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"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
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> I'm thinking some people in the IT community needs to get together and
> coordinate these various contact lists. I have a sneaking suspicion that
> they are going to bloom everywhere and they really should be synched.
> Frustrating enough to try and find loved ones in this situation without
> adding the extra burden of finding out how many Contact Lists are out
there
> and how to get to them.

Microsoft may be working on that already as part of their larger plan.

"Three of our senior technologists have been deployed
to Red Cross operations in Washington, DC,
to work in partnership with Intel, Cisco, and SBC Communications
on a technology plan to assist the relief operation.
This plan will help to support the 240 relief centers."

http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/ci [...] relief.asp

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I know all I need to know after stuffing stinky tar & rotting rubber
into 150 industrial strength garbage bags! Try it & see whether you
still side with looters, brigands, & Al-Qaida roofers!


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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
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| PCR wrote:
| > I only said the looting afterwards stinks. Some of the actual
victims
| > are getting victimized twice that way!
|
| It will all be written off as storm damage. Most of the food would
have
| just rotten anyway. Better looting food and water than having an even
| higher death toll.
|
| So I hope one day you find out for yourself.
|
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Foo! I wouldn't shoot to kill, as Louisiana's good governor has
threatened to do! I just want them to rebuild the prisons first!

NATURALLY, the real victims there should be helped, though. I think two
presidents have been dispatched now to collect a billion for that. Let's
hope the oil companies pitch in.


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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
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| PCR wrote:
| > I know all I need to know after stuffing stinky tar & rotting rubber
| > into 150 industrial strength garbage bags! Try it & see whether you
| > still side with looters, brigands, & Al-Qaida roofers!
|
| That you think the dispossessed of New Orleans are terrorists, that
says
| a lot about you. Again Karma comes to mind.
|
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Murder, stabbing, raping New Orleaners of any color should be
imprisoned, whether dispossessed or no, & victims of any color, even
propertied ones, should be rescued, Candy! But it takes time!


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"David Candy" <.> wrote in message
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They are black, they are dispossessed, and as it is clear they were not
only left behind but noone has come to get them. Whites (at least thoose
from Australia) have been removed from the stadium under armed guard and
moved to a hotel (which has no food or water as well) for their own
safety.

Who can blame them? They know exactly how much they belong.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com. [...] 03,00.html
In a brief telephone call, John told his father, businessman Peter
McNeil, of chaos and lawlessness in the Superdome, where more than
20,000 refugees sought shelter after the hurricane.

"He saw murders, stabbings and rapes in there," Mr McNeil said.

Mr McNeil said about 100 military personnel and police in the dome were
struggling to cope with the huge crowd.









"It was just getting worse by the hour and there were gangs in there who
were killing each other," he said.

Mr McNeil claimed African Americans in the Superdome had abused foreign
tourists and demanded they be rescued ahead of them from the crowded
football stadium, where conditions were stifling.

The 60 foreign tourists were escorted from the Superdome by military
personnel. They spent one night at a medical aid post in a nearby
building before they were moved to the Hilton.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/a [...] 38966.html
They were tourists who became refugees, bewildered at the disintegration
of the city and the humans around them: women giving birth in squalor,
deaths, rapes and assaults, a suicide.

They have little food or water, have not bathed, and their safety is as
uncertain as the future of the city itself. For Australians trapped in
New Orleans there is only one way to describe the fetid, anarchic
wasteland around them.

"It hell here," wrote Yasmin Bright, 22, a traveller from Newcastle and
one of several Australians trapped when Katrina hit and who have since
endured days in the desperate refugee camp at the Superdome.

Ms Bright and other foreigners, including about 10 Australians, have now
been moved to nearby hotels amid fears for their safety. They were a
tiny minority among thousands of angry locals who apparently believed
the tourists might be given preferential treatment.

A Brisbane man, John McNeil, rang his father, Peter, yesterday and said
the foreigners had been escorted from the Superdome under armed guard.

"The situation in the Dome was so bad they were under threat of murder,"
Mr McNeil said, adding that his 22-year-old son had told him of at least
one rape, as well as stabbings, fights and bashings. One man committed
suicide.

The 60 foreigners, Mr McNeil said, had to huddle together at night for
safety. "If they had integrated they were dead. There's no law. It's
absolute, total chaos."

Like Yasmin Bright, Mr McNeil was awaiting evacuation by bus to Houston,
Texas. "John told me he's just had enough," his father said. "He sounded
distressed … and I think he's very scared."

In her email to the Herald, sent from a handheld device, Ms Bright said
there were "a heap of us stuck in the Hyatt" and asked: "Do you know of
any plans for us?"

In Newcastle yesterday her mother, Barbara, said Ms Bright had made a
brief call home. She had also sent her family an email, describing
"dangerous and dodgy" conditions.

While still at the Superdome, she and other foreigners had stuck
together, playing cards, music on a harmonica and a guitar, and "talking
about what they would like to eat". Ms Bright had even witnessed a
birth.

Conditions were slightly better at the Hyatt. "There's even a bit of
electricity there, but still no running water or toilets."

