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DX is short for DirectX. Currently all video cards only support DirectX 9. When the DirectX 10 cards come out (about the same time as vista most likely) they will have many new features. Including Shader Model 4.0
Just take a look at the game Crysis and you'll see what I mean.

DX is short for DirectX. Currently all video cards only support DirectX 9. When the DirectX 10 cards come out (about the same time as vista most likely) they will have many new features. Including Shader Model 4.0
Just take a look at the game Crysis and you'll see what I mean.

Really? hmmm, I'm not sure if Crysis requires a DX10 card for incredible effects. During E3 I talked to the guy running a demo of crysis in the MS booth and he said it was running off a Dell PC you could get off the market today. But indeed the effects on crysis are amazing (especially the carrier boss battle). It was pretty damn close to modern CG in terms of effects.

The carrier scene was DX10 from what I've heard. While some of the jungle demos were running on X1900s. Which is not a DirectX 10 card. It still looks good, but the game is supposed to look even better and have better physics with DirectX 10.

I would've loved to have gone to E3. But LA is a long ways from Tampa, Florida.

okay i have a series of questions and i just hope someone can help me out here. im new at over clocking

i bought the combo at frys with the RC410L/800-M 2.0 with the intel 805

i was wondering how do you overclock step by step?

also i was wondering what else should i add to my setup..BE SPECIFIC(specific name of product with link)

Motherboard: RC410L/800-M 2.0

Cpu: Intel Pentium d 805

RAMdr2 corsair valueselect 512mb pc-4200

Powersupply: Ultra 500w

HDD: 1x 80Gb Maxtor
1x Seagate Baracuda 160gb

Video Card: EVGa GeForce 7600gt

NEC ND3550a 16x dvd+r

Thanks

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Power Consumption

Using my Kill-A-Watt power meter, I measured the power consumption of the X2 system and the Pentium D system at idle and load. To make it even, I removed the Geforce 7800GT from the X2 system and installed it on the Pentium D system.

Power Consumption - Idle , Load watts
AMD X2 3800+ (stock w/CNQ) 97w / 149w
AMD X2 3800+ @ 2.5ghz 113w / 185w
Intel Pentium D 805 (stock) 138w / 214w
Intel Pentium D 805 @ 3.9 ghz 173w / 298w

The overclocked Pentium D is one hungry processor. As you can see, AMD clearly has the advantage when it comes to your electricity bill, but how much of an advantage? If my math serves me correctly, the chart below is representative of the cost of ownership. I'm going by the national average of $0.09 a kilowatt per hour. Usage is 8 hours per day. Let's face it, no one is going to run their computer at full load or leave it idle all the time, so, I'm going to average out the idle and load power consumption. I won't bore you with the calculations, but just know that it's right .

Cost of ownership
............. D805 (stck) / X2 3800(stck) / D805@3.9ghz /X2 3800+@2.5ghz
Cost of processor $132 / $295 / $132 / $295
Cost per month $3.80 / $2.65 / $5.09 / $3.21
Cost per year $45.60 / $31.80 / $61.08 / $38.52

So what does this mean? From a stock perspective, in order for the cost of ownership to be the same, it would take 11 years and 8 months. From an overclocked perspective, it would take 7 years and 2 months for the cost of ownership to be the same. In my opinion, the costs of ownership is irrelevant as I don't keep my hardware for more than 5 years, and that's stretching it. To each his own.

*Load temps and power consumption were measured with Prime 95 running on both cores. Idle temps and power consumption were measured after 15 minutes of inactivity. Asus PC Probe was used to monitor the temperatures. Testing was done in an open air environment. Ambient temps were 22C.

*The AMD X2 uses a Zalman CNPS9500 for cooling. The Pentium D 805 uses a Scythe Ninja 1000 w/Silverstone FN121 for cooling. For those that think the X2 uses an inferior heatsink, you are wrong from a performance standpoint. They perform the same with the Zalman at full fan speed, although the combination of the Ninja and FN121 fan is much quieter and also cheaper.

ya i'm just looking at the crysis pics right now. me i think Windows should have been 64 bit along time ago. 64 bit computing has been out for years. As far as Intel goes, it looks like may be they're finally starting to do something again. The new roadmap that came out a few months ago looks great. After the P4 3.2 came out a several yrs ago it seems like innovation at Intel just died. Prior to that they used to come out with faster and faster chips almost quarterly as well as regular and consistant price drops for the older ones.

In the mean time AMD has really taken off. I think it's important that people realize they can no longer think of processors in terms of of raw speed (like one used to be able to), and learn to learn what all the different technologies that go into a chip are and what they do. You have to think in terms of architechture of the chips these days and check independent sources like THG to get a really good handle on what any given piece of hardware can really do.
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icbiuscrn.... isn't it about 10 cents per kw/h? If so, wouldn't you multiply... say.... 400w..... so .4*30*24*.1 .4=400W-30=number of days per month-24=number of hours per day- .1=total per kw/h..... if that is the case wouldn't a Pentium D @ 300W cost roughly $21.6 per month? Maybe I am messing up in this calculation... but I thought it was on the money.... at the same time the X2 3800 @ 290 W would cost about $13.68 to run all month.... both at load of course... if my math is off please let me know.... but it seems correct to me.

weskurtz81 - now that amd user have what intel sort of already had... with smoother multitasking... now that 2 to 3 percent doesn't even matter. thanks to dual core. thanks for pointing out the obvious... you can reuse the water system in a new system. i doubt most people would just dump the water cooling system after... and ummmm, most people don't run their computer 24/7 at full load. what are you doing, running full cpu loading tests 24/7? so right there, that's already kind of getting out of line and inaccurate in a real world situation. that brings the gap down a lot i would imagine. oh and you can reuse the ddr 2 ram in future systems. another plus. as for the support of conroe, i guess we'll have to wait and see on that one. (so that people don't get "misinformed" )

why can't people wait? i doubt most of these people, except the fun projects really need to go out and buy a computer right this second.

