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that is a x1950pro in the link, but get it anyways. The 2600xt is not a very powerful card.

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as far as i know, after using the 7.8 drivers of AMD, 2600xt is better than 8600gt and a little less than a 8600gts.and its price is nearly the same as of 8600gt. so 2600xt must be the best buy for the category of cards in $115. what do u guys say.

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SAP X1950 PRO 512MB PCI-E RETAIL is this a good card updateing from
ati x800gto2 ....getting card 2 run bioshock

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jjburnell wrote :

SAP X1950 PRO 512MB PCI-E RETAIL is this a good card updateing from
ati x800gto2 ....getting card 2 run bioshock



Yep, that'd be a decent Bioshock upgrade. :)

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how much would i get for a sapphire ati x800gto2 256mb limited editon

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Do an advanced search on ebay to see what the last ones sold for.

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Hm i see that for agb the ATI1950pro is the best. I used the tomshardware compare to compare it with my old 6600GT and it got 3 times as fast graphics. BUT i have only a P4 - 3ghz will my P4 be enough for the new graphicscard or will it be a bottleneck and does my system will not get any faster?

In other worths will it be usefull to buy a new card for fatser gaming?

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Compared with a 6600GT you will see a fairly big increase in performance. But, yes your cpu will bottleneck it a bit....but im sure it will work great.

The bigger issue here will be your psu. Make sure it has the watts and amps required to run the card. You will something around the 400-450 watt range with about 28 amps on the +12V rail(s).

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Hi Guys,

I'm a Counter Strike Source Player.. and my video card start playing up
what is the best video card do you guys recommend for playing this high
graphic games.

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How much can you spend?

and whats the rest of your system like?

AGP or PCI-e?


Message edited by blade85 on 09-24-2007 at 02:56:09 PM
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Ok please help i have a visiontek x1600xt ati with 512 ram but looking at some of the charts i tryed to get a better one that wasnt too expensive because ill be buying a new computer around tax time any way so looking at the charts i jut ordered a geforce 7950 gt but it only has 256 ram so it that really going to be much better or should i just return it my system has a pentium D 2.8 and 2gigs of ram and also 375 waat power that was another issue so any ideas wat to do i would appreciate it thx??? :hello:


Message edited by snook on 09-28-2007 at 01:35:06 PM
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I suggest certain individuals call their primary care providers to set up an appointment to remove the huge stick from their ass.

You can't say this, you can't say that. c'mon people, next you'll be grading each others posts for proper grammar and punctuation.

By the way, it might look something like this:

"Nice post over all but I don't care for the wording of these two statements.

You can't realy(spelling-really) know at any givin (spelling- given) instant what percentage of people come here for a givin(spelling-given) reason. Please consider using the word "Many"( unnecessary capitalization) in place of 50%.

There is no guarantee that a bios update is going to make a(n) x800 as good as a(n) x850. If there was a guarantee(,) you could RMA the card if the extra pipes didn't (" )come on(" ) (suggest replacing with initiate). There may be a very good chance that a(n) x800 upgraded to basically be(to be, subject verb agreement) a(n) x850 but there is no guarantee (sentence fragment). Sorry to be nit picky(,) but if you are going for a sticky the post might as well be as perfect as possible( as, as, as: repetitive-consider revising). Please consider using (the phrase)"has a very good chance" in place of "basically guaranteed".

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buzznut wrote :

I suggest certain individuals call their primary care providers to set up an appointment to remove the huge stick from their ass.



Heheh. I appreciate the support Buzz, but I think you're commenting on a two-year old post.

This thread has been around for a while. :D

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Here are the two killer deals I found on newegg.com

1.) Most likely the best price/perf at $115 presently:

SAPPHIRE 100199L Radeon X1950GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102034

Price: $115

2.) If you are willing to risk it with the rather unknown JetWay, then here's a better card for you at $120:

JetWay X19PR-ED-256M Radeon X1950PRO 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814153034

Price: $120

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Reply to emp

which one wins between ati radeon HD 2600 and Geforce 8600gt??

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2600 XT is a bit better than the 8600 GT when AA is turned off, the 8600 GT is a bit better with AA turned on... although the 8600 GT isn't really fast ehnough to leave AA turned on at resolutions higher than 1024x768.

Out of the two, I'd go 2600 XT.

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hmm... yet another question to add to the 18 page thread, roughly how much more power does a 2900 pro take than an x1900 xt, and how much more heat does it generate (it has occured to me after ordering that one or the other factors may slightly screw me over)


Message edited by spuddyt on 10-05-2007 at 07:02:59 PM
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Instead of comparing it to the X1900XT you should try with the HD2900XT, I believe it draws about 20W less than the XT, which would end up being around the GTX area, give or take a few watts.