The tourists were now waiting to be moved to Houston.


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"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
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> Foo! I wouldn't shoot to kill, as Louisiana's good governor has
> threatened to do! I just want them to rebuild the prisons first!
>
> NATURALLY, the real victims there should be helped, though. I think
two
> presidents have been dispatched now to collect a billion for that.
Let's
> hope the oil companies pitch in.
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
message
> news:esVB33$rFHA.908@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> | PCR wrote:
> | > I know all I need to know after stuffing stinky tar & rotting
rubber
> | > into 150 industrial strength garbage bags! Try it & see whether
you
> | > still side with looters, brigands, & Al-Qaida roofers!
> |
> | That you think the dispossessed of New Orleans are terrorists, that
> says
> | a lot about you. Again Karma comes to mind.
> |
> | --
> | Peace!
> | Kurt
> | Self-anointed Moderator
> | microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> | http://microscum.com/mscommunity
> | "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> | "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
> |
> |
>
>

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> Shoot a few. Word gets around. Problem solved.

Naw, shoot 'em all. No word to get round. Problem eliminated. <g>

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> Better yet, shoot the reporters and then let them shoot each other :-)

Well - there's a problem there; They might start shooting innocent people
too. :-? Otherwise that would be perfect. Maybe test a Nuclear Bomb? <g>

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In article <eBA5TwRsFHA.1172@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>,
dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> I'm not much of a fan of the the Mass Media, but in this case, they
> saved lives, and deserve praise.

The press didn't save anyone - they flew over top of them, gawking,
increasing ratings by showing the worst of the worst, by showing people
in need in the worst conditions. Did they drop water to anyone - NO. Did
they drop any supplies to anyone - NO. The press was down there just
like for OJ and Michael Jackson - to increase ratings. Since they only
had to bring a couple people with them to start the broadcasting, they
were there quickly, and in time to save people before the government,
but they didn't do anything to help.

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In article <#B5FVaWsFHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> Leythos wrote:
> > In article <eBA5TwRsFHA.1172@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>,
> > dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> >> I'm not much of a fan of the the Mass Media, but in this case, they
> >> saved lives, and deserve praise.
> >
> > The press didn't save anyone - they flew over top of them, gawking,
> > increasing ratings by showing the worst of the worst, by showing
> > people in need in the worst conditions.
>
> You do know that their was one pool helicopter flying over NO, don't ya?
> And when they saw people hanging out on roofs, they contacted the Coast
> Guard to let them know.

Sorry, more than one media chopper was there - you could see shots of
other, non-coast guard/military choppers, in some shots, so I don't
believe it was just one chopper for the media.

> > Did they drop water to anyone
> > - NO.
>
> That's not their job, and they did give water when they could. It was
> just ONE helicopter.

So, as Americans, humans, people, their JOB is to fly around while
people are in dire need and not help them - sounds just like an excuse
for I'm here to make a buck off your suffering and I'm not really human
so I don't have to help you.

> > Did they drop any supplies to anyone - NO. The press was down
> > there just like for OJ and Michael Jackson - to increase ratings.
> > Since they only had to bring a couple people with them to start the
> > broadcasting, they were there quickly, and in time to save people
> > before the government, but they didn't do anything to help.
>
> If it wasn't for the press and there pictures of the people on roofs,
> people at the convention center, on highway overpasses, reporting about
> the deteriorating conditions in the hospitals . . . . more people would
> have died. Why? If it wasn't for those pictures there would still be
> tens of thousands of people in NO waiting for the troops to arrive.

BS - I don't believe it for an instant. In fact, the Media portrayal of
what was happening in N/O cause more harm than good. Imagine how many
people are going to NOT GIVE donations because all they see on CNN for
days is the looting and looting reports.....

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I'm not a full-fledged proponent of shooting any of them quite yet,
unless positively caught in the act. BUT, if the good governor should do
it, I cannot oppose her, either, not at this point in my deliberations.


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"Paul Knudsen" <bigkahuna@jupada.com> wrote in message
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| On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 00:04:30 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:
|
| >I only said the looting afterwards stinks. Some of the actual victims
| >are getting victimized twice that way!
|
| Shoot a few. Word gets around. Problem solved.
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"Moonraker" <moonraker@home.com> wrote in
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> As some may already know I live in England, and thankfully we do
> not get weather like what you do.
>
> As I do not have cable I only got to see coverage from the news,
> my heart goes out to all affected, I had no idea that NO was
> protected by levees,
>
>
Much of New Orleans is below sea level, below the level of the
adjacent Mississippi River, below the level of the adjacent Lake
Pontchartrain, at regular risk of hurricanes. Sounds like a
disaster waiting to happen.

Obviously I don't mena to imply any lack pf sympathy for victims,
but I wonder about the recovery plan. Will building bigger levees
really solve the problem, especially given the predicted rises of
sea level over the next few decades...?

