"Dell To Sell More AMD Machines"

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Sources all over Taiwan confirm that Dell is going to launch more AMD based systems, although they would not tell us exactly which lines. You can hide products until launch day, but you have to order parts some time, and there are no secrets in Taiwan.

Either way, expect another big bang announcement from Dell as soon as Wall Street needs to have a shiny thing dangled in front of them as a distraction.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32374

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Maybe the price cuts are good for making AMD media pc's?

I'm not seeing an advantage here.

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Introducing... the new range of DELL Portable Blenders! With Intelligent AI Powered by AMD's newest 200MHz Ultra-Mobile Appliance CPU!

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Introducing... the new range of DELL Portable Blenders! With Intelligent AI Powered by AMD's newest 200MHz Ultra-Mobile Appliance CPU!

Gen 2 (which is still in testing, of course), will come with 1GB of on-board flash memory which will be used to store martini recipe. It is rumored that Dell is releasing a beta firmware update that will allow the blender to pour the beverage, as well.

Reply to angry_ducky

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Introducing... the new range of DELL Portable Blenders! With Intelligent AI Powered by AMD's newest 200MHz Ultra-Mobile Appliance CPU!

Hey, as long as the joy stick is responsive and the LCD slow-mo replays of the bananas and strawberries bouncing off the walls are clear, it'll sell.

Reply to clue69less

Dell's timing doesn't make much sense. On the heels of Conroe, which will give Intel the lead again, they are starting to switch over to more AMD processors!

Perhaps Dell knows something about Conroe that we do not. Perhaps Intel's 45nm process isn't doing so hot and Dell is worried about supply issues...

Reply to TechnologyCoordinator

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Dell's timing doesn't make much sense. On the heels of Conroe, which will give Intel the lead again, they are starting to switch over to more AMD processors!

Perhaps Dell knows something about Conroe that we do not. Perhaps Intel's 45nm process isn't doing so hot and Dell is worried about supply issues...

maybe intel pissed them away

Reply to Mind_Rebuilding

Dell don't buy the best. They buy the cheapest. If intel don't give them prize discounts they ask AMD.

Apple and HP have seen woodcrest and choose it for the best workstations.

Reply to Topota_madre

LOL I guess another sign of being a fanboy is they beleve anything that is in a ultra-credable news sourse like the the inquirer lol

Reply to captaincharisma

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Either way, expect another big bang announcement from Dell as soon as Wall Street needs to have a shiny thing dangled in front of them as a distraction.

Truer words were never spoken by the Inquirer.

Reply to mpjesse

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Either way, expect another big bang announcement from Dell as soon as Wall Street needs to have a shiny thing dangled in front of them as a distraction.

Truer words were never spoken by the Inquirer.

It was probably just a random event, not necessarily intentional or coupled to coherent thought.

Reply to clue69less

Why should they do that with AMDs processors being so vastly inferior?
They got their Opterons for their MP systems, thats all they need...

Reply to Ycon

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Dell's timing doesn't make much sense. On the heels of Conroe, which will give Intel the lead again, they are starting to switch over to more AMD processors!

Perhaps Dell knows something about Conroe that we do not. Perhaps Intel's 45nm process isn't doing so hot and Dell is worried about supply issues...

Maybe Core 2 is saddled with clean machine syndrome, where once you load up 1GB of programs you're using a slow P4. I don't know but the saying is

"If they buy your servers they will buy your desktop."

That's a quote from me BTW.

Reply to BaronMatrix

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Why should they do that with AMDs processors being so vastly inferior?
They got their Opterons for their MP systems, thats all they need...

Vastly inferior to a chip you can't buy? Your name is a good question.

Why CON?

As AM2 mobos go through one or two more revs, you will see more improvements. In some cases maybe just a BIOS flash.

Reply to BaronMatrix

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Sources all over Taiwan confirm that Dell is going to launch more AMD based systems, although they would not tell us exactly which lines. You can hide products until launch day, but you have to order parts some time, and there are no secrets in Taiwan.

Either way, expect another big bang announcement from Dell as soon as Wall Street needs to have a shiny thing dangled in front of them as a distraction.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32374

Ummmm....

What's so surprising about this?

After all Dell does own Alienware, and Alienware does sell AMD PCs. How else would Alienware expand unless it sells more computers, that includes ones based on AMD CPUs.

Reply to jaguarskx

Dell's market (semi- to totally-clueless home users) don't care about the fact that Conroe/Core2 is looking like it's going to pwn up for a few months at least, they care about what Dell sells them.

