Need advice for new computer
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Umm. I didn't know that about Quad SLi, but I'll take shadow's word for it. He knows EVERYTHING. 
Basicly you don't need a second 7950. As it will have no affect on your speed of play in games, nor is it available at this time.
I can see why they gave you the 4200 as currently NCIX does not carry the 4000.
Yeah, the guy's an idiot with the RAM. Go with what shadowduck says.
Soooo, I decided to build you a computer for you on NCIX.
I assume since you are on here that you don't mind building. If you do, just have them ship it to me. I'll build it. No, seriously, I would love to. Its always fun to put new things together.
Anyways, I build you this PC on NCIX.
And mind you, its cheaper than their quote, though it doesn't include the 7-8 percent sales tax and shipping that you might have to deal with, it does include a AWESOME 20" widescreen monitor, a AMAZING gaming keyboard, and the best gaming mouse you can buy. So here it is:
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Dual Core Processor Socket AM2 Windsor 2.2GHZ 2X512KB 89W 90NM Retail Box
1 x FREE Age of Empires III
EVGA GeForce 7950 GX2 500MHZ Dual GPU Video Card 1GB 1.2GHZ GDDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDTV Out
OCZ Platinum XTC PC2-6400 2GB 2X1GB DDR2-800 CL4-5-4-15 240PIN DIMM Dual Channel Memory Kit
ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe ATX AM2 Nforce 590 SLI 2PCI-E16 1PCI-E4 1PCI-E1 2PCI SATA2 1394 Moth *IR-$22*
Antec P180 ATX Advanced Mid Tower Aluminum Case 4X5.25 1X3.5 6X3.5INT No PS W/ USB & Audio Ports
Antec True Power 2.0 550W ATX12V V2.0 SLI 120MM Fan Power Supply
Samsung SH-W162 16X DVD+-RW 5X Dual Layer DVD Writer Black /W SW OEM
Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard USB Black Silver LCD Panel Programmable Back Lit Keys
Viewsonic VX2025WM 20IN LCD Monitor BLACK/SILVER Widescreen 1680X1050 8MS 800:1 VGA DVI W/ Cable
Logitech G5 Laser Gaming Mouse 2000DPI USB Bilingual *IR-$17*
All for the price of $2635 CAD.
Yeah, basicly everything I picked out is the best you can buy, other than the processor which you can't get on this site. So, I did my best.
DDay, your ever present friend, and shopper.
P.S. PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE LET ME BUILD IT.
| Quote : Umm. I didn't know that about Quad SLi, but I'll take shadow's word for it. He knows EVERYTHING. |
The second card is actually available. It can't be used with the latest driver updates, but .02 back, and itll work wonders. Regarding building it myself, I don't want to build it. Its not that I dont trust my skills, but I just dont want to deal with it after my last computer.
Just to give you an idea of what I went through. As of now, I'm about to turn 15, so the compy is a birthday gift, as well as a "We promised you every 5 so years a new computer, and you've been nagging..." thing. So about 5 years ago, when my parents offered my first compy, I started looking at parts, and I gave a list to my computer guy, who made changes (half my shit was incompatible/not worth it type shit), so the guy built it and stuff. I was thrilled, and everything went well for a while. Fast forward 2 years, when I had case problems (DONT ASK!), and I got a new case. So while setting shit up, I didnt know where the LEDs and Front USB went, and other stuff, since the Mobo had no map. I ended up wrecking the LEDs, and it put me through hell. I'm now disturbed because of it. Add in the fact that over the course of my life, I've killed MANY procs, mobos, and more, so I want to know that everything works when I get it, and I don;t wanna deal with RMA's. Also, the number of times I;ve cut my had on IDE cables when changing configs, etc. I have no problem with picking parts, but I dont want to assemble it and risk a $800 graphics card.
Back on topic, I've been asking alot of people about this, so this is what I've been told.
Proc. I've been told to get the 4400 I think, since it has the dual 2x1mb cache, as opposed to the other thing. Also, does this config come with like a heat sink or some crap, or something to cool the proc? Also, how quiet is the whole rig going to be. I intend on sleeping on its awesomeness, and I dont wish to be disturbed 
. Also, at what temp is this going to run at? I dont want any overheating on any parts.
Mobo: I think this is the one I read about today, with the WiFi and 32x bus, so I'd definately get this. Hands Down.
RAM: I completely agree with you on this. I dont know why the guy would give me that.
Case: I just finished reading about that case, seems amazing. Hands down boner GET!
PSU: Will the PSU be able to handle dual cards? I thought it needed more. I dont care what you say, I want the ability to add a second card, since its something for wins.
Burner: It burns DVDs. What the hell do I care?
Are you sure that it has enough cooling for 2 cards? I'd be willing to add some of my own money to get the second card, so it wouldnt affect budget.
Whats great is that my dad actually took my kb+mouse, since I had a run in with logitech when I had to RMA my MXDuo, and I didnt like how they sent me an LX700, or the fag model, so my dad is paying me to take the kb+m, so I get to knock another 100 off the total!
The monitor seems quite awesome. Thanks for doing the quote, I'll pass it around.
Well, sucks with all the stuff that's happened to you and building. But can i build it! Please!
