AMD and Intel. You got Questions, we got Answers.

I intend this to be the "question and answer thread," for JumpingJack's IBM, Intel and AMD comparison thread: http://forumz.tomshardware.com/har [...] 82836.html . Post your questions here about their techniques. We will try to answer your questions to the best of our ability.

This thread doesn't seem to be very successful. Alas, not every thread can be a blockbuster .

When I have question, I ask Google.. No need for another thread about AMD and Intel s[b][/b]hit... No wonder this thread isn't going anywhere, the public don't like it Joset! It burns . Oh well.

Either It's IBM (the people wo Invented the Computer itself) or it might be the (Peek'a'boo) company VIA

thanks for the answer.
i only remember tiny part of solid state physics i learned 20 years ago. but mostly just names, cannot remember those equation at all.
I hate Dirac symbol. i almost failed in quantum mechanics.
lol

ah oh. it meant to reply Jack, not endyen. sorry 4 that.

I'm beginning to get the impression that SOI and NiSi2 are mutually exclusive, ( the oxides in SOI would likely cause NI migration) Is that right?

I see this thread isn't so bad after all, people are getting something out of it. 8)

I'd be REALLY surprised if VIA made it

Interesting....if you have any links (specially Quantum Mechanical Tunneling for Dummies) it would be nice if you posted it (or at least pm me with that )

I hate Nabla

Well, I read the links and more or less got the idea (except for shroedinger...) but now I "understand"

That's part of the Unified Field Theory, try to relate gravity, electromagnetism, nuclear forces, newtonian physics and quantum physics into one giant block of nifty things, related one with another

The problem is, as you said, that stuff behaves differently at different scales, the most obvious example is if the electric force that tries to break away an atom's core is greater than the gravitational force that attracts them, how is it possible that the atom stays stable instead of collapsing? The answer: Quantum Chromodynamics, in which the "color charges" act in the phemtometer (¿?) scale and the quarks that make a proton are attracted to each other with such an intensity that it counters the repulsive electric force between protons (bout 30x proton-proton gravity pull)

Another interesting phenomena is time "expansion" the problem is that the object necessary to measure that would be so big that it coudn't achieve a speed close enough to lightspeed to experience it

Here's an interesting link http://www.newscientistspace.com/a [...] space.html
hpoe you like it

Nothing related to the thread, but it's kinda interesting

Oh, and the tunnelling stuff, is it related with the "cloning photon" phenomena? I think not, but I want to be sure

45 nm technology is hard to call right now. Let's take details of Intel's current 65 nm technology then speculate on the 45 nm technology. The 65 nm technology has some interesting features that are second generation from the 90 nm technology. Single layer stress liner, NiSi, embedded SiGe stressor, 1.2 nm gate thickness.

For a detail, some pictures and data, see this IEDM presentation
ftp://download.intel.com/technolo [...] g_0804.pdf

In 45 nm, Intel has been extraordinarily hush hush other than to demonstrate functional SRAM, and specify SRAM bit-cell size, we do not know much about what is going into it. You can bet that SiGe is going to be in it's 3rd generation, stress liner will likely not be a factor after 65 nm as this stress methodology will run out of steam. There has been some hubbub about fully silicided gate electrode (FUSI)

ftp://download.intel.com/technolo [...] M_1205.pdf

This is needed to get better gate electrode properties, the current poly gate electrode used by both Intel and AMD will not be feasable at the 45 nm node.

Now the advantage from going to 90 nm to 65 nm in the industry is driven more by size than by performance. The performance curve is flattening out using conventional CMOS techniques, however, looking at the FUSI data the 65 nm to 45 nm transition may actually see a leap to 5, 6 or even 10 GHz transistors -- this would be cool ....

Jack

SOI rules all Intel is stupid for waiting till 0.032u before useing it.

Well, I doubt they're stupid at all.

Anyway, this Professor Krishna Saraswat (from Stanford University) has a wonderful collection of slide presentations, in a non-exhaustive, non-purely technical fashion on techniques, materials, processes, you name it, which I particularly like. Here's one regarding not-so-futuristic approaches to computing processes:
http://www.stanford.edu/class/ee31 [...] evices.pdf

As a side note, both Intel & IBM are more buried in these papers than the oxide itself...


Cheers!

Word.

Well, I doubt they're stupid at all.

Anyway, this Professor Krishna Saraswat (from Stanford University) has a wonderful collection of slide presentations, in a non-exhaustive, non-purely technical fashion on techniques, materials, processes, you name it, which I particularly like. Here's one regarding not-so-futuristic approaches to computing processes:
http://www.stanford.edu/class/ee31 [...] evices.pdf

As a side note, both Intel & IBM are more buried in these papers than the oxide itself...



Cheers!

Ha, you've been doing some homework Good for you.... you have always had my respect. Nice job.

He can't tell if I am serious or not *cackles manically*.

Sorry to have made you "cackling manically".
You're right, Spud; sometimes I miss the irony...


Cheers!

Sorry to have made you "cackling manically".
You're right, Spud; sometimes I miss the irony...


Cheers!

Word.

fantastic reading I tell you ! hmm Intel has on its roadmap 32nm is that when we will be driving 10Ghz chips ? I can hardly wait (probably 5 years from now....)

Thanks fot the info. I've been through it, already... and, I'm all hears!

By the way, is the "Unofficial Conroe/AM2 Discussion Thread" down? I can't seem to link into it through my e-mail...


Cheers! WHAT?!?! NOOO! That is the most widely viewed thread, it can't go!

It's not gone, I found it .... I plan on posting some thought to it in the next few days. But have you noticed, a hand full of the all-caps 9-inch posts are locked....I wonder why...
Jack Because people weren't posting anything in relation to the subject.

I believe it is when that chip was manufactured. Not the model, the chip itself.

Yes Jack is an extremely intelligent circular desserting device (cookie, ).