They are the reason behind the fact HyperThreading is shortened to 'HT Technology', we have 'Centrino Mobile Technology' instead of some processor mods and an 802 card etc...

If the AMD chips are cheaper, and Dell can squeeze a bit more of a profit out of them, then their marketing will have no problems with selling what's going to be an inferior product for a while.

(A magazine that the techiest of Dell users - still not 'proper' enthusiasts - read in this country managed to get away with calling the upcoming Intel chips Memeron and Crusoe this month. Shows how much home users care, I guess)

Reply to mesarectifier

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Maybe Core 2 is saddled with clean machine syndrome, where once you load up 1GB of programs you're using a slow P4.

I see you spreading this FUD around frequently....It's very reminiscent of MMM's favorite catch-phrase about Conroe.....cache-thrashing.

:roll:

PS. Any DELL is loaded with enough Bloatware to degrade performance,
whether it's AMD or Intel.

Reply to 1Tanker

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Dell don't buy the best. They buy the cheapest. If intel don't give them prize discounts they ask AMD.

I sort of feel that this is the situation. First DELL decides to offer Opterons, then Intel says no more OEM discounts. So now, DELL knows AMD is getting worried about Core, and will jump at the chance to supply DELL, (even though they probably can't produce enough chips fast enough for DELL). I think DELL is basically trying to start a "bidding war" between Intel and AMD. They will likely settle(maybe a little down the road) back with Intel inside, and get back some of the discount that Intel denied them. If you think about it, DELL is in a GREAT position right now. :wink:

Reply to 1Tanker

I know I'm one of those "totally clueless home users" that bought a Dell, so I'll conjur up a clueless-type idea... the idea of idea of an FX-62 in an, as usual, tightly cabled, aluminum Dell Metroplex, might not sound disgusting to someone looking for a mid-end, warranty-hav'n office-workstation-machine type cookie-cutter.

Reply to halcyon

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I know I'm one of those "totally clueless home users" that bought a Dell, so I'll conjur up a clueless-type idea... the idea of idea of an FX-62 in an, as usual, tightly cabled, aluminum Dell Metroplex, might not sound disgusting to someone looking for a mid-end, warranty-hav'n office-workstation-machine type cookie-cutter.

That's not my kind of idea... Hey, it's easy to be down on Dells or any other cook-by-number mail order PC but I think they have gotten better. We got our kids Dell laptops a couple of years ago and they still run fine. I do have to spend quite a bit of time maintaining them but I'm guessing that's because they get adware from places like wimp and funnyjunk. So I do pest patrol and other anti-spywares, clean up their hard drives, defrag, etc. Thing is, they get the job done and are capable machines for their homework and web research. I goosed up the RAM as high as they could go (512) but they are not good gaming laptops...

My dad also has a Dell and it's been fine. I go through it twice a year and it chugs along. Every now and then something slips past his econdom and he'll need help getting it running again but the box is sound and that's all he needs. He surfs, emails and plays card games on it. But with those and a million other success stories, I still wouldn't buy one for myself. It's too much fun to select the parts, do the case mods, assemble the parts and get it running. Why pay someone at Dell to do what I can do better for less money?

Reply to clue69less

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Why should they do that with AMDs processors being so vastly inferior?
They got their Opterons for their MP systems, thats all they need...

K8 is inferior to netburst? :lol:

Core is not yet available for retail sale; if we really want to talk about what the future holds, OMG K8LZ IS LIEK TEH GREATEST!!1 :wink:

Reply to Heyyou27

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I know I'm one of those "totally clueless home users" that bought a Dell, so I'll conjur up a clueless-type idea... the idea of idea of an FX-62 in an, as usual, tightly cabled, aluminum Dell Metroplex, might not sound disgusting to someone looking for a mid-end, warranty-hav'n office-workstation-machine type cookie-cutter.

That's not my kind of idea... Hey, it's easy to be down on Dells or any other cook-by-number mail order PC but I think they have gotten better. We got our kids Dell laptops a couple of years ago and they still run fine. I do have to spend quite a bit of time maintaining them but I'm guessing that's because they get adware from places like wimp and funnyjunk. So I do pest patrol and other anti-spywares, clean up their hard drives, defrag, etc. Thing is, they get the job done and are capable machines for their homework and web research. I goosed up the RAM as high as they could go (512) but they are not good gaming laptops...