OK, I don't really get the whole .2 thing, but really, currently, SLi, or this card, do not provide THAT great an increase in fps. Really, what are you going to be using this for. Gaming I assume? One 7950 is all you will need for the next 2 years. Buy another one when the prices go down. As my friend shadowduck says, if you aren't going to buy another of the same card within 90 days, its cheaper to just get one of them, and then get a nicer card when it comes out. And you can practically be certain that when that new card comes out, it will be faster than 2 of the old ones. Its just the way technology works. So, since one 7950 will hold you out for 2 years, you have no need to worry on this.
Processor I agree you should go 440 if you really want too. Personally because I'm on a budget, I would get a cheaper single core AM2 now, and buy a nice 65 nm dual core once they come out in December. The single core will be plenty fast for games, you just won't be able to multitask as much. Also, as long as it says its in a box, like one of those green AMD boxes, its got a cooler. The cool thing is, is that the stock AMD cooler is pretty good. I personally have gotten a Zalman 9500 for my computer, and you could too. Just make sure to get the new AM2 model.
Mobo: Definetly get that mobo. Its awesome.
Case: Yeah, the p180 is AWESOME. I just wish I had the money for it. Also, yeah, I would recommend if you want to keep this really nice and cool, to get one or two more 120 mm fans for it. Make sure they are quiet, because the rest of this computer will be.
The 550 W Antec should be able to handle all of this fine, even dual cards. Though to be safe if you HAVE to have 2 7950's get a 600 W such as this.
Otherwise, everything seems fine.
DDay
| Quote : Well, sucks with all the stuff that's happened to you and building. But can i build it! Please! |
arent the x2's dual core? I though AMD made dual core procs??11?? The thing about the graphics cards is the fact that my parents are paying for it. I can make it look like its part of the system, they'll foot the bill. If I remove the ram, the total comes to 2400+tax. I can bring it up to say, 3000, foot the bill for the RAM myself, and therefore, have a huge ePenis.
If I had to foot the bill, I would definately not get 2. its because I'm not .
Also, is the 600 PSU modular? Im a stickler for cables.
Yes, the x2's are dual core. But not all AM2 cpu's are dual core. I'm saying buy a cheaper fast single core cpu now, and buy a brand spanking new faster 65nm cpu in December when the 65nm cpu's come out. With Intel, the change to 65 nm bround increases of 30% to their speed. So, your choice. What I'm saying with the cards, is that yeah, you could get them, and make your ePenis grow big and strong, but its completely unneeded, and I'm sure you could let slip how you conserved some money for them. After all, parents always like that.
Also, were you orignally planning on getting a new monitor, keyboard and mouse?
DDay
| Quote : Yes, the x2's are dual core. But not all AM2 cpu's are dual core. I'm saying buy a cheaper fast single core cpu now, and buy a brand spanking new faster 65nm cpu in December when the 65nm cpu's come out. With Intel, the change to 65 nm bround increases of 30% to their speed. So, your choice. What I'm saying with the cards, is that yeah, you could get them, and make your ePenis grow big and strong, but its completely unneeded, and I'm sure you could let slip how you conserved some money for them. After all, parents always like that. |
Actually, I may take your advice, since I could get 4 gigs of ram, which is something I'd definately use.
regarding the new mouse, keyboard, and monitor, I already told you how I'd need a new kb+mouse, and as for the monitor, I have a Samsung 1905 MP or something like that which is brand new, but I can justify using it as a TV since my TV just died, or I can tell my parents that its has DVI, which my other monitor doesnt have.
Do you do Graphics design or rendering or something. Cause if your just gaming 2 GB's may actually be faster than 4.
DDay
And may I commend you on knowing how to milk your parents for all their worth so well. It is an honor to be in your presence.
| Quote : Do you do Graphics design or rendering or something. Cause if your just gaming 2 GB's may actually be faster than 4.
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I do alot of PS and Illustrator work. 'tis quite painful working on my current PC. My good one died, and I havent had money to fix it, so I'm running on a Pentium3 with a ghettoRAID setup of 2x2gb. I intend on learning Maya soon...
The trick is to make up some reason to justify each part. My parents'll ask why I need 4 gigs of RAM, and I'll give em some crap that since games now require 4 gigs of HDD space, I need 4 gigs to run it
| Quote : Pretty smart to release BETA versions of your new OS, let your competition use it, copy it, be dependent on releasing your idea...then pulling it and rewriting the entire program. |
Considering the feature set of Vista is frozen, I am sure MS is going to be a lot of rewriting. 
All I have to say is to not get 64 bit. Its useless. In fact, its a hinderance. Lots of programs don't work, drivers aren't available. So on and so forth. Just don't get it. Its not worth the trouble for the minimal increase in speed.
DDay
If you really want to get a good os, get XP pro sp2. Or mac os x.
Games? Like BF2, which you can't hack very easily. Or Half Life 2. Or maybe just buy a nice 10,000 rpm Raptor or some more drives and put in RAID 5. All up to you. Or you could again, notify your parents that you were thinking of them, when you decided to not go as far as you wanted with your computer. That your always there for them, and so on, and so forth. You don't need to tell them that actually you got everything you could use and need!
DDay
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...ahhh, my achilles heel
| Quote : Its about 4 times the size of a standard mouse pad, since its huge. |
I really don't get that then, isn't the idea of a sooper sensitive mouse that you don't have to move it four times further than a normal mouse?
Now I know I'm only new here, but I'm pleased to see I'm not the only one who thinks this guy is pissing money up the wall.
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