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Do you even realize that folks wont be buying AMD anytime soon seeing what idiots (you) use them?

Whatever BS youve come up with, it could easily be proven wrong, goes to show what a no-brainer you are IMHO.

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AMD FOR gamers and enthusiasts.
Intel for consumers.
AMD is more powerful, thats why on almost every gaming system, everyones got a AMD, its the way to go :twisted:

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AMD FOR gamers and enthusiasts.
Intel for consumers.
AMD is more powerful, thats why on almost every gaming system, everyones got a AMD, its the way to go :twisted:

Yip can't argue with that!!!

Thats just about the best post in this thread! :wink:

And all of you that don't agree [atleast verbally] are admitting it's true deep down inside and thats the bottom line so don't try kid yourselves! :twisted:

Reply to Panth3r

THANKS MADMODMIKE

Reply to ak47is1337

Wont be true in july. Sorry but amd is going down. The conroe is much more powerfull and efficient then any amd chip coming out and currently on the market. Sure atm amd is the best choice but in less then 8 weeks we will be seeing that Intel is by far the best choice.

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Wont be true in july. Sorry but amd is going down. The conroe is much more powerfull and efficient then any amd chip coming out and currently on the market. Sure atm amd is the best choice but in less then 8 weeks we will be seeing that Intel is by far the best choice.

k cool gud point [or opinion for that matter] but lets not get ahead of ourselves here. Lets believe that when we see both chips well into distribution. Figures at this stage aren't worth anything! it's like trying to tell people who is going to win the next Formula 1 season when all you have seen is testing times...

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Reply to Panth3r

I believe a dual core AMD cpu would be faster than any comparable intel counterpart in DIVx

Reply to weskurtz81

Mike, yes Conroe will be faster than K8, but keep in mind K8 is about 3 years old. I am sure AMD has been hard at work on something to replace it. Also, AMD is going down? You mean that like the company is going down, or, K8 is going down? Cause I doubt they are going out of business, in which case, I am sure in the future they will release more cpu's that will be competitive, cause even though Conroe is faster, there will be faster cpu's released in the future that will make today's Conroe look like the 90's 486.

Reply to weskurtz81

Mike, yes Conroe will be faster than K8, but keep in mind K8 is about 3 years old. I am sure AMD has been hard at work on something to replace it. Also, AMD is going down? You mean that like the company is going down, or, K8 is going down? Cause I doubt they are going out of business, in which case, I am sure in the future they will release more cpu's that will be competitive, cause even though Conroe is faster, there will be faster cpu's released in the future that will make today's Conroe look like the 90's 486.

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I believe a dual core AMD cpu would be faster than any comparable intel counterpart in DIVx

prove it :cry:

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I believe a dual core AMD cpu would be faster than any comparable intel counterpart in DIVx

prove it :cry:

Reply to SU-37

I meant amd is going to be knocked off the performance podium. What do you think K8L will do alot ? Amd still has future plans for K8, I dont care how old it is, its their own fault for not making a new arch in time for the conroe, by the time amd gets 65 nm Intel will have quad cores on 45 nm silicon. Im putting all of my bets on intel for the next 4 years (performance leadership) amd cannot create new archetectures every 2 years they are not finacially strong enough. How ever Intel is going to be doing just that. I can guarantee Conroe will kill the x2's in divx. And why the hell cant we say the initial benchmarks are going to be final. Weve all seen lots of non-idf benchmarks on xtremesystems.com forums, its taking records on all of the benchmarks. The idf benches werent flawed or cheated, pc mark is a synthetic benchmark meaning you cannot cheat it unless you fool with the systems them selves. Since the pc mark scores with IDF and others that we have seen around for X2's are parallel I find it hard for anyone to say that Intel cheated. The conroe will be a multimedia powerhouse you can tell just by its archetecture, when comparing K8 to core you can easily tell that core will be more power full for media encoding and gaming + everything else for that matter.

