O As long as the benchmarks are properly conducted without bias, there is no cheating involved. The worst you can say is that two chips at different price-points are being compared. However, these chips are going to be priced cheaper than the FX-62.

Reply to DrBlofeld

Some of us don't live and breathe money. And his PSU being 500W is probably a typo. What does it have to do with anything though.

I said this about a month ago. I really wish Conroe would just come out so maybe people will shut the hell up about it a little. Yes its going to be a good processor that will outpace the Athlon X2 series. But does there need to be 20 new topics a day about it?

Man, you'd think Intel created a cure for cancer or something with how much time nerds spend jacking off about it.

Reply to FITCamaro

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Cheating? lol wtf do you mean by that, these companies are out to make the most money they can , theres no such thing as cheating

Hey calm down everybody. I don't think that a large cache is cheating at all. I made the comment because I think it's funny that as early Conroe benches were released, AMD guys claimed that it was all programs that were loaded in the cache and as soon as Conroe was put in real world applications it wouldn't be able to keep it's lead. Now that more and more reviews are released and Core is still in the lead, these same AMD fans are claiming the huge cache as an advantage.

Reply to Scarchunk

The point is he either makes a lot of typos, which elude to facts which are false, or he intentionally miss interprets data and specs to fit his definition of what is best often which are … fanboi saturated
Lately, as with a few others, this has been exacerbated...

Reply to RichPLS

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Of course is spanks it. Its clocked 800mhz faster, its 65nm, and its got double the cache. Wow thats a surprise. :roll:

I'll give you the overclock, but the transition to 65nm doesn't inherently increase speed and according to what I've read from alot of AMD people the huge cache is just cheating. :roll:

Cheating? lol wtf do you mean by that, these companies are out to make the most money they can , theres no such thing as cheating

If Intel Ships out Molex connector compatable Dildo's it still would'nt be considred cheating because they'd just ship is a"female" package only difference from OEM and "female" package would it would include a Molex connecter compatable Dildo and just no cooling fan or heat sink. This "package" would become a wildly sucessful in the single mother and the single female market segment. No offence to any females if there happen to be any/ only talking in a sense of business and profits not human relations and human resourses(well this idea would build massive female following) Intel would finally have "Fangurls"

Reply to YO_KID37

http://www.matbe.com/articles/lire [...] page13.php

If you look.

In games going from 2MB to 4MB achives 8,7% to 16,2% improvement.
Tests where done at just 640x480, which makes the cache more important, with less data to process, more is cached.

I wonder how would be the Core 2 with 1MB. Don’t forget AMD has 1MB for one core VS 4MB of Intel.

Reply to GloriosoSLB

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http://www.matbe.com/articles/lire [...] page13.php

If you look.

In games going from 2MB to 4MB achives 8,7% to 16,2% improvement.
Tests where done at just 640x480, which makes the cache more important, with less data to process, more is cached.

I wonder how would be the Core 2 with 1MB. Don’t forget AMD has 1MB for one core VS 4MB of Intel.

I wonder how would be the K8 without the ODMC.

Design principles for Intel and AMD are obviously different. Having a large cache is about as much cheating as having an ODMC is. What is important is, that whatever be the design principles, it seems that the Core 2s are going to perform better and cost less than Athlon 64s. Maybe AMD needs to strip the K8 off their ODMCs to reduce costs...

Please, don't whine about the large caches. There is no doubt that having a large cache is beneficial. Even AMD knows that.

Reply to mjp1618

They conveniently forget all of that, like a dumb blonde mezmerized by a shiney new nickel.

Reply to MasterLee

Just making a point and clarifying it.
I was with the impression that what it was being said is that the 4MB cache is not one of the Core 2 performance key points.

The cache is very important to Intel or they wouldn’t put 4MB in it.

Like you said IMC is important to AMD.

Reply to GloriosoSLB

Not to troll or anything. but games at 640? WTF was that....looks at toms own Core2 vs FX62
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/0 [...] page5.html
Core 2 does better at low settings(i think P4's did as well)
they are not all that far off in games.

I do think that if AMD gave 4megs of cache they would close the gap in games, but if Intel went with a ODMC AMD may just go boom....

I dont care either way intill i see a Conroe(Core2) sitting in my PC i will not put faith in the benchmarks.

In the end this all means lower prices for us!!!!

Reply to nukemaster

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Just making a point and clarifying it.
I was with the impression that what it was being said is that the 4MB cache is not one of the Core 2 performance key points.

The cache is very important to Intel or they wouldn’t put 4MB in it.

Like you said IMC is important to AMD.