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Two problems with your thoughts: If you arrest them what do you do with
them? No jail available, it was under water.
If you shoot them in the leg, who treats them? No one was available to
treat the sick and injured. Adding 'wounded' would just make matters worse.
If they were taking food and medicine - OK? Unless they were dopies
after narcotics. How does one know whether they were after insulin, heart
medicine or narcotics?
In my opinion it was like crying wolf too often. Some had evacuated
several times in the past and no hurricane came. Everyone thought that
Katrina was going into the Florida Panhandle so they didn't evacuate, and
then Mama Nature learned how to make a left turn! It actually hit into the
Biloxi, MS area.
The problem in NO was not the Hurricane itself. It was 30 hrs later when
the levees gave away in 2 places. The storm did destroy the causeway and
some other roads. That left only one road in and out of town.
The theory was if you shoot and kill several of the 'bad' looters, the
rest might think twice.
The problem was exacerbated when nobody stepped forward and took charge.
The Mayor was somewhere whining and the Governor was in Baton Rouge wringing
her hands. This was magnified by the fact that there was absolutely no
communication available. Each individual cop was on his own. It was reported
that 200 cops left their duties to take care of their own. Was that Proper?
It wasn't, UNLESS it was YOUR family!
The planning stunk. Why did they not have satellite phones. Radios and
cell phones were out. In essence you had a great big monster with no head!

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"Moonraker" <moonraker@home.com> wrote in message
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> As some may already know I live in England, and thankfully we do not get
> weather like what you do.
>
> As I do not have cable I only got to see coverage from the news, my heart
> goes out to all affected, I had no idea that NO was protected by levees,
>
> Having read the posts on this thread, (as I was the originator) I have a
> few
> thoughts.
>
> Is it necessary to be unpleasant to each other, and does it help anyone to
> do so.
>
> Coming from England, where I think we are better off without "guns", why
> kill anyone for trying to survive, and if people are just plain looting
> for
> profit, why not shot them in the legs or something and arrest them.
>
> I do not understand, as Katrina was heading for land I saw mr bush on the
> news telling people to get out of town, Why did they not send in enough of
> your yellow school buses to get those out whom did not have the means,
> They
> could have commandeered to trains and private bus companies to move people
> out and paid the companies after from government "coffers"
>
> I know it would not be easy, as it is a huge task if you take the old,
> young
> and the sick from hospital, but SOMETHING could have been done.
>

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So that's the way the United States looks to you, eh? Please allow
me to make a rather important point. You see, there is a thing here
that we cherish, and it's called a constitution...study your history
and you'll see how it came about, your country played a big part
in it.

That constitution gives us freedom, which was obtained and
defended with guns, so they are a vital part of our society. With
no guns we would have had to pay your outrageous tax on tea. And
that freedom we hold very dear, it allows us to made decisions for
ourselves. If we choose to stay in our home, we can do so.

President Bush, or mr. bush as you refer to him, did not make
the decision to evacuate New Orleans, it was not a dictatorial
thing...we are a democracy, but rather a judgment by weather
experts that things weren't looking too good. Based upon that,
you have the city, the county, and the state governments who
were responsible for the safety and well being of the people, and
they are ultimately the ones who will be held responsible for all
the mayhem and death, for they failed miserably to do their jobs.
You won't see it presented that way in the "media" so let me give
you one more bit of advice, don't assume that the "media" will
present a balanced or accurate account of events, especially when
those responsible for the news are doing everything they can to
oust W.


"Moonraker" <moonraker@home.com> wrote in message
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| As some may already know I live in England, and thankfully we do not get
| weather like what you do.
|
| As I do not have cable I only got to see coverage from the news, my heart
| goes out to all affected, I had no idea that NO was protected by levees,
|
| Having read the posts on this thread, (as I was the originator) I have a
few
| thoughts.
|
| Is it necessary to be unpleasant to each other, and does it help anyone to
| do so.
|
| Coming from England, where I think we are better off without "guns", why
| kill anyone for trying to survive, and if people are just plain looting
for
| profit, why not shot them in the legs or something and arrest them.
|
| I do not understand, as Katrina was heading for land I saw mr bush on the
| news telling people to get out of town, Why did they not send in enough of
| your yellow school buses to get those out whom did not have the means,
They
| could have commandeered to trains and private bus companies to move people
| out and paid the companies after from government "coffers"
|
| I know it would not be easy, as it is a huge task if you take the old,
young
| and the sick from hospital, but SOMETHING could have been done.
|
|
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:#hnoQ1YsFHA.1864@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| > I'm not a full-fledged proponent of shooting any of them quite yet,
| > unless positively caught in the act. BUT, if the good governor should do
| > it, I cannot oppose her, either, not at this point in my deliberations.
| >
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > "Paul Knudsen" <bigkahuna@jupada.com> wrote in message
| > news:bnkkh15jen1sg5u0818tqvudvi93n3cg4m@4ax.com...
| > | On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 00:04:30 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:
| > |
| > | >I only said the looting afterwards stinks. Some of the actual victims
| > | >are getting victimized twice that way!
| > |
| > | Shoot a few. Word gets around. Problem solved.
| > | --
| > | Top 10 Conservative Idiots:
| > | http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/
| >
| >
|
|

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In article <eYLYdvZsFHA.2008@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>, grystnews@mvps.org
says...
> These are indeed questions that need to be answered. You're talking about a
> logistical nightmare, but it should have been better planned and executed,
> especially with the amount of funds supposedly spent on "Disaster
> Preparedness" in case of "Terrorist Attack" that's been spent in the last
> four years.

there in lies the problem - it's not part of Home Land Defense to plan
for a levy breaking in some state somewhere. It's the responsibility of
the state and local government to ensure that they bridges, levies,
structures, roads, etc... are taken care of - even without Federal
funds.

