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I was looking around on the forums and I found a lot of other people my age building their first computer. I was actually kinda jealous of that. But I also saw that everyone on here was helped nicely. I am looking foward to start posting on these forums. I'm glad I found this big and helpful community.

I have my own job washing dishes and busing tables and in the summer I mow a lot of grass. I have been saving up for a computer for a very long time and I'm even paying for 100% of this. I'm not having "mommy and daddy" buy everything for me, my parents believe in earning your own possessions. I got bored with my xbox and my psp, so I sold them on ebay to get the money for my computer.

Anyways down to bussiness. Heres all the specs. I was also wondering if my case would keep everything cool or would I have to buy additional fans/cooling system. I'm not really looking to overclock anything. Suggestions and ideas are greatly appreciated!

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Case - ASUS Vento 3600 Black
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811173008)
Processor - AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ 2.4GHz
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103545)
Motherboard - ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813131517)
Power Supply - Ultra X2 Connect 550-Watt
(http://www.tigerdirect.com/applica [...] u=ULT31851)
RAM - OCZ Value Series 2GB (2 x 1GB) Dual Channel
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820146841)
HD - Western Digital 250GB SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822144701)
Video Card - eVGA GeForce 7800 GT OC SE256MB
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814130256)
CD/DVD Burner - NEC DVD Burner
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827152058)
Speakers - Logitech Z-2300
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6836121122)
Mouse - Logitech G5 Laser Mouse
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6826104191)
Keyboard - Standard Microsoft Black Media Keyboard
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6823109125)
Monitor - Dell UltraSharp 1905FP 19" Flat Panel
(http://www1.us.dell.com/content/pr [...] dfb#tabtop)
OS - Microsoft Windows Media Center 2005
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6832102357)
Addtional Items
Tools - PC Service Toolkit
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6899888001)
Mouse Pad - sUrface1030 Archetype
(http://www.func.net/products/archetype/index.html)

Estimated Final Price (Tax+SH Included): $2,256.43

Future Upgrades
Sound Card - Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi
(http://www.tigerdirect.com/applica [...] 0&NoMapp=0)
Monitor - Dell 2405FPW or 2005FPW Widescreen LCD (I'll use it with my 19" lcd and I'll have dual monitors)
HDTV Tuner - ?

Also I don't know whether or not to buy an anti static wrist band. Whats your thoughts on them. And I've been reading a lot of guides on how to assemble a pc, but I was wondering if there is any good ones that your aware of.

Thank You So Much!

Edit #1: I took your suggestions and got rid of the sound card and got a better video card. I like the CPU and I don't really want to downgrade.

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Where the hell are all you kids getting your money?

Well I guess I got my first AMD 133 when I was that age... that was 1500 dollars of my own money... sweet jesus, I'm getting old!

Reply to purelithium
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Haha, I've been saving up for long time for this and even made a few hundred bucks selling some of my stuff on ebay. I will be using this for my multimedia center, gaming center, and for school too. Another thing I would like to add is an HDTV tuner too, I forgot to add that.

Reply to d0m

The 6600 GT won't do much for a gaming center.

Reply to Heyyou27

Damn dude, where are you guys getting this money, my first build was only 800 bucks, and i still have it today. Thats a nice system, but thats alot of money, get sumthin more mainstream, and buy a car with the extra cash.

Reply to Danger-KeepAway
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After I buy this computer, I'm saving up for my car. That is exactly what I'm going to do.

Reply to d0m

check-it
get a 3800+ does everything you want fine dont think you will notice any diff
get a 7800gt,then you can actually game at a reasonable fps
that case is trash,my bud got it for himself and its cheap and plastic on the outside and heavy and steel on the inside, i suggest a lian-libest choice i made.
get a soundblaste audigy2 zs and save yourself some $$$
invest in a 20-24 inch monitor you will be much happier
xp-pro will guve you all you want you can still all the things you said mce will just cause problems
grab you some round cables for better airflow

just what i would do for the cash

Reply to Dybowski
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Where the hell are all you kids getting your money?

Well I guess I got my first AMD 133 when I was that age... that was 1500 dollars of my own money... sweet jesus, I'm getting old!



In grade 9, using the money I made while working at McDonald's I bought a P2 400 with Dual 12 mb Voodoo 2s and a 6.4 GB harddrive... cost me over 3000 for that PC.

Reply to xwar

Lol wicked!

my computer had a 1gb drive, I don't remember what the graphics were, but I loved to play Quake on that baby.