Message edited by emp on 10-05-2007 at 08:24:47 PM
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im comparing to the x1900 because thats what I'm using at the moment, so I know it works

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Think around... maybe double the power needed for it as a rough comparison.

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ok, now that is concerning, but I don't THINK I'll need a new PSU

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Ah I'm exaggerating, maybe around 150-175% should do it.

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:lol: great comfort

Reply to spuddyt

Okay, my turn to throw in my dilemma. (All cards are new and prices include shipping)

Sapphire 2900XT - $330
Sapphire 2900Pro - $290
XFX 8800GTS 320 - $280 (+$20 MIR)

I was set on the 2900Pro when it was $265 shipped, but now the 8800GTS seems like the better deal.

Things to consider-
I do have a crossfire motherboard
I run 1680x1050 and I like to run a good bit of AA (can't stand those jaggies)

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I think you should go for the 8800 then, you are the same as me, if you need to use AA then the HD 2900 Pro will fall behind. And the crossfire board is really a moot point unless you're running at 1920x1200 or higher.


Message edited by emp on 10-08-2007 at 08:25:52 PM
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With AA enabled that 320 megs starts to fall on its face in newer games... especially at high res... At this moment if you are wanting to run high res with high AA then 512 megs in minimum IMO, but that is just me.

Rock on man.

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Reply to sojrner

Hi..new here so I apologize if this is in the wrong thread.

I have two questions...

I currently have a Geforce 6800 GT and I'm considering upgrading between the Radeon X1950 Pro (~$174 @ TigerDirect) or GeForce 7950 GT (~$250 @ TigerDirect). The 7950 shows higher benchmarks but not sure enough to justify the $75 difference. I've also read some bad reviews that the 7950 runs hot (at least the XFX version).

So first question is which would be the better buy.

Second question - I've never heard this before but the requirements for the X1950 Pro say:

Minimum System Requirements
Intel® Pentium® 4 or AMD® Athlon® 64 FX CPU's
CPU running at 2.4 GHz or higher

I currently have an Athlon 64 X2 3800 (2.0 GHz)...so would I not be able to run the X1950 Pro? What about the 7950 - any CPU restraints?

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http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/ [...] ards-money

 

There is a reason that link is to the sticky at the top of this forum section. Should answer any Q's on which is best for the money. :)


Message edited by sojrner on 10-11-2007 at 08:23:54 PM
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2.4 Ghz its only for the P4, X2 3800 is way beyond that.
Dont upgrade now if you can, It seems a waste to buy a directx 9 hardware now, when directx 10 is almost a must in newer games, and prices will drop in the next months for cards that supports that well.

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BAUBAU wrote :

It seems a waste to buy a directx 9 hardware now, when directx 10 is almost a must in newer games, and prices will drop in the next months for cards that supports that well.



I'd have to disagree. Even Dx9 hardware will play upcoming titles like Crysis just fine. Low-end Dx10 cards aren't powerful enough to enable Dx10 features anyway, so unless you can afford an 8800 or 2900 XT, you'll probably be running in DirectX 9 mode anyway.

An X1950 PRO would be a fantastic upgrade to a 2.0 GHz Athlon 64.

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I just got my 8800GTS for $250 from zipzoomfly, so $250 for a 7950GT is stupid!

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Thanks guys. I forgot to mention that I'm using AGP...I'm putting off a new system for a couple years more.

BAUBAU - you said 'X2 3800 is way beyond that', how do you figure that? Isn't the X2 3800 a 2.0 GHz chip? or is it 4.0 GHz cause its dual core?

TigerDirect has the HIS RADEON X1950 Pro IceQ3 Turbo V2 for $184..so thats overclocked. I even read a review that said this card performs as good as 7950 GT...opinons anyone?

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Message edited by binskiboys on 10-12-2007 at 05:52:57 PM
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check the charts for the 2 cards on the games YOU want to play

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binskiboys wrote :

TigerDirect has the HIS RADEON X1950 Pro IceQ3 Turbo V2 for $184..so thats overclocked. I even read a review that said this card performs as good as 7950 GT...opinons anyone?



did you even read the list? Best for the money: 7950gt is not even on the list, this means that it is NOT the best for the money. What is on that list: 7900gs/1950pro or else you make the jump to a 1950xt... that is it. anything in between those is outclassed. Seems simple.

It is this very question that this thread (and the articles cleeve puts out once a month) is intended to answer. If you really have a question about the 7950gt then you look at the hierarchy chart and see that it is in the same slot as the 1950pro and is below the 1950xt. In the charts that spuddyt mentioned the 1950xt dominates on most (flight simulator is odd though) while the 1950pro and 7950gt trade blows. IMO the 7950gt is just not the better buy no matter how you look at it... [:mousemonkey]

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sojrner wrote :

did you even read the list? Best for the money: 7950gt is not even on the list, this means that it is NOT the best for the money. [:mousemonkey]



Ok, I just thought the 7950gt was not considered...As you said, it only compares the 7900GS with the X1950 Pro...