Did all of you miss that this was expected every year for the last 30
years?


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In article <ehJGMnbsFHA.1256@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>, p51mustang[threeX12]
@xxxhotmail.calm says...
> Building new and improved levees may be the job of the Army
> Corp of Engineers, but it is the job of the city to inspect
> the dirt levees for animal and other damage. That the fact
> is that the levees broke in only two places says to me that
> it was a spot problem that should have been detected by the
> city inspectors BEFORE the storm perhaps weeks in advance,
> in time to repair. These levees are often used by hikers,
> bikers and SUVs as well as muskrats, gators and other
> animals. Any hole or damage can lead to failure, witness
> the Mississippi River flooding back in 93.
>
> Any book on urban or emergency survival says you need at
> least 3-7 days food, water and medicine and be prepared to
> take care of yourself because it will take that long for
> help to come. A tornado in the Midwest will totally destroy
> a few buildings, leaving 98% of an area fully functional and
> quickly restorable. A hurricane destroys 98% of what is in
> an area of thousand of square miles.
>
> Bush declared the gulf coast a federal disaster area BEFORE
> the storm hit.
> In places where trucks loaded with food and water and other
> supplies were pre-positioned, the storm destroyed them.
>
> Many people chose to stay and ride out the storm, but if
> they suffered from their decision because they did not put
> water and food away for their family, whose fault is that?

I agree with all that you've said above - and the answer for the final
question is the person choosing to stay is at fault for not planning for
something that was expected for years.

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Leythos wrote:
> In article <ehJGMnbsFHA.1256@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>,
> p51mustang[threeX12] @xxxhotmail.calm says...
>> Building new and improved levees may be the job of the Army
>> Corp of Engineers, but it is the job of the city to inspect
>> the dirt levees for animal and other damage. That the fact
>> is that the levees broke in only two places says to me that
>> it was a spot problem that should have been detected by the
>> city inspectors BEFORE the storm perhaps weeks in advance,
>> in time to repair. These levees are often used by hikers,
>> bikers and SUVs as well as muskrats, gators and other
>> animals. Any hole or damage can lead to failure, witness
>> the Mississippi River flooding back in 93.
>>
>> Any book on urban or emergency survival says you need at
>> least 3-7 days food, water and medicine and be prepared to
>> take care of yourself because it will take that long for
>> help to come. A tornado in the Midwest will totally destroy
>> a few buildings, leaving 98% of an area fully functional and
>> quickly restorable. A hurricane destroys 98% of what is in
>> an area of thousand of square miles.
>>
>> Bush declared the gulf coast a federal disaster area BEFORE
>> the storm hit.
>> In places where trucks loaded with food and water and other
>> supplies were pre-positioned, the storm destroyed them.
>>
>> Many people chose to stay and ride out the storm, but if
>> they suffered from their decision because they did not put
>> water and food away for their family, whose fault is that?
>
> I agree with all that you've said above - and the answer for the final
> question is the person choosing to stay is at fault for not planning
> for something that was expected for years.

Let them eat cake Ms. Antoinette?!

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Most people are poor because of the decision they made in
their own life. Not the government or even what happened to
their ancestors 176 years ago. If you chose to take drugs
or become a drunk, if you chose to drop out of school, if
you chose to be a ward of the state, IF...
Federal resources are huge but still have limits, the
President is not omnipotent or God-like, perhaps the
response in New Orleans could have been "better" if it was
not also required in a hundred other places. It didn't help
that the local authorities such as the Mayor and Governor
said they had everything in hand.


