Powerpc

Ok a question for all you mac fanboy's do games like doom 3 play better on a mac with powerpc or with the intel chips? sorry i forgot to say that yesterday i saw an Imac g4 get 30 fps on doom 3 while an intel core duo get the same fps so which ones better?

and btw, Luminaris is not a mac fanboy, dvdpiddy

I never said he was i was thinking about PMR when i wrote this

Actually, I like em but, I just think they're a bit overpriced. I would rather build my own cheaper. My Microsoft certified neighbors as well as my colleagues here at work have macs so I have the luxury of using them all the time without having to buy them Btw Luminaris how is the opty? is it serving you well?

Yes Mr. Faithful poster, it is serving me very well. I would'nt give it up for the world man. Even if Intel comes out with something better, I'll hang on to it and just build another machine. I'm using all AMDs now. I sold my Intel machine and the only Intels I have now are P3 dells that I use for my folding. Does the name, Katmai ring a bell? One of them has 300Mhz Katmai which runs very well.

BTW, where have you been at bro?

Actually, I like em but, I just think they're a bit overpriced. I would rather build my own cheaper. My Microsoft certified neighbors as well as my colleagues here at work have macs so I have the luxury of using them all the time without having to buy them Btw Luminaris how is the opty? is it serving you well?

Yes Mr. Faithful poster, it is serving me very well. I would'nt give it up for the world man. Even if Intel comes out with something better, I'll hang on to it and just build another machine. I'm using all AMDs now. I sold my Intel machine and the only Intels I have now are P3 dells that I use for my folding. Does the name, Katmai ring a bell? One of them has 300Mhz Katmai which runs very well.

BTW, where have you been at bro? first of all thats good second yes i remember the katmai i heard that name when i was 10 from the computer geek in 8th grade in my school who was always getting beaten up and always had no luck with girls but now oh ho ho you dont wanna f**k with him hes a damn good hacker third dude it was easter and i had to work in my dad's bakery for 3 weeks straight helping with delivery's packing babka's and peeling carrot's and potatoes etc etc man it's good to take a break heres a link to my dad's bakery when he got mentioned in the new york times btw luminaris how does it feel to be free of intel brainwashing?

So you get to play the soup "bakery" Nazi eh? (Seinfeld episode for those that are sitting there going, Huh? 8O )

That's cool man. Send me some bagels and croissants! uuummm Glad to see your still around man. Yes, it's good to be free from Intel at the moment. Very pleased with the Opteron dually. Definately need to get some more RAM though. The 2X512s aren't really cuttin it anymore. They're fast but not enough for my hardcore games.

You been keeping up with the whole Conroe/AMD battle at all? It's been a nightmare here. That's why I don't really post much at all anymore.

Kewl deal. I'll come up there and pay a visit and take you up on some of those cheesecakes!

I sold my Intel machine to make money and room for the next Intel and AMD builds. I want to be able to compare side by side.

If that was on a G4, is it compatible with G5, that could only be faster surely.

(Were the Katmai P3's good or something? I've got a dual Katmai Compaq - 512kb L2 - here at the moment)

its not the chips that make the games run "slower" its the OS

OSX isnt a game platform, its a workstation. It lacks Directx support and take into mind that these games are "ported" NOT designed from the ground up to take advantage of the OS.


if the G5 worked on windows it would give the best opteron a run for its money.

Forgot this in the last post:

OS X is built in OpenGL (I think) and i.d. build in OpenGL, or at least I remember reading somewhere about 'how easy it was' for Aspyr to build versions for Mac because of the way they were already programming.

1.ok
2.katmai was good for its time
3.it doesnt matter if they were pII or p3 they were good for their time i used one once very nice

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G5 hasn't gone quad core (and won't, now the Intel CPUs are replacing the IBM ones at a rate of knots), it's dual-'dual-core'-CPUs. Still blazing fast, but you need it for what people use PowerMac G5s for (I.E. music + video editing).

1. im not a fanboy, i worked on a mac during os 9 , now that was a POS in my oppinion. I run a AMD 3500 before that a XP-M 2200

2. its a quad core, i never saying that those cores are on one chip now did I. when you assume you make an ASS of both ME and You.

3. A G5 server is ALOT cheaper concidering that apple sells you an unlimited amount of OSX in one easy to buy pkg. lets note that BIG corperations stay away from software infringment. mac OSN can save a HUGE company THOUSANDS on just OS.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6832102325
x64 windows server 25 pack 3176.95 usd

http://store.apple.com/AppleStore/ [...] .1.9.5.0.9
OSX Server UNLIMITED PACK 699.99 usd


which one is cheaper?

ask someone in the field what os they would rather work on, LOL you will hear lunix/unix and OSX WAY before windows

When you refer to a Two Single Core CPU's on the same Mobo, do you call them Dual CPU, or Dual Core? The definition of Quad core is exactly as it sounds, 4 cores on one chip, where as dual core is 2 cores on one chip, and dual cpu is 2 cpu's on one board seperate slots..... see? And what the hell is an unlimited amount of OSX? Also, you think a Dual Dual Core G5 running at the same clock as a Dual Dual Core Opty would dominate the Opty? I doubt it, and not only that, I would not want to pay the electric bill. Plus if you build the PC yourself for two Dual Core Opterons your looking at about $650 and another $300 for the motherboard. For the most baseline Dual Dual Core Mac it starts at what...... $3299?? That is with the basic specs...... 512mb or memory, 1 250gb Hd, Geforce 6600, OSX and a Keyboard and mouse..... is that worth the extra $2,000? Oh yeah, an the case.... forgot...... a rather large price disparity there..... something else you are leaving out is that is a three tier system, it is not unlimited..... there is one package that you can buy if you plan on installing it on over 1000 servers...... but if you had 1,000 of those dual dual core mac's or or 1,000 of the dual dual core opty's..... it is close to a $1,000,000 differnce in hardware cost..... is that worth it? Maybe that is why Apple does not dominate the server market...... I can see why Apple/Mac makes most of there money off of the hardware.... they charge so damn much for it.....

Harmony is great and everything, but, at a 30-50% price premium....? maybe businesses would go for the most cost effective solution, and maybe not worry about harmony so much..... but I guess for the average person with a higher than average income(=not the average person).... they can afford to worry about harmony.... nothing better to do I guess.

Yup, I know, I'm saying that Apple just isn't practical for business (other than the well publicised industries so I won't go into them) - the cost is too great, as well as the problems of 'switching'; it goes without saying that most people can use Windows at least basically, some people haven't even got a clue what Apple is past iPod.

I do think Apple is better for average home computing, though. It looks better in your home (it's something people actually want to show off rather than cram in the spare room or study) and like weskurtz says, he dumbs himself down for Mac, but not in a bad way - they're less hassle. Some powerusers just don't like that though, which is cool.

because this world needs to get out from under the rule of microsoft.

maybe i play the wrong games, but none of mine seem to work at all under linux... wine just doesn't cut it.