My dad also has a Dell and it's been fine. I go through it twice a year and it chugs along. Every now and then something slips past his econdom and he'll need help getting it running again but the box is sound and that's all he needs. He surfs, emails and plays card games on it. But with those and a million other success stories, I still wouldn't buy one for myself. It's too much fun to select the parts, do the case mods, assemble the parts and get it running. Why pay someone at Dell to do what I can do better for less money?

Amen to that last sentence! The only reason I went Dell this past December is because it was actually cheaper to get that rig from them than to build it myself. I really re-discovered how much fun it is to build my own rig...so now I've got two AMD rigs...one's a piece of furniture and the other is doing no more, basically, than being a big iPod. ...but it was fun. ...too bad I can't get really interested in gaming, I try, but I'd much rather be discovering/re-discovering music after 8 hours @ the office...but if I got into gaming...then I'd have a valid excuse to build a QFiH nice rig.

Reply to halcyon

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...too bad I can't get really interested in gaming, I try, but I'd much rather be discovering/re-discovering music after 8 hours @ the office...but if I got into gaming...then I'd have a valid excuse to build a QFiH nice rig.

I hear you. I'm not a big-time gamer myself. I occasionally do a flight sim or kill a few on COD2, but I mostly got into the gameing side of PCs so my kids could have better performance. My own rig is set up to do audio and video editing and digital imaging. It has an 1800XT, 4400+, 2GB DDR500, etc., so it runs even Oblivion well enough for me, but doesn't bench nearly as well as our gameing box that runs DFI3200/Opty 170/1900XT Xfire/2GB DDR500. It's been an interesting process for me, coming from the digital imaging side and using Macs for a long time. But to get back to your angle, having a capable rig to set up a music archive on is really bonus. I've been a music colector for a long time but didn't get into setting up the majority of library on MP3 till last year. I picked up a big NAS drive and ripped CDs seemingly forever. The kids have been benefitting from it too and it's cool to see them working through the library.

Reply to clue69less

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I know I'm one of those "totally clueless home users" that bought a Dell, so I'll conjur up a clueless-type idea... the idea of idea of an FX-62 in an, as usual, tightly cabled, aluminum Dell Metroplex, might not sound disgusting to someone looking for a mid-end, warranty-hav'n office-workstation-machine type cookie-cutter.

Hey, i wasn't
meaning to "put down" DELL owners/buyers, just commenting on the crappola that comes with the nice low price tag. I was trying to get my dad to get a cheap DELL(he just surf's a little, e-mails,and some word-processing), but since they're saving to got to Florida in Winter '07, we had to buy him some parts little-by-little to keep under my mom's RADAR. We got him a celeron 340 and MachSpeed P4M800 mobo from
Tiger Direct for(after rebate) $85CAD . He's happy, and it WAS cheap. :wink:

Reply to 1Tanker

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...Let's start out with the question of what happened, basically Dell picked up a very small line of AMD parts, 4S servers. If server parts are about 10 per cent of x86 CPUs sold, and 4S servers are about ten per cent of that, this leaves the deal with a piddling one per cent of the x86 market. We hear that ten per cent of server sales is worth 30 per cent of the server revenue, not a small amount by anyone's standards. Still, its loss won't break Intel by any means. AMD will get a nice kick in the bottom line. But, let's face it, they bought their Ferraris long ago anyway.

The biggest net effect of the deal was psychological. You could almost hear the Wall Street monkeys peeing themselves as they ran around in circles bumping their heads into things, laughing maniacally. They utterly failed to explain it, and from everything I read, those that did try were flat out wrong.

The explanations they came out with were that AMD was going to continue to steamroller Intel for the next few decades, but the Woodcrest numbers threw cold water on that plan. Their mouths were foamy at the idea of K8L, but again, that's a year out. Intel production limited? That is a six-month thing, not nearly enough for Dell to make a switch, much less jeopardize the billions that Intel funnels its way to keep that upstart HP in place.

Dell was comfy, and if it had to sling dull boxes at a few fewer-than-anticipated numbers for two more quarters, it was worth it for the preferential treatment they got for being 100 per cent Intel.

The rabid conspiracy people also brought up the lawsuit, and this has a grain of truth to it, but not for the reasons that anyone I ever read up on mentioned. The problem here is that AMD forced Intel's hand with the lawsuit, and the result was that all-out war on Dell I mentioned. Yes, the industry-shaking news was that Intel is pricing fairly. Oh the shock and horror. What's next, their sales reps having to tow the official line on fair play?