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| Jim Macklin wrote:
| > Building new and improved levees may be the job of the
Army
| > Corp of Engineers, but it is the job of the city to
inspect
| > the dirt levees for animal and other damage. That the
fact
| > is that the levees broke in only two places says to me
that
| > it was a spot problem that should have been detected by
the
| > city inspectors BEFORE the storm perhaps weeks in
advance,
| > in time to repair. These levees are often used by
hikers,
| > bikers and SUVs as well as muskrats, gators and other
| > animals. Any hole or damage can lead to failure,
witness
| > the Mississippi River flooding back in 93.
| >
| > Any book on urban or emergency survival says you need at
| > least 3-7 days food, water and medicine and be prepared
to
| > take care of yourself because it will take that long for
| > help to come. A tornado in the Midwest will totally
destroy
| > a few buildings, leaving 98% of an area fully functional
and
| > quickly restorable. A hurricane destroys 98% of what is
in
| > an area of thousand of square miles.
| >
| > Bush declared the gulf coast a federal disaster area
BEFORE
| > the storm hit.
| > In places where trucks loaded with food and water and
other
| > supplies were pre-positioned, the storm destroyed them.
| >
| > Many people chose to stay and ride out the storm, but if
| > they suffered from their decision because they did not
put
| > water and food away for their family, whose fault is
that?
|
| It's the poor people's fault that they are poor and
forgotten! Another
| a**hole who I hope Karma is visited on in this life!
|
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Leythos wrote:
> In article <#CQx8FcsFHA.4044@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>,
> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>> Leythos wrote:
>>> In article <e6fz9SZsFHA.3596@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl>,
>>> moonraker@home.com says...
>>>> I do not understand, as Katrina was heading for land I saw mr bush
>>>> on the news telling people to get out of town, Why did they not
>>>> send in enough of your yellow school buses to get those out whom
>>>> did not have the means, They could have commandeered to trains and
>>>> private bus companies to move people out and paid the companies
>>>> after from government "coffers"
>>>
>>> Because the state and local government is responsible to take care
>>> of the people and plan for such a disaster - and it's been warned
>>> about, documented as a problem, and has been expected to happen for
>>> years.
>>>
>>> When you live below sea level, are only protected by levies, don't
>>> make plans for such an event even when it's something they expect
>>> every year, then you are your own worst enemy.
>>>
>>> Our Federal Government came as soon as it was called, the local
>>> State government failed in many ways, like transportation, staging
>>> relief, etc...
>>
>> Where ever you live, I hope Karma puts you and yours in a similar
>> situation as the people of New Orleans.
>
> I'm not stupid enough to live below sea level in a area prone to
> flooding, prone to Hurricanes, prone to violence, and is a documented
> disaster waiting to happen.
>
> I live in an area, well in-land, high up, with stocks of resources,
> with below ground shelter, etc... Being x-military I know what to
> look for and how to find a reasonably secure place to live.

No place is safe from Natural Disaster, and you deserve your Karma!

>
> I'm not faulting any of the people that "Could not get out on their
> own", and feel sorry for the ones that stayed with good hearts (not
> the ones intending on looting after the storm), but I hold the
> Govonor and Mayor as primarily accountable for it being as bad as it
> is.

They did all they could, and were overwhelmed by circumstances. Like
the countries of the tsunami. It took an international effort.

And while you can blame the victims and the state and local governments
were victims of Katrina too, you give a total pass to the Feds for their
lack of a plan, and their slow response! We have FEMA and Homeland
Security for a reason, but unfortunately they dropped the ball and
punted.

And when it down to it, the ULTIMATE boss of homeland security it W.
And W fiddled while NO descended in hell!

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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote

> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>> And when it down to it, the ULTIMATE boss of homeland security it W.
>> And W fiddled while NO descended in hell!
>
> And I suppose that if you were to drive a car on bald tires in the rain,
> then skid and go over a cliff, that it would be W's fault too - taking
> no responsibility for your own lack of action.

The USA can't do it but Cuba can:

By Marjorie Cohn

09/03/05 "t r u t h o u t" -- --- Last September, a Category 5
hurricane battered the small island of Cuba with 160-mile-per-hour
winds. More than 1.5 million Cubans were evacuated to higher ground
ahead of the storm. Although the hurricane destroyed 20,000 houses, no
one died.

What is Cuban President Fidel Castro's secret? According to Dr. Nelson
Valdes, a sociology professor at the University of New Mexico, and
specialist in Latin America, "the whole civil defense is embedded in
the community to begin with. People know ahead of time where they are
to go."

"Cuba's leaders go on TV and take charge," said Valdes. Contrast this
with George W. Bush's reaction to Hurricane Katrina. The day after
Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, Bush was playing golf. He waited three
days to make a TV appearance and five days before visiting the
disaster site. In a scathing editorial on Thursday, the New York Times
said, "nothing about the president's demeanor yesterday - which seemed
casual to the point of carelessness - suggested that he understood the
depth of the current crisis."

"Merely sticking people in a stadium is unthinkable" in Cuba, Valdes
said. "Shelters all have medical personnel, from the neighborhood.
They have family doctors in Cuba, who evacuate together with the
neighborhood, and already know, for example, who needs insulin."

They also evacuate animals and veterinarians, TV sets and
refrigerators, "so that people aren't reluctant to leave because
people might steal their stuff," Valdes observed.

After Hurricane Ivan, the United Nations International Secretariat for
Disaster Reduction cited Cuba as a model for hurricane preparation.
ISDR director Salvano Briceno said, "The Cuban way could easily be
applied to other countries with similar economic conditions and even
in countries with greater resources that do not manage to protect
their population as well as Cuba does."

Marjorie Cohn, a contributing editor to t r u t h o u t, is a
professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, executive vice president
of the National Lawyers Guild, and the US representative to the
executive committee of the American Association of Jurists.