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I meant amd is going to be knocked off the performance podium. What do you think K8L will do alot ? Amd still has future plans for K8, I dont care how old it is, its their own fault for not making a new arch in time for the conroe, by the time amd gets 65 nm Intel will have quad cores on 45 nm silicon. Im putting all of my bets on intel for the next 4 years (performance leadership) amd cannot create new archetectures every 2 years they are not finacially strong enough. How ever Intel is going to be doing just that. I can guarantee Conroe will kill the x2's in divx. And why the hell cant we say the initial benchmarks are going to be final. Weve all seen lots of non-idf benchmarks on xtremesystems.com forums, its taking records on all of the benchmarks. The idf benches werent flawed or cheated, pc mark is a synthetic benchmark meaning you cannot cheat it unless you fool with the systems them selves. Since the pc mark scores with IDF and others that we have seen around for X2's are parallel I find it hard for anyone to say that Intel cheated. The conroe will be a multimedia powerhouse you can tell just by its archetecture, when comparing K8 to core you can easily tell that core will be more power full for media encoding and gaming + everything else for that matter.

K8L or K10 for that matter WILL be competitve. AMD will have the advantage of seeing what Intel has before they release what they have. I will probably get a Conroe, but switch quickly to whoever is best at the time.

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I meant amd is going to be knocked off the performance podium. What do you think K8L will do alot ? Amd still has future plans for K8, I dont care how old it is, its their own fault for not making a new arch in time for the conroe, by the time amd gets 65 nm Intel will have quad cores on 45 nm silicon. Im putting all of my bets on intel for the next 4 years (performance leadership) amd cannot create new archetectures every 2 years they are not finacially strong enough. How ever Intel is going to be doing just that. I can guarantee Conroe will kill the x2's in divx. And why the hell cant we say the initial benchmarks are going to be final. Weve all seen lots of non-idf benchmarks on xtremesystems.com forums, its taking records on all of the benchmarks. The idf benches werent flawed or cheated, pc mark is a synthetic benchmark meaning you cannot cheat it unless you fool with the systems them selves. Since the pc mark scores with IDF and others that we have seen around for X2's are parallel I find it hard for anyone to say that Intel cheated. The conroe will be a multimedia powerhouse you can tell just by its archetecture, when comparing K8 to core you can easily tell that core will be more power full for media encoding and gaming + everything else for that matter.

K8L or K10 for that matter WILL be competitve. AMD will have the advantage of seeing what Intel has before they release what they have. I will probably get a Conroe, but switch quickly to whoever is best at the time.

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I meant amd is going to be knocked off the performance podium. What do you think K8L will do alot ? Amd still has future plans for K8, I dont care how old it is, its their own fault for not making a new arch in time for the conroe, by the time amd gets 65 nm Intel will have quad cores on 45 nm silicon. Im putting all of my bets on intel for the next 4 years (performance leadership) amd cannot create new archetectures every 2 years they are not finacially strong enough. How ever Intel is going to be doing just that. I can guarantee Conroe will kill the x2's in divx. And why the hell cant we say the initial benchmarks are going to be final. Weve all seen lots of non-idf benchmarks on xtremesystems.com forums, its taking records on all of the benchmarks. The idf benches werent flawed or cheated, pc mark is a synthetic benchmark meaning you cannot cheat it unless you fool with the systems them selves. Since the pc mark scores with IDF and others that we have seen around for X2's are parallel I find it hard for anyone to say that Intel cheated. The conroe will be a multimedia powerhouse you can tell just by its archetecture, when comparing K8 to core you can easily tell that core will be more power full for media encoding and gaming + everything else for that matter.

K8L or K10 for that matter WILL be competitve. AMD will have the advantage of seeing what Intel has before they release what they have. I will probably get a Conroe, but switch quickly to whoever is best at the time.

Reply to ak47is1337

somehow I posted the same thing as above again.... not sure how that happend..... but oh well.

Reply to weskurtz81

I have a million dollars.

Reply to WRX-Rated

Mike.... you think Intel will have 45nm Q1 of 07..... it is not even slated until 08.... look at the Intel roadmaps man..... 65nm AMD parts will be here no later than Q1 of next year.

Reply to weskurtz81

What about the architecture will make it better mike?

Reply to weskurtz81

Only 2 more months till i can put:

Athlon = Failure, in my profile.

