Amd or intel? BEST OC performance

a lot of people who don't know better like to claim that their Athlons perform better than Intel's in OC... which I tend to disagree with. I see people overclocking to 4.2Ghz on air, at least, and that beats a lot of AMD's right there, put watercooling in and go higher, usually the Intel wins.

I agree about keeping n2o out.. but what about watercooling? anyways, I've heard of 4.4Ghz on air, and benchmarks are strong against AMD... that I've seen. I should research more, and do some live testing maybe. THG did a comparison of a 3.4Ghz versus a FX-57 or something, and while the FX beat the P4 in normal, when they overclocked the P4 to 4.2Ghz or something, (i forget), but it was to the max on air, and the same to the FX, up to 2.9Ghz, the P4 was taking the lead, on top of the benchmarks... but this is something that has really interested me, and I'm interested to see what other ppl say.

so intel with all its heat and power problems takes the cake. thats if u want a steamy chassis and a big power bill hahaah. well the fastest proc is the fastest proc. dam i wish it werent so. but the oc crown goes to intel. stock crown goes to amd? theres no pride in that tho..except for the casual user

Custom Watercooling rig?

Watercooling does little to help overclockers hit the speeds they're seeking. Watercooling isn't even as good as some of the highend air coolers out there. Albeit Watercooling isn't near as noisy.

I run some watercooled rigs, but my main rigs use Thermoelectric modules (Peltier). It's not as extreme as let's say Phase Change or LN but it's far more flexible.

Just a watercooling rig with a highflow setup is needed (like a cheap Maze block or Swiftech MCW5002 block). Hook up a 226-300Watts Pelt to a dedicated 320W 12v power supply and you've got a Thermo-Electric cooled rig.

Mine does -19C on idle and -8C on load.. results vary. Just depends on the way it's setup. Most important part is keeping the flowrate high. Unlike high end watercooling rigs which work better using spray nossles (and more restrictive block designs) Thermo-electric setups need the water to move fast to get the heat away as quickly as possible.

3.2GHz on a Dual Core 4800+ ..yep.. easilly achievable.

Even custom built kits have trouble keeping up with today's Highend Air Coolers.

Even a Storm G5 block by Cathar mixed with an MCP655 and a The Black Ice® Xtreme III XFlow Rad have issues keeping those CPU's cool.

P4s do, PMs do, PDs (not by a huge margin, but hey), PEEs do. Actually almost anything Intel has to offer takes the cake. Almost because Ive never seen OCed Xeons. P4s go like 5 GHz, PMs go 4.1 GHz (SuperPI WR), PDs in the 4.5 range give or take some and PEE should get those 4.4 maybe even 4.5. Come on, cant really beat that, can ya?

On a sidenote I have to say that Im uber scared of Conroe. Those 3.33 GHz Extreme Editions must be evil to the bones, mean like nothing else and COOL. I think we can expect nice OC results even from that already OCed CPU.

I have yet to see anyone clock a P4 to 5GHz on air or water alone. I've seen them clocked all the way to 7.1GHz on LN2... but not on air or water.

No, but I've seen the 955EE at 5GHz on a vapochill system.