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In article <uvXjSsisFHA.1172@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
maskedandanonymous.org says...
>
> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote
>
> > dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> >> And when it down to it, the ULTIMATE boss of homeland security it W.
> >> And W fiddled while NO descended in hell!
> >
> > And I suppose that if you were to drive a car on bald tires in the rain,
> > then skid and go over a cliff, that it would be W's fault too - taking
> > no responsibility for your own lack of action.
>
> The USA can't do it but Cuba can:
>
> By Marjorie Cohn
>
> 09/03/05 "t r u t h o u t" -- --- Last September, a Category 5
> hurricane battered the small island of Cuba with 160-mile-per-hour
> winds. More than 1.5 million Cubans were evacuated to higher ground
> ahead of the storm. Although the hurricane destroyed 20,000 houses, no
> one died.
>
> What is Cuban President Fidel Castro's secret? According to Dr. Nelson
> Valdes, a sociology professor at the University of New Mexico, and
> specialist in Latin America, "the whole civil defense is embedded in
> the community to begin with. People know ahead of time where they are
> to go."
>
> "Cuba's leaders go on TV and take charge," said Valdes. Contrast this
> with George W. Bush's reaction to Hurricane Katrina. The day after
> Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, Bush was playing golf. He waited three
> days to make a TV appearance and five days before visiting the
> disaster site. In a scathing editorial on Thursday, the New York Times
> said, "nothing about the president's demeanor yesterday - which seemed
> casual to the point of carelessness - suggested that he understood the
> depth of the current crisis."
>
> "Merely sticking people in a stadium is unthinkable" in Cuba, Valdes
> said. "Shelters all have medical personnel, from the neighborhood.
> They have family doctors in Cuba, who evacuate together with the
> neighborhood, and already know, for example, who needs insulin."
>
> They also evacuate animals and veterinarians, TV sets and
> refrigerators, "so that people aren't reluctant to leave because
> people might steal their stuff," Valdes observed.
>
> After Hurricane Ivan, the United Nations International Secretariat for
> Disaster Reduction cited Cuba as a model for hurricane preparation.
> ISDR director Salvano Briceno said, "The Cuban way could easily be
> applied to other countries with similar economic conditions and even
> in countries with greater resources that do not manage to protect
> their population as well as Cuba does."
>
> Marjorie Cohn, a contributing editor to t r u t h o u t, is a
> professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, executive vice president
> of the National Lawyers Guild, and the US representative to the
> executive committee of the American Association of Jurists.

Which proves by point entirely - if the state and local governments had
taken control, enacted anything reasonable, N/O would be in a lot better
situation. They could learn a lot from Other areas that take their
safety and planning seriously.

We're not a dictator based country, or one based around the military,
like CUBA is, but each state could easily make plans like those the
Cuban's have - ask why the "State" didn't do what Cuba did.

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In article <eKQG60isFHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl>,
dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> Leythos wrote:
> > In article <OY$N0UhsFHA.2008@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
> > dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> >> And when it down to it, the ULTIMATE boss of homeland security it W.
> >> And W fiddled while NO descended in hell!
> >
> > And I suppose that if you were to drive a car on bald tires in the
> > rain, then skid and go over a cliff, that it would be W's fault too -
> > taking no responsibility for your own lack of action.
>
> No, but if he stood around and didn't call in the cops for 3 days while
> watching me slowly bleeding to death, I would hold him responsible for
> the negligently slow emergency response to my accident, and the
> complications that arose from that negligently slow emergency response.

And if the responders were already there, and didn't bring any supplies
to help you, didn't bring any services, etc.. as they are the local
rescue group, anyone standing from a long distance would not be blamed.
If the local people don't call for help they won't get it, and they
didn't call for Military help for almost 2 days - and you won't see a
reputable report that shows the time-line that includes the Military
being officially asked for help before the first two days was over.

> I just hope your karma catches up to you while your incompetent leader
> is still in office!

I think you misunderstand my feelings on the devastation - I completely
feel sympathy and sorry for all of the losses, the personal losses, the
damage to the area and have already sent aid to the groups I think will
properly apply it. But, I don't hold the Fed's responsible for not
acting sooner, as the LOCAL STATE and LOCAL government officials didn't
call for it before the Levy broke. How can you blame someone for not
responding when they were not asked to respond? If the state was suppose
to have this planned for, setup for, staged, I see no reason to
intervene unless asked.