I apologize if I seemed to be rude...

My post was aimed at people who say that the Core architecture has huge caches, and that Intel is somehow "cheating" with the huge caches.

Having a large, effective cache is just a design strategy of Intel. They don't just have large caches, they also have excellent prefetchers. And this does impact performance positively.

Why should people care as long as they get good performance at good prices, whether it is due to an ODMC or a large cache or faster transistors or a better design process? Why do people like Shakariboob talk about caches as if they are a dirty thing?

Reply to mjp1618

Benchmarking at 640x480 is to test the speed of the processor, at higher resolutions, the graphic card is the bottleneck, which is why there is less performance increase at higer resolutions...
As you get better graphic cards, then the Core2Duo will lengthen the performance lead at even higher resolutions... even tho, benchmarking a CPU will still be better measured at the lowest resolutions... unless you wish to test the graphic card, then use higher res's...

Reply to RichPLS

I'm of the understanding that this is done to take the gpu out of the equation as much as possible.

Reply to Scarchunk

correct you are...

Reply to RichPLS

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Your specs are not the top anyways... but I wonder how accurate they are... You claim an Antec TruepowerII 500 watt PSU...
When was that made? Or are you labeling the SmartPower 500 watt as a TruepowerII???
Or do you even know the difference?
My PC...
Lian Li PC-60plus Black Aluminum Case (w/TR-3B Black Thermometer/Fan Controller 3.5” bay)
L.I.S. 2 Fan Controller - USB
Opteron 175 (2x 2.64 GHz, 2x1MB cache, Socket 939, .09 micron, E6 stepping, OSA175DAA6CD)
ThermalTake BigWater745 liquid cooling system complete kit
Asus A8R32-MVP Motherboard (ATI Radeon Xpress 3200 CrossFire, socket 939, SATA2)
HiS X1800XT Graphics Card (625 MHz/700 MHz OC core/1500 Mhz/1600 MHz OC mem, Dual DL-DVI VIVO 512 MB PCIe)
ATI TV Theater 550 PRO Tuner (PCI TV and FM Tuner)
4x 512MB Corsair Micro Xpert DDR RAM - 11x240MHz (2.5-3-3-8-2T (spd 2-2-2-5-1T) TwinXP 1024-3200XL)
2x 74gig Western Digital Raptor Hard Drives RAID-0 (WD740GD RAID0 150gig Boot Drive)
2x 250gig Western Digital Caviar SE16 Hard Drives (WD2500KS storage and data)
Plextor 716AL Black 16x DVD/CD Burner (IDE slot loading type)
Antec TP-II 550 Power Supply (550 Watt ATX12V v2.0 PSU)
Dell 2405FPW 24-inch LCD Monitor (UltraSharp Wide Aspect Flat Panel Display)
Logitech G-15 Gaming Keyboard
Logitech Cordless Optical TrackMan
Case Fans (SilenX 120mm intake, Adda 120mm exhaust blower, SilenX 92mm exhaust and SilenX 80mm Fan)

Quiet idiot. They 2.0 I used II

Antec PERFORMANCE TX TX1050B Black Steel Server Computer Case 500W ATX12V v2.0 Power Supply - Retail

Happy now kockboy?

Reply to BaronMatrix

Oh the ownage. Poor AMD fanboys, they're better not look at those results.

Reply to Action_Man

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The 3.66 ghz OCed EE Conroe just &*^%ing humiliates the FX62, it is an absolute, total, across the board utter complete buttkicking..

Of course is spanks it. Its clocked 800mhz faster, its 65nm, and its got double the cache. Wow thats a surprise. :roll: After years of touting AMD beating Intel with lower clocks, you say THIS?

Reply to Caboose-1

That is the lower quality series Smart Power 2 or II and not the higher quality True Power 2 or II...
Such an high falutin ANALyst as yerself should not be arguing the facts, BM... **diaria boy**
If you still do not believe me, look up specs online, and correct your incorrect sig too.