Reply to TheMaster

128 bit sse registers, more optimised integer and fpu units, much faster prefetching and more logical prefetching, larger, faster and higher bandwidth cache, and much faster clock for clock then the A64. Look at this. Their archetecture is simply more optimised. Who uses Divx to encode honestly.. its horrible ive used it and the audio and video was completly out of sync on all settings used. The conroe will trounce X2's in divx also just like everything else.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forum [...] hp?t=97609
Amd wont be able to see what intel has in advance to prepare their new archetecture. K8L will feautre some small optimisations like fpu units. K10 no one knows what it is. Core,nahelm, and Gesher, are the unstoppable trio. That benchmark uses a buggy motherboard, and unoptimised drivers we may see upto a 5 % increase in performance in the conroe with optimised bioses, and drivers, along with the newer core revisions, it only gets better from here. I also suggest if you would like to read up more on the conroes archetecture.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipse [...] spx?i=2748

Reply to Mike995

I am interested to see what your definition of a failure is. So Conroe will be a failure to by the way you make it sound..... how long will it be until you put Conroe=Failure in your profile?

Reply to weskurtz81

The thing is, you don't know what either company is planning in the future, and you think you can call the market 4 years from now? Come on man, you don't know what will be available even 8 months from now. AMD could spring something new just like Intel did. Lets just think about it logically. It is going to be a leap frog probably every 6months to a year. As I am sure K8 can be made to be much more efficient and optimised.

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I am interested to see what your definition of a failure is. So Conroe will be a failure to by the way you make it sound..... how long will it be until you put Conroe=Failure in your profile?

I'm just flaimbaiting wusy... :wink:

Reply to TheMaster

Conroe will not be a failure anytime soon. Sorry to break it too you. Amd won for 3 years, and there wasnt really any leapfrogging going on. Intel will win for the next 4 years, I guarantee it. If not I will appologize to you and say that I was wrong. But I wont need to do that.

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The thing is, you don't know what either company is planning in the future, and you think you can call the market 4 years from now? Come on man, you don't know what will be available even 8 months from now. AMD could spring something new just like Intel did. Lets just think about it logically. It is going to be a leap frog probably every 6months to a year. As I am sure K8 can be made to be much more efficient and optimised.

Yeah, you can really can know what they're up to since they release roadmaps and host parties to show things off.

Reply to ak47is1337

Oh come on AK, just because they release a roadmap.... doesn't mean that they are going to follow it. And also, just because they release a roadmap, doesn't mean everything is on it..... so don't try to be a smarta$$ for no damn reason.

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ooops sorry.....

Reply to weskurtz81

They follow that roadmap pretty strictly in just about every case all of us have seen. Weve seen amds roadmap and there is a real lack of anything, other then K8 HTT speed increases, claimed FPU performance increases, alot of hmms and haaas as far as their roadmap goes.

Reply to Mike995

AMD will have heads up what Intel did before their next architecture, so I actually wouldn't bet on Intel staying ahead for that long. K8L/K10 should come with a storm, unlike AMD has sat on their ass (which I doubt)

Reply to ak47is1337

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Oh come on AK, just because they release a roadmap.... doesn't mean that they are going to follow it. And also, just because they release a roadmap, doesn't mean everything is on it..... so don't try to be a smarta$$ for no damn reason.

Roadmaps only tell us what kind of products they'll release, never what kind of performance we can actually expect. Rarely is a roadmap not followed exactly or abandoned completely.

Reply to ak47is1337

K8l is nothing but FPU unit performance increases. K10 no one knows about which is the same case as gesher and nahelm I dont see how amd is going to know ahead of time to create an archetecutre to beat either Gesher and Nahelm. Intel can shrink sram cells smaller then amd can so Intel is even more qualified of doubling their fpu units then amd is. But who says they are going to do that.

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I hate fanboys! Get out of here!
Both companies make good products, they leap-frog each other all the time, it's just Intel's turn to do so.

So please, just chose the better product, and keep an open mind

:oops: I think they protest too much. It's called conroe-envy.

Reply to tmac

Point is, yes they try to follow roadmaps, they can always add something to a roadmap. They never try to do less than a roadmap but are always trying to accomplish more. Mike..... you don't know what else they will add to K8L. Only AMD does, just like you don't know what the future revisions of Conroe will be Uarch wise. You don't know what AMD has been working on for the past 3 years. When did Intel start designing Conroe? How long did it take them? Do you honestly think that AMD has just been sitting around for the past 3 years not designing anything? Come on man..... so by your estimates it take 7-8 years to design a cpu core? No way.... but, you can have your opinions, and I don't care if AMD does come out with something faster tomorrow.... I don't want to sit here and read some apology, I am just debating your logic, and I am done debating this.... cause it is a waste of time since on the "God" of technology could tell you where things would be 4 years from now, much less 1 year from now.