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In article <u8g247isFHA.3640@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
maskedandanonymous.org says...
>
> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1d862b148122e75a989eb8@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
> > In article <uvXjSsisFHA.1172@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
> > maskedandanonymous.org says...
> >>
> >> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote
> >>
> >> > dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> >> >> And when it down to it, the ULTIMATE boss of homeland security it W.
> >> >> And W fiddled while NO descended in hell!
> >> >
> >> > And I suppose that if you were to drive a car on bald tires in the
> >> > rain,
> >> > then skid and go over a cliff, that it would be W's fault too - taking
> >> > no responsibility for your own lack of action.
> >>
> >> The USA can't do it but Cuba can:
> >>
> >> By Marjorie Cohn
> >>
> >> 09/03/05 "t r u t h o u t" -- --- Last September, a Category 5
> >> hurricane battered the small island of Cuba with 160-mile-per-hour
> >> winds. More than 1.5 million Cubans were evacuated to higher ground
> >> ahead of the storm. Although the hurricane destroyed 20,000 houses, no
> >> one died.
> >>
> >> What is Cuban President Fidel Castro's secret? According to Dr. Nelson
> >> Valdes, a sociology professor at the University of New Mexico, and
> >> specialist in Latin America, "the whole civil defense is embedded in
> >> the community to begin with. People know ahead of time where they are
> >> to go."
> >>
> >> "Cuba's leaders go on TV and take charge," said Valdes. Contrast this
> >> with George W. Bush's reaction to Hurricane Katrina. The day after
> >> Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, Bush was playing golf. He waited three
> >> days to make a TV appearance and five days before visiting the
> >> disaster site. In a scathing editorial on Thursday, the New York Times
> >> said, "nothing about the president's demeanor yesterday - which seemed
> >> casual to the point of carelessness - suggested that he understood the
> >> depth of the current crisis."
> >>
> >> "Merely sticking people in a stadium is unthinkable" in Cuba, Valdes
> >> said. "Shelters all have medical personnel, from the neighborhood.
> >> They have family doctors in Cuba, who evacuate together with the
> >> neighborhood, and already know, for example, who needs insulin."
> >>
> >> They also evacuate animals and veterinarians, TV sets and
> >> refrigerators, "so that people aren't reluctant to leave because
> >> people might steal their stuff," Valdes observed.
> >>
> >> After Hurricane Ivan, the United Nations International Secretariat for
> >> Disaster Reduction cited Cuba as a model for hurricane preparation.
> >> ISDR director Salvano Briceno said, "The Cuban way could easily be
> >> applied to other countries with similar economic conditions and even
> >> in countries with greater resources that do not manage to protect
> >> their population as well as Cuba does."
> >>
> >> Marjorie Cohn, a contributing editor to t r u t h o u t, is a
> >> professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, executive vice president
> >> of the National Lawyers Guild, and the US representative to the
> >> executive committee of the American Association of Jurists.
> >
> > Which proves by point entirely - if the state and local governments had
> > taken control, enacted anything reasonable, N/O would be in a lot better
> > situation. They could learn a lot from Other areas that take their
> > safety and planning seriously.
> >
> > We're not a dictator based country, or one based around the military,
> > like CUBA is, but each state could easily make plans like those the
> > Cuban's have - ask why the "State" didn't do what Cuba did.
>
> "The day after Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, Bush was playing golf."
>
> Bush needs permission from the Gov of LA to act? Pulease.

Yes, he needs the GOV to request help, which is a simple phone call, and
could have been done at any time the Gov thought it was needed.

Ask yourself, why did the Gov wait so long?


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In article <eY9pgDjsFHA.304@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
maskedandanonymous.org says...
>
> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1d863140faf8239d989ec0@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
> > In article <u8g247isFHA.3640@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
> > maskedandanonymous.org says...
> >>
> >> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> >> news:MPG.1d862b148122e75a989eb8@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
> >> > In article <uvXjSsisFHA.1172@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
> >> > maskedandanonymous.org says...
> >> >>
> >> >> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote
> >> >>
> >> >> > dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> >> >> >> And when it down to it, the ULTIMATE boss of homeland security it
> >> >> >> W.
> >> >> >> And W fiddled while NO descended in hell!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And I suppose that if you were to drive a car on bald tires in the
> >> >> > rain,
> >> >> > then skid and go over a cliff, that it would be W's fault too -
> >> >> > taking
> >> >> > no responsibility for your own lack of action.
> >> >>
> >> >> The USA can't do it but Cuba can:
> >> >>
> >> >> By Marjorie Cohn
> >> >>
> >> >> 09/03/05 "t r u t h o u t" -- --- Last September, a Category 5
> >> >> hurricane battered the small island of Cuba with 160-mile-per-hour
> >> >> winds. More than 1.5 million Cubans were evacuated to higher ground
> >> >> ahead of the storm. Although the hurricane destroyed 20,000 houses, no
> >> >> one died.
> >> >>
> >> >> What is Cuban President Fidel Castro's secret? According to Dr. Nelson
> >> >> Valdes, a sociology professor at the University of New Mexico, and
> >> >> specialist in Latin America, "the whole civil defense is embedded in
> >> >> the community to begin with. People know ahead of time where they are
> >> >> to go."
> >> >>
> >> >> "Cuba's leaders go on TV and take charge," said Valdes. Contrast this
> >> >> with George W. Bush's reaction to Hurricane Katrina. The day after
> >> >> Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, Bush was playing golf. He waited three
> >> >> days to make a TV appearance and five days before visiting the
> >> >> disaster site. In a scathing editorial on Thursday, the New York Times
> >> >> said, "nothing about the president's demeanor yesterday - which seemed
> >> >> casual to the point of carelessness - suggested that he understood the
> >> >> depth of the current crisis."
> >> >>
> >> >> "Merely sticking people in a stadium is unthinkable" in Cuba, Valdes
> >> >> said. "Shelters all have medical personnel, from the neighborhood.
> >> >> They have family doctors in Cuba, who evacuate together with the
> >> >> neighborhood, and already know, for example, who needs insulin."
> >> >>
> >> >> They also evacuate animals and veterinarians, TV sets and
> >> >> refrigerators, "so that people aren't reluctant to leave because
> >> >> people might steal their stuff," Valdes observed.
> >> >>
> >> >> After Hurricane Ivan, the United Nations International Secretariat for
> >> >> Disaster Reduction cited Cuba as a model for hurricane preparation.
> >> >> ISDR director Salvano Briceno said, "The Cuban way could easily be
> >> >> applied to other countries with similar economic conditions and even
> >> >> in countries with greater resources that do not manage to protect
> >> >> their population as well as Cuba does."
> >> >>
> >> >> Marjorie Cohn, a contributing editor to t r u t h o u t, is a
> >> >> professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, executive vice president
> >> >> of the National Lawyers Guild, and the US representative to the
> >> >> executive committee of the American Association of Jurists.
> >> >
> >> > Which proves by point entirely - if the state and local governments had
> >> > taken control, enacted anything reasonable, N/O would be in a lot
> >> > better
> >> > situation. They could learn a lot from Other areas that take their
> >> > safety and planning seriously.
> >> >
> >> > We're not a dictator based country, or one based around the military,
> >> > like CUBA is, but each state could easily make plans like those the
> >> > Cuban's have - ask why the "State" didn't do what Cuba did.
> >>
> >> "The day after Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, Bush was playing golf."
> >>
> >> Bush needs permission from the Gov of LA to act? Pulease.
> >
> > Yes, he needs the GOV to request help, which is a simple phone call, and
> > could have been done at any time the Gov thought it was needed.
>
> Give me a break. All Bush had to do is declare a *national emergency", you
> moron!

