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OMG....after you buy Vista, Aliens will land and suck your brains out from your ears!!!!!...

sry about ranting at you maliszewski. i jumped the gun and should have looked who you were replying to, however, i still stand by what i said. if microsoft paid too much attention to some people they woudlnt release anything new no matter how small an improvement.

whether i buy a copy or not is hard to say. even if it looks good superficially only then i don't know, but if it provides a better platform for programs to run on then yes i will. my problem is with people not realising that this is a freeworld and that the majority should not rule but that everyone, no matter how small a minority should be allowed a choice in how things affect them.

I am running it on a
P4 2.8C
2x 512mb Kingston ValueRam
XFX 6600GT 256 AGP

Runs fine. This is hardly stupidly powerful hardware the last time I checked and handles the Beta version of Vista just fine.

I wouldn't upgrade for the sake of it but considering I'm allowed to use my work's volume licence at home I'd be silly not to...... IF the operating system offers substantial improvements over it's predecessor.

Anyway I have three hard drives in my PC and I can use two of them for OS's so I'm silly not to at least have a play around with Vista even if it is only in beta form.

I think upgrading to Vista for most people who consider themselves fairly savvy in the computer department will seem a little pointless at first but you'll wonder how you ever did without things in the first place. Just like you'll wonder how you ever did without a GUI in the DOS days

BTW AK47..... you said that Vista will need a gig of ram. This is not true. You will only need 512mb to be Vista ready but older machines with 128mb of ram or 256 mb should still run. But you're silly if you ever buy in with the minimum specs because when it comes to being 2 years down the track your PC will be abysmally slow! Best to spend a little more and get something that will actally be Vista ready IMHO

Exactly.

The natural progression everyone is talking about is fine, but don't tell people who don't care about upgrading that they are wrong. They are just being an informed consumer and not some happy go lucky upgrader.

If you don't vote with your money, then Microsoft will keep coming out with a subpar product.

-Mark

306maxi forgot to ask is your sig a quote from the simpsons when marge takes a job a the power plant.

yes, i know its off topic but asked anyway

Most of you are forgeting that Vista will not storm the market from PC gurus like the ones on this forum, but the average Joe User who buys his/her next Dell, HP, or whatever. Once the "home users" begin to buy new computers, the rest of us will not be far behind. Why? Because us guru's will want to be superior to mere mortals that buy $400 and $800 PCs. We want to rule the gaming universe. It won't happen immediately--I HATED XP, it "forced" you to run at 800X600 instead of 640X480 which for me was a big todo since I had no $$$ and my 14" CRT monitor was all I needed.

This sounds stupid, but trust me, in one year from now, all these stupid ridiculous claims will sound stupid as well. 64MB video card too much? Spend the $30 for the GeForce MX4000 or ATI X300 'n shut up. 512MB ECC RAM a frikin hardship? Buy Corsair non-ECC and shout in MS's face that it works fine. Shut up now until you know. You can buy a Vista-ready PC TODAY for only $500 easy. In two years you guys will have or want Vista for one reason or another, whether for DirectX10 or whatever else.

I'm not buying Vista right away either, I'll likely wait until at least SP1 (usually 6 months to a year after initial release). My point is you guys are throwing fits over nonsense you know little about. I'm not speaking of everyone who's posted--in fact mpjesse has the most sense of anyone posting here. Finally, remember we arent the only people who use computers--ignorant consumers will get Vista before you do, and most (not all) of us will ENVY them for it, mark my words.

Who said anything about buying it?

Would yo go into a shop and steal a new graphics card?

yeah, i would.

No I wouldn´t do that.

I am just telling you that there are other ways of getting software...

yeah like stealing it off the internet the good old chinese way. sad thing is, i have to steal windows xp (that i did pay for) because they want 25 freaking bucks for a replacement cd...

For what its worth, I think that other than initial supply troubles that may arise and rasies prices, the switch to ECC is a good thing. If it helps Vista run more stable, then great. More importantly, high end machines with large amounts of memory should have it for data accuracy. And it is not a requirement, just a strong reccomendation.

As far as upgrading and vision people, I never said that I don't think they should not release it, or that I will not buy it at all. I said that I know what is usually involved after an OS release and will wait till I see real evaluations of the product before I buy it. I am all for progress, I just haven't seen any improvements yet that really excite me.

Yeah actually your right, it is a good thing that microsoft is recommending ECC memory because what it will do is bring down the high prices. They will be within Non-ECC memory prices shortly after vista launch I am thinking.

-Mark

I don't get it, this is a good thing! maybe not for the first buyers but they are a pointless proportion of the eventual sales so who cares.

Windows does a far better job at coping with the memory quagmire than people give it credit for. What would rather MS do, spend months trying to cope when anything anywhere dies for no good reason, or giving you better features and performance from your OS?

If MS push this slightly stronger, then more ECC enabled mobo's will appear and more ECC memory will be made to fill them and everyone will benefit from having less random crashes that they can't diagnose.

As for the speed penalty: the more its used, the more research will be spent on making it faster. (and tbh I think the 5 minutes it saved by not rebooting more than covers that 1-2fps you got from oc'ing your memory.

As for overclocking wtf? you can and will be able to (when it gets more common use) overclock ECC stuff but 'never' too far.

almost all ECC ram is low speed, low performance ram that is sub par to what else is out there. i don't think ECC is that big of a deal, its more the software that matters.

you missed 'at the moment' from the begining of that sentance!

agreed currently it is slower, but not because its ECC, but because there is not a big market that demands it being faster, with vista there will be such a market and that market will be catered for.

all Software has to be loaded into memory of some kind...and no amount of programming will help if that memory system is flawed at any stage.

So I guess if it were up to you we'd all still be using Windows 3.11. Windows 3.11 can surf the net, it can do spreadsheets, it can play games, it can do powerpoint. So what's the difference between 3.11 and WinXP? Why should anyone upgrade to WindowsXP if Win3.11 can do all that?

If you have no interest in using it, then shut up and move on to the next thread.

For the record, here's what so damn compelling about Vista:
1. Better stability and security.
2. The beginning of the end for the registry
3. Completely new hardware accelerated GUI
4. Better support for EMT64/x86
5. WinFS (will be an add on... instant search results for anything on ur system... SQLesque)

I could go on forever. For me I think the coolest thing is this:



No more flipping through internet explorer browsers using the task bar.

-mpjesse

Who uses Internet Explorer? :?:

So I guess if it were up to you we'd all still be using Windows 3.11. Windows 3.11 can surf the net, it can do spreadsheets, it can play games, it can do powerpoint. So what's the difference between 3.11 and WinXP?

If you have no interest in using it, then shut up and move on to the next thread.

-mpjesse
Can windows 3.11 support a wireless adapter? no

Can windows 3.11 support warcraft III? no

Can windows 3.11 support a 300 GB harddrvie? no

Can windows 3.11 support many of the modern webpages? no

Do windows 3.11 support todays plug and play devices? no

So you see there is a reason to upgrade from windows 3.11 and like I said when there is a compelling reason to upgrade to windows Vista I will probably buy a new computer. You still haven't listed a compelling feature worth upgrading for. I myself could even mention a few, but I guess you would rather get angry at me. That's fine.

If they truly had something revolutionary I would upgrade, but as of now I don't see it. No reason to get mad about it. Just because you see it as visionary doesn't mean it is. And just because it is new does not make it good or visionary, lol.

-Mark