Reply to purelithium

my first comp i got about 7 years ago was a intel p2 400 also 4.0Gb hdd 64mb ram(upgraded to 384) and i got a ton of free voodoo 5 5500s for some reason...so i got like 4 of those. yeah i loved playing q1 and 2 on there now it can play q3 with a little lag from to many bots at once.

Reply to TenaciousleyDead

:D :D wow your 1 year older when i first started bulding comps btw get a better graphics card and dump the soundcard also get the opty 165 if you plan to oc if not stick with the x2

Reply to dvdpiddy

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You don't need a anti static wrist band. When building, just grab the metal part of the case, and ground yourself. If you do that, nothing will happen.



For a newbie (and anyone for that matter) the 2 dollars for an ESD band is nothing compared to RMA prices, not to mention the nail biting two weeks before you get your new gear if you F it up. I always wear ESD bands because I've been dumb and fried crap before...

For the keeping your conscience clean the price is 100% worth it. :-)

Reply to kyleawesome

this may sound dumd but how can you ground your selfim guseeing standing on the ground?

Reply to Dybowski

:D
You are grounding any electrical current in your body. You just touch a large enough piece of metal to do this. Part of your computer tower is metal and works fine.

No you don't have to lie down to do it. :o

Reply to lateralex

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You don't need a anti static wrist band. When building, just grab the metal part of the case, and ground yourself. If you do that, nothing will happen.



For a newbie (and anyone for that matter) the 2 dollars for an ESD band is nothing compared to RMA prices, not to mention the nail biting two weeks before you get your new gear if you F it up. I always wear ESD bands because I've been dumb and fried crap before...

For the keeping your conscience clean the price is 100% worth it. :-)

It may sound wreckless but I've built several and never used an anti static grounding band.

The main thing to remember when building the computer is don't touch any metal parts on the circuit boards and before you touch any computer parts touch your case or something metal to discharge any static in your body.

If you are building this on a carpeted surface don't drag your feet. [it would be best to avoid carpet if you can]

The bad thing about grounding straps is that you could get careless, if the grounding strap becomes ungrounded or you once forget to put it on then you're doomed.

But if you get in the habit of touching the case first before you pick up any circuit board or pc part, I'd say it's better than a grounding strap. It's risky, but I've built several now and never had a problem.

Reply to pip_seeker
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I know I sound dumb if I ask this, but how do you use the anti static wrist band? Do you just clamp it to the metal part of the case and slide it on your wrist?

Reply to d0m
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After I buy this computer, I'm saving up for my car. That is exactly what I'm going to do.



I thought about buying a new car... Then I saw how much it was going to cost me in insurance... I'm still driving my old one :lol:

Reply to Maxiius
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Does anyone have the xifi card? I really wanted it because I love my music, and I want a good card if I'm going to get decent speakers. Tell me your thoughts on the xifi.

Reply to d0m

dont listen to people saying you dont need a wrist band because you do.

6 good reasons why you should wear one

1. you can take more care and its easier to handle components with 2 hands

2. you dont need to remeber to hold onto the case all the time, how can you take a cpu out of the packed and position it carefully whilst holding a case?

3. you can touch nearly any part of the component you want without dodgying contacts.

5. you can still hold onto the case should you feel the need.

6. only cowboys dont use one.

as for remebering the days of fisrt pcs my first one was from 1998 a PII 266 and 4 gig HD 32mb cost be £1300 i wished i kept some money for a car :(

d0m to use a wrist band you clamp it to a bear metal piece of the case and connect the power to the case. switch the power off on the back of the psu aswel for saftey, its still grounded with the power off.

Reply to fluxpunk
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You can drop the Windows MCE 2005 for a Windows XP Pro(better, couse MCE is SLOWER) You wont notice the differents with the X2 4400 and X2 4200, let alone the differents between the X2 4200 and the X2 4600, so? Get a X2 3800. What ca gonna do with a SLI mobo if your not gonna get two 7800GT's? Dont give me the **** on the "upgrade later with an extra blah blah blah." Its no worth the premium, yep you heard it right. Its cheaper to buy a single card next generation card later, if you have the bang, go SLI, but not later, when the 8800GT comes out the 7800GT is like cheap? Not soo much, its better you get single card if you dont SLI when you only buy one card, then buy later, its not worth the wait anyway. So get a nForce 4 ultra mobo, and sav some $$$ on bank for next generation card.

Reply to xgas

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dont listen to people saying you dont need a wrist band because you do.

6 good reasons why you should wear one

1. you can take more care and its easier to handle components with 2 hands



I touch the case first then handle components with both hands. The only reason to touch the case is to expel any static your body has on it. Your body doesn't generate static. It happens mostly when it is very dry and you drag your feet across the floor, most is generated from carpeting, but your clothes you are wearing could generate it too.