The 805 gets hot and loads the VRM allot when overclocked, but cheap.

Conroe is going to turn the tables here. Newer stepings are getting even better TDP numbers.

I want a 805 to play with, but...must...save...CONROE!

okay i have a series of questions and i just hope someone can help me out here. im new at over clocking

i bought the combo at frys with the RC410L/800-M 2.0 with the intel 805

i was wondering how do you overclock step by step?

also i was wondering what else should i add to my setup..BE SPECIFIC(specific name of product with link)

Motherboard: RC410L/800-M 2.0

Cpu: Intel Pentium d 805

RAMdr2 corsair valueselect 512mb pc-4200

Powersupply: Ultra 500w

HDD: 1x 80Gb Maxtor
1x Seagate Baracuda 160gb

Video Card: EVGa GeForce 7600gt

NEC ND3550a 16x dvd+r

Thanks

here is the thing though.... it is still an expense for a water cooling setup... in my situation, I have never owned a system that needed one, even with the max oc in the equation. And you are correct, you can reuse a water cooling system... but, you cannot leave the initial cost out of the equation.... if you don't currently own a water cooling system... and want a dual core Intel system.... I would think the better purchase would be the 930 for only about 65-75$ more than the 805.... and hit that OC on air.... and when you feel like it.... buy a water cooling system.... otherwise... without it the 805 will have a hard time over 4ghz..... that is all I really meant about the $$ spent on a water cooling system. I am not sure if you know what folding is.... but I run my system at load 24/7..... 2 instances of folding.... that is my choice.... but since i choose to do that, the power consumption is also a factor for me.... I guess I like to justify spending money on a computer.... and at least have something for it to keep busy on.... also.... keep in mind most people leave computers running 24/7, maybe not at load.... but idle.... so, that in mind... an 805 idling @ 200+ watts is going to run you about $15 a month.... my system OC'ed with 2 7800gtx's only idles at 189W. But I also have 5 HDD's and 2 optical drives.... take out the gtx and it idles lower, set it up like the other system.... the 805 test system... with 1 HDD.... lower still.... closer to 130-150W..... roughly 25% less energy consumption at idle..... makes a difference to me..... obviously not everyone though. I am not really sure where the Ram comment came from, I don't think I mentioned anything about ram.....
I am not sure if you were meaning to be a smart a$$ or not... so I will assume you weren't.... you can clarify on your next post.

1st thing is hope you got rid of the stock thermal pad. I even recomend lapping the hsf and cpu.
Well you have one option only thats fsb adjustment under cnp adjustement. change front side bus by using the + key. I suspect you wont be able to get over 165. at least stable you wont. adjust it +4 steps at a time and run prime x2 or cpu burn x2 and even aprogram like 3dmark06 till it crashes or till you cant load windows anymore. When it does crash, back of the fsb by 7 and you should be good.

i have had three and #1 3.33ghz max #2 3.4ghz #3 my current set up was solid at 3.5ghz . so you should be in this range.

Agree on the first point. We get your point, Zdude. Let it rest.

Secondly, that's exactly what I'm doing. I priced a system recently with top of the line components at around $1900 based on an Athlon 4200 I think, but then I read this article and changed my mind. Here's what I've got so far:

Pentium 805 @ $145 (shipping and tax bite but hey, still hella cheap and I'm not gonna quibble over $15), Gigabyte GA-8N-SLI @ $120, and 2gb Patriot DDR2 667 at $170. So, $435 so far. Add in another $300 for a 7900 GT = $735. New Silverstone tower = $120, and an Antec Truepower 480 is $80, so I'm at $935.

I planned on getting the new 150gb Raptor (or two) but I can wait on that and simply chuck in my existing 2x36gb Raptor RAID 0 and Maxtor 80gb setup to start, plus my Audigy2 and existing opticals (Dual DVD burner and CD writer) and I'm golden. Oh yeah, and a new cooler for $40 and I'm still under $1k.

Best part? I'm still stoked that I can increase my video performance with SLI, so I'll add in another 7900 GT in a month or so, and then maybe a few months later I'll drop $500 for that new dually Raptor setup I want. And then if I feel like I'm lagging in CPU performance or that OC-ing the shit out of that poor little 2.66ghz proc isn't worth it anymore, I can upgrade that as well.

I'm stoked to be building this system. I regularly use PS, Vegas Video, and DVD Shrink, and I play graphix intense late game titles plus web surfing etc. This system will rock, and it's heart will be a cheap-ass proc. Can't beat that, IMHO.

I am curious of one thing.... how is the X2 4200 system so different that is cost more than $900 more to build.... and in all honesty.... if you were to build AMD you would be better going with an Opteron 165.... still.... that is only $200 more max than your current system.... the 4200 is only $350 ish.... which is still on about $225 more.... so.... really.... I guess where did the extra $675 come from?

honestly I think you need to read the article more closely. i'm pretty nooby when it comes to overclocking but they DO explain it step by step in the article -_-