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Point is, yes they try to follow roadmaps, they can always add something to a roadmap. They never try to do less than a roadmap but are always trying to accomplish more. Mike..... you don't know what else they will add to K8L. Only AMD does, just like you don't know what the future revisions of Conroe will be Uarch wise. You don't know what AMD has been working on for the past 3 years. When did Intel start designing Conroe? How long did it take them? Do you honestly think that AMD has just been sitting around for the past 3 years not designing anything? Come on man..... so by your estimates it take 7-8 years to design a cpu core? No way.... but, you can have your opinions, and I don't care if AMD does come out with something faster tomorrow.... I don't want to sit here and read some apology, I am just debating your logic, and I am done debating this.... cause it is a waste of time since on the "God" of technology could tell you where things would be 4 years from now, much less 1 year from now.

It really does take at least a year and a half to design a CPU totally new, even if you base it off an older idea.
Look at Itanium lol, it's been around for awhile and Intel still can't get it right. On the other hand, it also takes a lot of time to perfect CPU's that didn't do so well on release, like Netburst. Intel has had to work really hard to make those chips semi-competitive in any arena.

Reply to ak47is1337

Other than better prices, how?

Reply to cord

Because God wills it.

Reply to sdrawkcaBgoD

I do honestly think amd has been sitting on their hands for quite some time now with the K8 since they are still using it in the future..... and were overzellous with this archetecture, they would have released some more then some lacklustre AM2 platform if they werent sitting on their hands. The god of technology doesnt tell me anything as there isnt one.

Reply to Mike995

I do honestly think amd has been sitting on their hands for quite some time now with the K8 since they are still using it in the future..... and were overzellous with this archetecture, they would have released something more then some lacklustre AM2 platform if they werent sitting on their hands. The god of technology doesnt tell me anything as there isnt one.
Sorry it double posted on me....

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Is it because of its intelligence not to run for Ghz Race ....... Instead use its resources Efficiently

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God

are you an idiot, want to put it bluntly? Intels conroe makes AMD look like a P4, and P4 was DESIGNED to run at high speeds to make it (unfairly too) look faster then AMD (AMD 1400 sounds slower then a P4 1700), it wasnt a matter of efficency at the time, and it sadly worked.

Dam fcuking noob fanboy.

Conroe isn't even released yet so I think you should calm down until it is...

Agreed. Conroe isnt out for 6 months and AMD should have better things on AM2 by then...noob fanboy lol. thats funny because that's what i was thinking of apache, betting on something not even benchmarked (by someone other than intel). Buddy, conroe isnt out for half a year. How about we stay in the now? Currently P4 is poop, and AMD is a lot better because theirs give superior price/performance. Conroe might just top A64 but my prediction is not by much. Then the A64 65nms come out and pawn the conroes.
I'm probably going to get called a noob fanboy for this. And I know I contradict myself when I say "lets stay in the now" so meh.

My do some people look stupid betting against Intels P6 tech, when its predecessors were even kicking the hell out of its competition. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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My do some people look stupid betting against Intels P6 tech, when its predecessors were even kicking the hell out of its competition. :lol: :lol: :lol:

did you just commented on a post from 2 years ago? lol

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did you just commented on a post from 2 years ago? lol

yup i love refering back to old posts its kinda fun, this was back when the AMD fanbois thought there A64 would never be beat..... HAHAHAHAHA sorry but its so funny, and no dont get me wrong, AMD's time will come and they shall return.

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Yah amd is more efficent than any of intel's proccesor's all the others are stupid

Reply to kissmyass

Yah amd is better than intel at speed and at efficenty because I am a computer engineeer and I test computer's every day and amd kicked intel's **** but. and eveyone who thinks intel is better they are **** retard stupid

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Yah amd is better than intel at speed and at efficenty because I am a computer engineeer and I test computer's every day and amd kicked intel's **** but. and eveyone who thinks intel is better they are **** retard stupid

I know I'd take you for an engineer and an AMD fan, your writing is wonderful.

You can even make up new words like "efficenty", I'm e-mailing Wikipedia now so they can add it. :bounce:

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way to bring back a 3 year old thread.

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way to bring back a 3 year old thread.

That's the way to tell him blackpanther, I bet "kissmyass" won't do that again!!

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