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I would like a new motherboard with the following criteria for use as a high end workstation running Photoshop -

1. Takes Pentium D (could consider a dual AMD solution if it meets the other criteria)
2. Has minimum 2 x PCI-X at 133MHz
3. Takes DDR2 at 533 or 667 and up to 4GB
4. Does not require ECC memory
5. Graphics is PCIe x 16

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http://www.supermicro.com/products [...] /PDSGE.cfm

ECC is not required, even fif that's way specs seem to be written. Basing that on fact that suggested memory at ddr2-667 is a kingston chip that is non-ecc

http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/co [...] 67D2N5/256

Reply to etp777

Thanks. I had actually found this board but it was the only one. In New Zealand it is available on special order and cost $550 (about USD380). I felt that this was a little expensive for what should be a far more common board. Or am I mistaken ?
I would have thought that far more people should be looking for something like this.

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Supermicro is not a common board, and it runs 319.99 from CDW, oen of bigger vendors here in the states(could find it cheaper elsewhere, but it gives you an idea of price). 99.999% of people have absolutely no need for PCI-X slots in a desktop, which is why there's not a market for this board with desktop buyers. And for that very reason it's not aimed at desktops, but instead at low end workstations(their higher end workstation boards use Xeons).

So special order and $550 isn't surprising.

Reply to etp777

H'mm maybe the board isn't so expensive here then. I am mainly looking for a new board for my wife who is a heavy Photoshop user. With some of the things she does the fastest memory, disk access and processor speed she has results in much less time waiting for things to happen. I even use an Ultra320 SCSI disk for swap space. If you are serious about digital photography then this is what you need. I have seen work files of 400MB and print jobs 600MB in size. Storage is well over 400GB even after backups. Currently we both have XP2800+ systems with 1GB. During an evening she can end up waiting for an hour for various processing. However both system have lasted for well over 3 years so we have had our money from them. A dual Xeon system might perform slightly faster because of 2 seperate processors and cache but this might even be lost because of slower memory. Would cost more for possibly little gain.
I would class this as desktop use all-be-it heavy (it is a home PC after all). I suppose it comes down to semantics. I view a workstation as the front end to a weather forecasting system or use for serious modelling at a University.
I have to admit that since I own a computer sales and service company I probably have different ideas as to the best solution. I am definitely fed-up with my wife turning round to me and tapping her fingers on my desk while she is waiting for a response from her computer.

Reply to chriscalvert

Tyan boards are easier to get in Australia / New Zealand IMHO. SuperMicro is more of an 'USA / UK' brand.

http://www.tyan.com/products/html/systemboards.html

For Photoshop, etc I would also recommend Intel Pentium D, or Pentium D Extreme Edition (2 cores, each HyperThreaded), if you're a performance junkie. You can get similar performance from an Opteron in Photoshop but it would honestly actually cost more than the Intel solution for the particular work you are doing.

If you can find Intel Xeons cheaply you might be better off (cost wise) sourcing some cheaply instead of the more 'consumer oriented' Pentium D series..... then again maybe not. (butcher a 2nd hand server perhaps ?).

Contact: http://users.on.net/~darkpeace

Check: http://www.staticice.com.au ; aswell, at least for AU, might be able to find them on a few PC étailors. For NZ the price would be a shade higher. (AU vs NZ dollar, and import overheads, etc).

New Zealand PC hardware is priced about 3-6 months behind Australia (for various economic / political reasons)

Oddly enough that is the 2nd time today I've recommended Tyan, but lots of people here are after 'higher power' machines I guess. :P

Updated: Gigabyte also have a rather good, but little known, and easy to get high end mainboard line: http://www.giga-byte.com.au/Server [...] rBoard.htm
and they offer PCI-X capable chipsets (and slots) on some less well known but 'consumerish' boards at: http://www.giga-byte.com.au/Mother [...] t_List.htm

You're after Intel Socket 775, for Pentium D, with PCI-X right ?, and maybe Xeon with PCI-X ?