Reply to RichPLS

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Your specs are not the top anyways... but I wonder how accurate they are... You claim an Antec TruepowerII 500 watt PSU...
When was that made? Or are you labeling the SmartPower 500 watt as a TruepowerII???
Or do you even know the difference?My PC...
Lian Li PC-60plus Black Aluminum Case (w/TR-3B Black Thermometer/Fan Controller 3.5” bay)
L.I.S. 2 Fan Controller - USB
Opteron 175 (2x 2.64 GHz, 2x1MB cache, Socket 939, .09 micron, E6 stepping, OSA175DAA6CD)
ThermalTake BigWater745 liquid cooling system complete kit
Asus A8R32-MVP Motherboard (ATI Radeon Xpress 3200 CrossFire, socket 939, SATA2)
HiS X1800XT Graphics Card (625 MHz/700 MHz OC core/1500 Mhz/1600 MHz OC mem, Dual DL-DVI VIVO 512 MB PCIe)
ATI TV Theater 550 PRO Tuner (PCI TV and FM Tuner)
4x 512MB Corsair Micro Xpert DDR RAM - 11x240MHz (2.5-3-3-8-2T (spd 2-2-2-5-1T) TwinXP 1024-3200XL)
2x 74gig Western Digital Raptor Hard Drives RAID-0 (WD740GD RAID0 150gig Boot Drive)
2x 250gig Western Digital Caviar SE16 Hard Drives (WD2500KS storage and data)
Plextor 716AL Black 16x DVD/CD Burner (IDE slot loading type)
Antec TP-II 550 Power Supply (550 Watt ATX12V v2.0 PSU)
Dell 2405FPW 24-inch LCD Monitor (UltraSharp Wide Aspect Flat Panel Display)
Logitech G-15 Gaming Keyboard
Logitech Cordless Optical TrackMan
Case Fans (SilenX 120mm intake, Adda 120mm exhaust blower, SilenX 92mm exhaust and SilenX 80mm Fan)

Quiet idiot. They 2.0 I used II

Antec PERFORMANCE TX TX1050B Black Steel Server Computer Case 500W ATX12V v2.0 Power Supply - Retail

Happy now kockboy?

:lol: :lol: :lol:
For another laugh, tell us what you make a year!

Reply to RichPLS

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The 3.66 ghz OCed EE Conroe just &*^%ing humiliates the FX62, it is an absolute, total, across the board utter complete buttkicking..

Of course is spanks it. Its clocked 800mhz faster, its 65nm, and its got double the cache. Wow thats a surprise. :roll:

Mrs D would you like an Intel "Female" package?

Reply to YO_KID37

seriously, tho... nothing to be ashamed about a SmartPower PSU... actually, rightfully you should boast it... not every job hopping janitor can collect enough alum cans to buy that anyways

Reply to RichPLS

AArrgghhh these posts !!!! Its not that I dont like to drool or anything but... the wait is killing me !!! I wonder what the odds are I will be able to pick one up come the 23rd maybe a week or two after ??? hmmm how come I feel like a crack addict waiting for his dealer to restock (what do they call it when they get more ???)

Reply to JonathanDeane

I would say odds are good if you diligently research sellers as time gets nearer to launch...

Reply to RichPLS

if the video card is a bottleneck then why are the FPS(on toms farcry) so much better on the low quality? and AMD(on Toms farcry) better on the High settings?

Please fill me in.....

Reply to nukemaster

any reviews in good old english? or did everyone use babelfish to translate? lol
:wink:

Reply to illuminatirex

The FPS will always be higher with the resolutions lower on any system. When you move to high resolution alot of the load is shifted to the gpu. The AMD system was set up at Toms running an X1900XTX while I'm not sure what card the Intel system was running. Even still the AMD systems only beats the 2.66 Conroe by a small margin in a single level on Farcry and only the overclocked FX62 beats it by 4 fps in another level. Every other level and gaming bench in the review the Conroe wins regardless of high or low resolution.

Reply to Scarchunk

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seriously, tho... nothing to be ashamed about a SmartPower PSU... actually, rightfully you should boast it... not every job hopping janitor can collect enough alum cans to buy that anyways

You're so boring. get a life.