It wasn't a national emergency, it's localized to a few areas in a few
states.

> > Ask yourself, why did the Gov wait so long?
>
> Ask yourself why Bush was playing golf instead of phoning up the Gov? Maybe
> the Gov. couldn't get Bush on the phone because he was on the golf course.

So, you don't want to address it - why the Govonor, the responsible
person for the state, didn't call for help?

It's not like the government at the Fed level stops working when the
President goes on vacation or takes a dump - there are zillions of
people still working, still responsible, etc...

So, answer the question, unless you don't want to see your ranting
falling apart - why didn't the governor call for help sooner?

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> One research problem you will run in to is that they tend
> to be called gales in Britain instead of hurricanes or cyclones.

Quite a gale! In Alberta, their conterpart is the Chinook. I lived there for
quite a while.

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Leythos wrote:
> In article <eKQG60isFHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl>,
> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>> Leythos wrote:
>>> In article <OY$N0UhsFHA.2008@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
>>> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>>>> And when it down to it, the ULTIMATE boss of homeland security it
>>>> W. And W fiddled while NO descended in hell!
>>>
>>> And I suppose that if you were to drive a car on bald tires in the
>>> rain, then skid and go over a cliff, that it would be W's fault too
>>> - taking no responsibility for your own lack of action.
>>
>> No, but if he stood around and didn't call in the cops for 3 days
>> while watching me slowly bleeding to death, I would hold him
>> responsible for the negligently slow emergency response to my
>> accident, and the complications that arose from that negligently
>> slow emergency response.
>
> And if the responders were already there, and didn't bring any
> supplies to help you, didn't bring any services, etc.. as they are
> the local rescue group, anyone standing from a long distance would
> not be blamed. If the local people don't call for help they won't get
> it, and they didn't call for Military help for almost 2 days - and
> you won't see a reputable report that shows the time-line that
> includes the Military being officially asked for help before the
> first two days was over.

Moron, the local governments were injured victims of the same accident
as I was. The Feds just sat back and watched while we all suffered, and
is claiming no one called 911!

>> I just hope your karma catches up to you while your incompetent
>> leader is still in office!
>
> I think you misunderstand my feelings on the devastation - I
> completely feel sympathy and sorry for all of the losses, the
> personal losses, the damage to the area and have already sent aid to
> the groups I think will properly apply it. But, I don't hold the
> Fed's responsible for not acting sooner, as the LOCAL STATE and LOCAL
> government officials didn't call for it before the Levy broke. How
> can you blame someone for not responding when they were not asked to
> respond? If the state was suppose to have this planned for, setup
> for, staged, I see no reason to intervene unless asked.

You deserve your incompetent Vacationer-in-Chief to help you out of a
natural disaster that also takes out you local gov'ts capacity to help
its citizens! And I hope I'm there to tell you that you got the Federal
response you deserved!

I hope you are a victim with a bunch of people standing around watching
and no calls 911, or lifts a finger to help you! That is YOUR KARMA.
Live with it, scumbag!

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In article <u7kmi7jsFHA.3216@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>,
dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> Keep blaming the victims!

I didn't blame the victims, I blame the people responsible to the
victims that failed to plan for a disaster that was expected for at
least 30 years.

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