If it's humid then it's alot less likely.


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2. you dont need to remeber to hold onto the case all the time, how can you take a cpu out of the packed and position it carefully whilst holding a case?



You don't have to hold onto the case at all times, just touch it before you grab a part and hold all parts from the edges as much as possible / avoid touching circuitry on the cards or the pins of the cpu.

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3. you can touch nearly any part of the component you want without dodgying contacts.



not a good practice to get into.

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5. you can still hold onto the case should you feel the need.



gee thanks for permission.

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6. only cowboys dont use one.



and people who know they will become careless if they use one. The strap is only good if it is truly grounded. If it's not or you forget to ground it, then it's worthless.

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d0m to use a wrist band you clamp it to a bear metal piece of the case and connect the power to the case. switch the power off on the back of the psu aswel for saftey, its still grounded with the power off.



yes, this is the first thing you said that is correct. You should do the same thing if you decide not to use a grounding strap.

Reply to pip_seeker
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You can drop the Windows MCE 2005 for a Windows XP Pro(better, couse MCE is SLOWER) You wont notice the differents with the X2 4400 and X2 4200, let alone the differents between the X2 4200 and the X2 4600, so? Get a X2 3800. What ca gonna do with a SLI mobo if your not gonna get two 7800GT's? Dont give me the **** on the "upgrade later with an extra blah blah blah." Its no worth the premium, yep you heard it right. Its cheaper to buy a single card next generation card later, if you have the bang, go SLI, but not later, when the 8800GT comes out the 7800GT is like cheap? Not soo much, its better you get single card if you dont SLI when you only buy one card, then buy later, its not worth the wait anyway. So get a nForce 4 ultra mobo, and sav some $$$ on bank for next generation card.



looks like someone was abused as a young child...

Reply to d0m

pip_seeker i aint after a bitch fight, just recommending help! I build systems all the time and i do know the dos and donts, also been to college for 7 years all i was saying was some advise and if the kid doesnt buy a wrist strap and holds a component(unsure if he moves if he will blow it) and damages it nhe may not be able to get a return.

I dont know if you know but if you damage a componnete via static and they find out you have lost you money for the $2 its worth i would say to him to get one and not listen to a load of people taming him into bad habits and touch the case to the 'beat'.

Hope all goes well with your first build :lol:

Reply to fluxpunk

I agree with prozac. Just touch the case before you pick something up, and you'll be fine.

Reply to purelithium
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Can someone help me find a good dual core AMD processor. I'm looking at the X2s (4200+ and above). I really dont want the FX because its out of my price range. What would you recommend?

Reply to d0m

How is Media Center any slower than regular Windows XP Pro?
Also, I never wear an antistatic wrist band.

Reply to Heyyou27

I'd reccommend you get a 4400+ instead of a 4600+. Yes, the clock speed is 200 MHz slower. However, it has 2 x 1MB of L2 cache as opposed to the 4600+'s 2 x 512 KB cache. The extra cache will help some applications, but the clock speed with be better for others. You will have a bit of extra money though.

And I'm an 8th grader also. I have about $400 saved up right now, but my dad said he'll give me $1000 to a new PC if I keep my 4.0 for the rest of the year. =P

Also, where DID you get all that money? Thats a ton.

Reply to teh_squaterer
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Thanks for the advice. Its nice to see another kids my age with the same ambition to build a pc.

Reply to d0m
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MCE is said slower because it runs more processes in the background than Pro, I don't notice a difference running either one just the extra processes using up memory. Mce just adds a bunch of bells and whistles its kinda cool for a while but i rarely use it anymore. My current tv tuner card isnt supported under mce one of the reasons I dont use ir in mce mode much.

Just my 2 cents what its worth.

Reply to Pleo

I always stayed away from Tiger Direct.

Also dell has a 1906FP if you didn't know, I don't know what the difference is but 6 is greater than 5 8)

Reply to sonnyisthinkn
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Thanks for the advice. Its nice to see another kids my age with the same ambition to build a pc.


hey year im the same age and i just built my new rig

get a 4400+ and i reckon get a A8N-SLi premium

Reply to benno
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1906FP cost more than the 1905FP, also the 1906FP is practically the same thing as the 1905FP, but its has a different stand and its made for those dell optiplex pcs.

Also why should I upgrade my mobo from deluxe to premium? I really dont see a big difference between the two boards, besides price.