Reply to BaronMatrix

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Your specs are not the top anyways... but I wonder how accurate they are... You claim an Antec TruepowerII 500 watt PSU...
When was that made? Or are you labeling the SmartPower 500 watt as a TruepowerII???
Or do you even know the difference?My PC...
Lian Li PC-60plus Black Aluminum Case (w/TR-3B Black Thermometer/Fan Controller 3.5” bay)
L.I.S. 2 Fan Controller - USB
Opteron 175 (2x 2.64 GHz, 2x1MB cache, Socket 939, .09 micron, E6 stepping, OSA175DAA6CD)
ThermalTake BigWater745 liquid cooling system complete kit
Asus A8R32-MVP Motherboard (ATI Radeon Xpress 3200 CrossFire, socket 939, SATA2)
HiS X1800XT Graphics Card (625 MHz/700 MHz OC core/1500 Mhz/1600 MHz OC mem, Dual DL-DVI VIVO 512 MB PCIe)
ATI TV Theater 550 PRO Tuner (PCI TV and FM Tuner)
4x 512MB Corsair Micro Xpert DDR RAM - 11x240MHz (2.5-3-3-8-2T (spd 2-2-2-5-1T) TwinXP 1024-3200XL)
2x 74gig Western Digital Raptor Hard Drives RAID-0 (WD740GD RAID0 150gig Boot Drive)
2x 250gig Western Digital Caviar SE16 Hard Drives (WD2500KS storage and data)
Plextor 716AL Black 16x DVD/CD Burner (IDE slot loading type)
Antec TP-II 550 Power Supply (550 Watt ATX12V v2.0 PSU)
Dell 2405FPW 24-inch LCD Monitor (UltraSharp Wide Aspect Flat Panel Display)
Logitech G-15 Gaming Keyboard
Logitech Cordless Optical TrackMan
Case Fans (SilenX 120mm intake, Adda 120mm exhaust blower, SilenX 92mm exhaust and SilenX 80mm Fan)

Quiet idiot. They 2.0 I used II

Antec PERFORMANCE TX TX1050B Black Steel Server Computer Case 500W ATX12V v2.0 Power Supply - Retail

Happy now kockboy?

:lol: :lol: :lol:
For another laugh, tell us what you make a year!

700 punks, 300 suckers and 400 eunuchs.

Reply to BaronMatrix

Well I think he was refering to absolute values, aka instead of a level playing field, its every processor pulls out all the stops.

Reply to MatTheMurdera

ur so Shakira like... won't admit your wrong, and will not correct misinformation, even when you have been shown the truth and probably knew it anyway... Now you are intentionally posting false information :roll:

Reply to RichPLS

Awesomeness. This not only cements the fact that I am buying a Core 2 rig, but it also reassures that an E6600 will do everything I need compared to an E6700, even without overclocking. FX-62 performance on the cheap...an appealing concept to say the least.

Reply to capnbfg

You're PSU, which is listed as a different model in your sig...
http://www.antec.com/us/productDet [...] odID=26500

The PSU you are claiming you have... or wish you had...
http://www.antec.com/us/productDet [...] odID=22550

Any questions, BM?

Reply to RichPLS

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You're PSU, which is listed as a different model in your sig...
http://www.antec.com/us/productDet [...] odID=26500

The PSU you are claiming you have... or wish you had...
http://www.antec.com/us/productDet [...] odID=22550

Any questions, BM?

I don't know if he does, but I think I have one. What is it that YOU do, Mr. bigshot, and how are you anyway?

Reply to russki

What I Have To Say: AMD All They Way (I Dont Hate Intel, I Just Dont Like "Hogs" I Vote For The "Little Guy" ) And Conroe May Be Fast But AMD Isnt Finished Yet So Beware (You Know How The Technology World Is)
And Conroe May Be Faster, But By How Much?, If Its Not Litterally Twice As Fast I Dont Want It! Id Rather Just Add $1000.00 Worth Of Raptors, 7900GX2s, 2.5GB Of DDR550 And An IRAM Drive. If Is Fast Enuff It Fast Enuff.

Nuff' Said
Out.....

Reply to Hella-D

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Yes, but Conroe can even overclock further, but go ahead... OverClock the FX-62 as far as you choose, it still gets beat since it is not very overclockable by AMD's great design...

Well...i chose to get my fx-62 up to 5.3 GHz and turns out it won!! :?

Nobody cares that AMD is about to get stomped!! EVERYONE and their mother knows this!!! We all just hope that AMD can answer with their own killer innovation in a timely manner.

Reply to buckiller

Ah more BM ownage. I wonder if he'll take part in the thread again? He says hes never wrong or owned.

Reply to Action_Man

ruski, no beef with any Antec or any other brand PSU...
Beef is with BaronessMattres lying about cold hard facts, and even worse spreading false information as facts... and when confronted with the truth, he states more bs and never admits any wrong doings...

Reply to RichPLS

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Ah more BM ownage. I wonder if he'll take part in the thread again? He says hes never wrong or owned.

He is right about that he was never owned. If I think deeper, it is the oposite he owned us all.

Reply to gOJDO

They might cry if they see those ones, this makes me really excited because Im going to buy the Core 2 6600, and that site says it clocked upto 3.6 ghz on stock volts with no problem at all, and is completly stable, I was only aiming for 3.4, but I may push 3.6. 9 inch better not see this he may very well commit suicide.

Reply to Mike995

Ever heard of COMBINING posts? I only see you making double or triple posts...

Reply to Ycon

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