I can't find any X1950XT for AGP...so I guess the HIS X1950 Pro Turbo is the way to go - I'm sure I can oc to XT levels.

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the pro will serve you well

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I was going to build a new machine for gaming until i found out how much vista and dx10 really degrades fps in gaming right now.

 

So i am just going to upgrade my fx-55 to a x2 6000 and my ddr-400 memory to ddr2-800. I am going to stick with my 7900gto 512mb video card, i play all my games at 1600x1200 most all options maxed and have not had any fps issues at all. The upgrade cost me a total of about $300, why go out and blow $1,400 on a new gaming rig now especially knowing that the new 45mm cpu are coming out from intel as well as the new video cards from both nvidia and ati. Once the bugs have been worked out and all the reviews are in on what would be best for gaming i will stay with what i got until maybe next summer.

 

Future rig:

 

Intel 45mm quad core q9450 cpu
4gb of ddr2-1066 memory timings of 4-4-4-12
asus motherboard with nice overclocking abilities
nvidia 9800gts 640mb video card
windows vista 64bit
existing acer 22" widescreen lcd
(2) 320gb 10,000 hard drives
etc

 

TC :)


Message edited by tcman41 on 10-15-2007 at 09:36:20 PM
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My XFX 8800GTS 320 came in yesterday. Thus far, I am very impressed!

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For playing on 1024*768 or 1280*1024 and without AA, which one is better??? 8600GT or 2600XT GDDR3

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Neither of those two is the better one, this is the best card at that price range to buy:

 

SAPPHIRE 100199L Radeon X1950GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102034

 

Or even better with this one:

 

Foxconn FV-N79SM2D2-OC GeForce 7900GS 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 SLI Supported Video Card - Retail

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814186013


Message edited by emp on 10-20-2007 at 07:29:39 PM
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I live in Iran& I Can't Buy from this site. x1950pro&7900GS are 40-50$ more expensive than 8600GT or 2600XT. I like DX10 Too. I think After 1 or 2years upcoming game need just DX10...isn't true??

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Yes, but the 8600GT is only DX10 on paper because it lacks the raw performance to be able to keep anything other than a DX10 slideshow on screen.

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Reply to emp

Cheaper! - the two cards GTS together. Would they beat an ultra?? What about the GTX?? I'm sure they would cane both cards..

$600
Geforce 8800 GTS (320 meg OC version x2 in SLI)

vs

$650:
Geforce 8800 ULTRA

Tungston testicles.

Reply to Ironnads

Does anybody know what the noise level is for the Radeon 1650 Pro AGP in the below $100 section is??

Reply to olschool

Where does the Sapphire 169.99 Dollar 256MB 256-bit 2900GT come into play?

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Kohlhagen wrote :

Where does the Sapphire 169.99 Dollar 256MB 256-bit 2900GT come into play?



The 2900 GT is about the same speed as the X1950 PRO. Not a great way to spend your money.

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Reply to Cleeve

Hi All,

BEST PCI-E CARD FOR ~$200 - ~$300:
Geforce 8800 GT


The one tested on TH is Leadtek WinFast PX8800 GT 512MB, I've been looking around and most places are selling it for over $300 which makes me sad in the pants. Next, is there a big difference between brand names concerning performance? The Gigabyte GV-NX88T512H-B is Gigabytes version of the 8800GT and it's quite a bit more expensive then the Leadtek(+$100~$200) but how does the home user like myself know that he's not paying more for something that's not as good? So I guess my question is: How does the Asus compare with the Leadtek compare with Gigabyte compare with the XFX versions of the 8800?


Message edited by mongoose_za on 11-27-2007 at 07:01:36 AM
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Why isn't the 3850 listed as the best card for $150-$200. Toms even has a review on it!
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/1 [...] age20.html

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soloman02 wrote :

Why isn't the 3850 listed as the best card for $150-$200. Toms even has a review on it!
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/1 [...] age20.html



Mostly because it's a monthly article, and the last one was published before the 3x00 series was released.

Hold on Tex, wait for next month. :)

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Reply to Cleeve

It's up there now! :D

Which is useless to me - I've still got XP and an ancient CRT so ever if the 3850 went AGP it would still be overkill... and probably very pricey to boot. :sweat:

Until I finally build a new rig with PCIe and slap in a 8800GT (or 3870...) my best bet is a X1950GT... cheapish even for AGP but still good for some AA/AF at moderate resolutions on newish games. Give me some time to get together the cash for the new machine :wahoo:

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