Reply to d0m
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dude dont get the athlon 64 instead get a opteron 170, a dfi dr-expert, dont get value ram for one thing just get 1 gig of gold or platinum form ocz it should be enuff. the hd is fine although id roll with seagate.the psu is ok not that bad. also the case is terrible it doesnt have enuff fans and its mid tower get something full tower like the thermaltake armor series or the nzxt lexa

Reply to kais
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Yo, Grade Ten, but in Austrlia, not sure how that cmpares to where you are.

Anyways, Static wrist bands, while a nice safeguard, aren't something you NEED. I play around with my shitbox all the time, it doesnt care, just dont touch anything but the rim of the proccessor, they are really sensitive. Build on wood, touch case every so often and you'll be fine. I play around on the carpet in my room, but if I'm doing anything major, I take it either downstairs onto the concrete or into the dining room, onto wood.

I think older computers are less sensitive than new ones though - I hung a 486DX up on my wall using a bulldog clip for about a year, chucked it back into its motherboard and it worked fine. Was useless becuase, uhh, its a 486DX, but is worked. Put it back on wall now :p

Upgrading my own PIII to something dual core soon (need about another $100 bucks, which I should get from woolies next week, so let us know how yours goes.

EDIT: Sorry, just saw post above. Ok - Gold or Platinum RAM is a very big price difference, very small, if any performance difference. Value RAM is fine for what you are doing, the whole, you know, 1 fps isnt really worth it - you are far better off with 2 gig of value ram than 1 gig of 'Gold' or 'Platinum' ram.

Your case IS crap however. Go with something like the Centuroin 532, get the one with the included 430watt PSU, and your set. If you run out of power later on, upgrade. No big woop. Dont see much point in getting the Deluxe version of that board - do you have something that uses a x4 PCI-E slot, or 8 SATA II hard disks? Try for a Lite-ON burner, but NEC is fine. I agree with other, an X2 4400+ is a better buy than a 4600+. Dont see point of Opterons, shit about them being better quility is just that, shit. If you are gaming, dont get a Dell LCD panel. Go a Samsung or an LG, heard bad things about Phillips. Viewsonics low end panels are crap, my brother has one, some chronic light leakage. Viewsonics high end panels are supposed to be awesome, but I've never used one, so cant really say.

With a logitech G5 mouse, you dont really need a uber duber mouse pad, the G5 should work superbly on just about anything. The only tools I have EVER needed to build a PC is a flat head screwdriver and a phillips head screwdriver. The end.

Might want to get a wireless keyboard - are a blessing for laptop computing. by that I mean keyboard on Lap, frying your semen with radiation.
Oh yeah, those speakers are only 2.1. Admitadly, they are awsome 2.1 speakers, THX certified If I'm not mistaken, but you might want to look into a surround sound set, either 5.1 or 7.1.

Just stick the model name of the part your after into google and read some reviews and forums on it.

Have fun now.

Reply to pyrix
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New List.

Case - ASUS Vento 3600 Black
Processor - AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ 2.2GHz
Motherboard - ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe
OS - Microsoft Windows Media Center 2005
Power Supply - Ultra X2 Connect 550-Watt
RAM - OCZ Value Series 2GB (2 x 1GB) Dual Channel
HD - Western Digital 250GB SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
Video Card - eVGA Geforce 7800GT 256MB
Sound Card - Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi
CD/DVD Burner - NEC DVD Burner
Speakers - Logitech Z-2300
Mouse - Logitech G5 Laser Mouse
Keyboard - Standard Microsoft Black Media Keyboard
Monitor - 19" Black Samsung 930b LCD
Mouse Pad - sUrface1030 Archetype
Headset - Logitech Extreme PC Gaming Headset
+ Anti-Static Band

Reply to d0m
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Just as a thought....you really still might want to consider XP Pro instead of Media Center. I just got a laptop and was going to get MCE but decided to go with Pro. I do everything I want including encoding, music, etc... I know people that like it too but they are also not heavy users.

Reply to Chazz27

I'd drop the op system and get xp pro. A lot of corperations and large businesses use it and will be supported far beyond the one you ordered, and xp home version.

Reply to swifty_morgan
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If I did my homework correctly MCE 2005 has all the features of XP Pro and Home and obviously the media control additions. Anything that Pro, MCE 2005 can do.

Reply to d0m
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The ASUS vento BREAKS. Dont buy it.

Reply to pyrix

Don't listen to Swifty morgan, he doesn't know what he's talking about. Microsoft is going to be eager to drop all XP support, if they can get you to buy Vista.

Reply to Heyyou27
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The ASUS vento BREAKS. Dont buy it.


I can buy any case, and break it. Everything breaks, be a little more specific next time.

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