For example, would something like: http://www.gigabyte.com.hr/Server/ [...] -4MXSV.htm ; suit your requirements ?

Or is PCI-X not really a requirement ?, eg: Are you just after SATA RAID-0 with NCQ ? you could save alot of $$$ by just using Intel Matrix RAID onboard (can do RAID 0 and RAID 1 on seperate partitions over the same two HDDs. Very useful in your situation, and more cost effective than looking at mainboards with PCI-X slots).

If so check out: http://www.giga-byte.com.au/Mother [...] et+775.htm ; then scroll all the way down to Intel i945, i955 and i975 series boards. The nForce 4 boards for Intel would also likely do what you want (but Intel Matrix RAID is likely more useful to you than the nVidia nForce feature set).

PS: Just using Giga-byte as an example, but they are often underestimated and have more variety at the "prosumer / workstation" mainboard segment than Asus, MSI or other "extreme overclocker" style brands.

Final Edit: 10 PM AEST (Canberra time)

Reply to TabrisDarkPeace

You're after Intel Socket 775, for Pentium D, with PCI-X right ?, and maybe Xeon with PCI-X ?

Yes. But if Xeon then PCI-X AND PCIe x 16 and preferably memory not ECC (bcause there is a 50% premium and it isn't required for a workstation).

For example, would something like: http://www.gigabyte.com.hr/Server/ [...] -4MXSV.htm ; suit your requirements ?

The GS-4MXSV has no PCIe x 16 only x8. And the PCI-X is only to 100MHz. I have looked at this board already and it is close.

Or is PCI-X not really a requirement ?, eg: Are you just after SATA RAID-0 with NCQ ? you could save alot of $$$ by just using Intel Matrix RAID onboard (can do RAID 0 and RAID 1 on seperate partitions over the same two HDDs. Very useful in your situation, and more cost effective than looking at mainboards with PCI-X slots).

I want PCI-X because you can plug in either (or both) SATA II raid boards that run at x8 speed of PCI bus and U320 64 bit boards to give SCSI a hurryup. Until motherboards and controller boards come out that have PCIe x 4 or 8 then PCI-X has the edge.

If so check out: http://www.giga-byte.com.au/Mother [...] et+775.htm ; then scroll all the way down to Intel i945, i955 and i975 series boards. The nForce 4 boards for Intel would also likely do what you want (but Intel Matrix RAID is likely more useful to you than the nVidia nForce feature set).

I want to use raid 10 on a 4 channel SATA II controller for max performance, redundancy and capacity.

PS: Just using Giga-byte as an example, but they are often underestimated and have more variety at the "prosumer / workstation" mainboard segment than Asus, MSI or other "extreme overclocker" style brands.

I am not interested in overclocking. I have enough problems keeping systems running with the software I load without complicating life
by overclocking.

Final Edit: 10 PM AEST (Canberra time)[/quote]

Reply to chriscalvert
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I would suggest this board:

http://tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8we.html

which is very much along the lines of what TabrisDarkPeace suggested :D


The S2895 is a great Dual CPU Dual Core capable board with 2 PCI-Express x16 slots for SLI AND 64bit PCI-X slots on 2 independent PCI-X buses for MORE bandwidth :!: :!: :!:

Normal boards have 1 PCI-X bus running at 64bit x 33 | 66 | 100 | 133 MHz with 2112 | 4224 | 6400 | 8512 Gbps = 264 | 528 | 800 | 1064 MB/sec SHARED bandwidth while this board has one PCI-X bus @ 64 x 100 MHz [BRIDGE B] and another PCI-X bus @ 64 x 133 MHz [BRIDGE A] which would allow you to run one RAID controller on BRIDGE A and another one on BRIDGE B for significantly better performance :!: :!: :!:

The 3ware 9550SX SATA II controller is capable of 800MB/sec reads and 380MB/sec writes in RAID 5 if you use enough HDDs.

The S2895 is also available with onboard U320 SCSI as well.

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