Think about this for a minute, Dell has always got the best deals, got the best CPUs at the most favorable timing. For Intel, there was Dell and others, with little mom-and-pop outfits like IBM and HP being lumped in with Eugene's Bait, Yarn and CPU Discount Warehouse. This is the main reason Dell could hammer everyone into the ground, it got such preferential pricing on the most expensive component of said dull black boxes that if everyone else matched everything else, they would still win.

Make no mistake about it, when Intel cut this out, it gutted Dell. Apple is the new darling at Intel, while it also makes black boxes, it also makes prettier white ones that go better on stage, and Otellini's kids were probably pestering him for iPods. Dell is in deep trouble, it has no R&D, and HP can now match it on price.

The jump to AMD was not a market shift, or a large signal of upcoming CPU supremacy in any way, shape or form. It was simply a backhand to Intel for screwing them. If you look at the flailing on Wall Street over this, it seems to have worked, Dell and AMD stock up, Intel down. I'll bet that pissed off Intel financial types.

...All of the rumblings I have heard say that AMD knows where the bodies are buried, and this summer should have some fairly colourful anecdotes surfacing. Are these whispers actionable? Damn good question. Either way, based on the way Intel is reacting, it looks like it is trying to blunt any judgment against it with the age-old 'we don't do that anymore' excuse. Ending blatant favoritism is a good start, and pre-emptively doing it is one hell of a chunk of plausible deniability, and plays well to semi-educated jurors.

So, this momentous technology announcement is nothing more than a grumpy backhand from Dell with love to Intel. Why did Intel do it? AMDs lawyers. What does AMD gain? A level playing field* and some headlines.

http://theinquirer.net/?article=32419

Reply to 9-inch

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Sources all over Taiwan confirm that Dell is going to launch more AMD based systems, although they would not tell us exactly which lines. You can hide products until launch day, but you have to order parts some time, and there are no secrets in Taiwan.

Either way, expect another big bang announcement from Dell as soon as Wall Street needs to have a shiny thing dangled in front of them as a distraction.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32374
....and towards the bottom of the page, charlie gave us his honest opinion:

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The jump to AMD was not a market shift, or a large signal of upcoming CPU supremacy in any way, shape or form. It was simply a backhand to Intel for screwing them. If you look at the flailing on Wall Street over this, it seems to have worked, Dell and AMD stock up, Intel down. I'll bet that pissed off Intel financial types.

dell's switch to AMD wasn't a marketing, or financial, or technological decision. it was purely playing 3rd graders games with intel.
"omg you stepped on my left foot! i'm gonna step on your right foot!"

Reply to viperabyss

Still, 'honest opinion' from the Inq contains about as much fact as a David Icke book.

Reply to mesarectifier

Dell don't want to sell AMD PCs, dell wants Intel disscounts. But Intel have HP and Apple to sell PC and they don't need Dell.

Reply to Topota_madre

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Dell don't want to sell AMD PCs, dell wants Intel disscounts. But Intel have HP and Apple to sell PC and they don't need Dell.

To tell you the truth, I think Intel wants it all. And right now, I believe that they need Dell.

Reply to clue69less

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Either way, expect another big bang announcement from Dell as soon as Wall Street needs to have a shiny thing dangled in front of them as a distraction.

Truer words were never spoken by the Inquirer. :lol:

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Maybe Core 2 is saddled with clean machine syndrome, where once you load up 1GB of programs you're using a slow P4.

I see you spreading this FUD around frequently....It's very reminiscent of MMM's favorite catch-phrase about Conroe.....cache-thrashing.

:roll:

PS. Any DELL is loaded with enough Bloatware to degrade performance,
whether it's AMD or Intel. A dell is still s dell.(menaing it has sh*tty customer support)

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Why should they do that with AMDs processors being so vastly inferior?
They got their Opterons for their MP systems, thats all they need...

K8 is inferior to netburst? :lol:

Core is not yet available for retail sale; if we really want to talk about what the future holds, OMG K8LZ IS LIEK TEH GREATEST!!1 :wink: Whoever says that deserves to be slapped.

Reply to dvdpiddy

With Dell tempting the fates by angering Intel, will there be more Conroe available to the average Joe. Hopefully Intel won't give as much preference in supply and/or price to Dell.

Reply to xcetera

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With Dell tempting the fates by angering Intel, will there be more Conroe available to the average Joe. Hopefully Intel won't give as much preference in supply and/or price to Dell.

*crosses fingers*

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